Coping with Trolls and Derailers

[ElephantsAndMiasmas]

There have been some very persistent posters on here recently - some of them funny (unintentionally), and some of them not - dragging threads off track so we have to go back and explain something over and over again. I'm all for a lively debate, but there always comes a point when you realise that they are not listening at all, are on a blatant wind-up mission, or are just insulting posters with no intention of debating the original issues.

If we don't want this to happen, and bearing in mind that some people spot the pattern quicker than others, I was going to suggest that we have something like a warning word/phrase that could alert other posters to the fact that they are wasting their time. What do you think? Is this a stupid idea?

Saying "ah, a troll" just adds fuel to the fire you see. But if you were to say "I blame Princess Michael of Kent" or something, and then everyone disappears...well it might work?

In my experience those posters who falsely accuse decent and genuine posters of being "trolls" are much more malignant than benign fun loving jokers.

Are you having a laugh Lucinda?

I have literally never accused anyone of being a troll. But I don't call YDWTK a joker, unless the definition of joke has changed radically since I last looked.

Oh no. I was being quite sincere and serious.

Oh! Am I counted as a derailer because I fall under the FOSH monicker and posted some thoughts on Sebastian H? I am indeed a FOSH, but I wasn't ruining your thread surely? It was certainly not my intention. Not now, nor when I was first guided to the original discussion.

I was fascinated reading your opinions last week, over there, on the Smurthwaite funeral/protest debate. Forgive me for wanting to defend my dead friend Sebastian, a man who you've really gotten the wrong end of the stick about...I can't let that drop just yet.

Yes, he sometimes he wrote wildly misogynistic posts. I know I'll never persuade you that in reality he truly adored and respected women, whether they be prostitutes or not, most highly. I know you wont be moved from your intractible viewpoints, but if you did a bit more research you'll find the rest of what he wrote was also wildly misanthropic, deliberately provocative, and self deprecating. All he wanted was response, any response, from a generally insipid public...

And this is a public forum, right? Just because we don't agree with your views you would have us slung off the forum? That's just weird, insular and unfair.

It's the coroner's inquest tomorrow...won't tell us anything we didn't already know, but I will be there afterwards for his bereaved girlfriend, a woman very much loved by him and a woman who had a deep love for him. SH was not the monster some of you have portrayed him as.

I know i am Persona non grata here ..but excellent post RengetsuGirl!

I may be mistaken, but I do believe Lucinda's post was a singular subject reference.

"In my experience those posters who falsely accuse decent and genuine posters of being "trolls" are much more malignant than (they are) benign fun loving jokers."

I also should hope there is no need for me to point out the reversal, diversion and blaming subversion which followed paired with a dose of attempted self promotion as innocent. Were the singular subject interpretation correct, of course.

What a lovely post to read in the midst of the calm RengutsGirl. I do believe I have an admiration for the compassion and loyalty this person's friends have for them. And if these things these other people are saying are true, then I have even more admiration for them in having such compassion and care and willing to give dignity and hope to what has been made out to be such horrific 'claimed beasts'.

It is a character trait of Honor and Dignity, Wisdom and Compassion of deep and abiding strength to care and Love despite even horror and sadness.

Oh. And sloppy of me to be sure:

Denial of events.

Some people on some Forums wrongly accuse decent posters of being Trolls.

Some people call other posters "trolls" just because there is a clash of personality between them.

Slightreturn, why ARE you here?

I'm not saying you shouldn't be. I'm genuinely curious to know what you are getting out of it.

Do you mean why do i exist?.....i don't know really, haven't given it much thought?

I was here before..and ran the Feminist Gauntlet on the Sebasrtian Horsley thread. I read RengetsuGirl's post earlier and had to commend her on it.
Is that ok with you?

Anyone can post anything they want as far as I'm concerned.

I'm fully informed re the Horsley thread. Was just curious why you are choosing to remain on the feminist section of mumsnet, if you do not have some investment in feminism.

It interests me. But not much.

well as i said..i commented on RengetsuGirl's post ealier.......

Derailing for Dummies

slouchingtowardswaitrose..sorry was i meant to read that?

I love that link slouching

Paranoia based in repeating a question in different formats in an attempt to pressure a target to deliver a response different from what they have already stated. Attempting to identify personal information for use.

Character degrading foundations used as a basis to interject subversive accusations, blaming and manipulated peer pressure / tension.

I'm sure no-one gives a toss, after the chaos of the last few days on here, but I think in the end it has been a shake-up and good to think about what derailing/silencing means to different people, and how groups with strong opinions interact with each other. And in the end loads of new posters have come out of the woodwork so...good.

There's an end?

Think about it.

xox

all this chuff about who dat troll/derailer is detracting from spontaneous open discussion

has derailer became the new mn squawck of choice for the conspiracy theorists

You're a bit late SM, this thread was started last week, since when things have moved on. What conspiracy do you think I was theorising?

its a bloomin thread not supper invite.im not late at all

RIP Sebastian. Thanks to SL, BW and WSM. xx
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303824/Sebastian-Horsley-died-heroin-crack-overdose-celebrating-night-play.html

I'm a futile blast of colour in a futile colourless world, a very
artificial person. I regret everything. But so what? At least I have
cause. But now I'm a reconciled Sebastian. I can allow the arrows to
rest gently in my wounds...

Sebastian Horsley.. 8 August 1962 ? 17 June 2010...