TheShriekingHarpy et al.....Whats In It For You?

[frikonastick]

Can I just say very quickly, this isn?t a call out for an argument, I am genuinely asking a question of some of the posters here in the feminist section, and I promise my tone is not aggressive or sarcastic.

Ok, so what I am asking is, given this is a subsection of mumsnet for feminist issues/discussion etc, and given you don?t ascribe to being feminists or identifying with them, why do you post in here? I really am asking whats in it for you? I really don?t understand why any woman would feel the need to come onto the feminist section to be anything other than supportive to the feminist principles. After all, feminism as a movement can only BENEFIT women. Why wouldn?t that be something you are for?

Thanks in advance if y?all take the time to respond.

Frikonastick may not want them to post elsewhere, but that doesn't mean it hasn't come up

"I think I asked ShriekingHarpy to get Mumsnet to set up an antifeminist section. If I didn't say it, I definitely thought it. It would seem more appropriate than posting in here."

Again, another opinion. YOu don't have to agree with it

Perhaps what they get out of it is the cut and thrust of disagreement.

Or,if people pick up a thread from the Active page, they may not even notice it is in the Feminism section when they exercise their personal freedom and reply.

This is not unique to this section. You might as well say, why do people post on a breast feeding thread in support of bottle feeding.

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Oh and if an anti-feminist section is put up, do you think feminists should be allowed to post on it?

tempestes

i havent used anti feminist and non feminist as interchangeable terms.

in fact i have been very careful to say only NON feminist. not anti.

and i did say further up thread that "there may very well be parts of feminism that you do not agree with, that would not preclude you from calling yourself a feminist"

(although i note earwicga, that you did not congratulate me on my astute observation )

and thank you blackduck, i absolutely havent said that i dont want people here with dissenting views!

Sakura - Are you replying to me? I'm a little confused, I already don't agree with it

Lol Butterbur.

'You might as well say, why do people post on a breast feeding thread in support of bottle feeding.'

I'm certainly not brave enough to do that!

I used 'anti-feminist'. To be fair, I thought TSH did say she was an anti-feminist, but I may be wrong there.

Ah, now you're getting the hang of it tempestes

I'm aware of that frikonastick, was responding to other posters who had.

I can see why anyone would want to post in this section, male/female feminist or not, as it affects everyone (as it should)

You'll have to excuse me, I'm at the tail end of a 2 day migraine, so a bit fuzzy, but bored to death of lying in a dark room.

yes, tempestes, i see why you would want to enter into a debate about something, but not why you would be unsupportive/dismissive/derisory of something that only means BENEFIT to women (and by extention, everyone else). especially if you are in fact a woman yourself.

Well, it seems the consensus is that anybody can comment on a 'feminist thread'. That it is good that this section of Mumsnet isn't an echo chamber. Good.

I think that some things mentioned in this section aren't seen as beneficial by everyone, hence the posting by people that disagree.

unless someone takes it upon themself to deem the topic 'out of bounds for discussion'
Then you get problems...

of course anyone can comment earwicga, the question is what is the motivation behind comments that are clearly not supportive of feminism (as a whole, rather than sematicy bits of it), in the feminist section.

whats in it for the posters?

When you say the comments aren't supportive, do you mean they are saying women should be subordinate to men? Or have less rights?

Or is it on topics which are not universally agreed on, like porn?

nope, i mean the posts where rape statistics are called into question, and posters who insist that what you wear can prevent rape, despite being told a million times that isnt factually true.

sorry, this is actually more tricky than i thought it was going to be, as i really dont want to copy and paste from other threads into this one to 'prove' my point iyswim.

WRT pron, sorry, thats not a discussion i have been a part of before. but i dont imagine anyone is saying the porn industry is good for women are they?

god, sorry, porn even

Ah, that makes more sense. In which case I agree as the whole blaming the victim mentality is so incredibly harmful!

Porn is quite complicated TBH, too many variables. I can see both sides, but that's a whole other thread!

frikonastick - it's not bad form to post evidence to back up what you are saying. It's kinda necessary. You can do it with or without saying who you are quoting.

i really feel it wouldnt be right to cut and paste what posters have said in other threads earwicga.

i much prefer to have a direct dialogue with those posters who call themselves non feminists, rather than open up old comments of theirs in a new thread that they themselves havent actually posted in and may not be aware of.

as i said in the beginning im not trying to pick a fight and i know i would find it very aggressive if someone did that to me.

Fair enough frik, if all the evidence you are offering is your interpretation of unidentified comments then there is not much to go on.