Key feminist texts for me to read and leave lying about the house for dd?

[HRHQueenElizabethII]

Spurred on by musings from another thread: I've read almost no feminist writings, and was one of those women in my early 20s who rejected the term; through not understanding it.

I've been extraordinarily lucky - I've had strong female role models, but find myself more feminist than them, and have married a man who's clearly a "natural" feminist - though he hasn't read the literature either. But so much of what I read and see makes me want to buy some key texts, past and current, so that dd will have access to them as she grows up, and so understand the contexts and conditions which will influence the choices she makes in the future, and those made by people she comes into contact with.

Anyone fancy giving me a reading list?

of course it isn't luck
we are allowed to choose who we marry in this culture

i haven't read the female eunuch either
i thought you had read MOST though not just one?
i haven't

Well I do think that feminism is about women having the right to drink too much and shag lots if that;s a right that men have. Because it's wrong that men should have a right that women don't, end of. Having the right to do something doesn't mean you have to do it. And feminism to me also means that women have the same right to fuck up and make mistakes as men, without any mistake a woman makes being used to pillory her as an example of how 'feminism has gone too far'.
Oh and WRT books: Sara Paretsky's VI Warshawski novels are brilliant - very political and angry but also great to read, well plotted, well paced and exciting, and the politics don't get in the way of the stories. SUe Grafton's Kinsey Milhone (Alphabet) books are good too in that they have a central character who doesn't fanny around with her hair and make up or wait for a man to rescue her, who is an independent self-supporting woman who has adventures and also has friends and relationships.

lol...ahundredtimes...you can't possibly know which books i've read...impossible.

And daftpunk - you have answered NONE of my questions - I got a good degree, PhD, good jobs, then got married and had dd, continued with good job, share the load absolutely equally with dh. Why on earth should my dd expect any less for herself?

And no, I don't mean she has to get a PhD, blah blah, but that she has seen that her mother and father have achieved equally in one field of work.

DP I can make an educated guess though.

Daftpunk, it's certainly reasonable to say that your "wide reading" is not al all reflected in your posting style.

You know, if this is a wind-up, it's a pretty fucking wanky one "oh, ho ho ho, your dd will end up a domestic drudge. isn't that just hilarious".

frannyandzooey;

do you want me to go back over this thread and list the books i've read?...is that what you want?....

maybe i should just rip out my soul and give it to you on a plate..

hahaha QE;

i bet my marriage will last longer than most peoples on this thread

Daftpunk. Right - you've made your point. This thread is a hiding to nothing.

Would you mind now leaving me to my fool's errand, unless you've anything constructive to add?

Thanks.

So, daftpunk, you can tell how long others' marriages will last, yet they can't make an accurate guess at what you have read?

Utter tosh.

Oh, just piss off. So what if you stay a domestic drudge for 50 years - should we hold a fucking parade for you?

Daft Punk thinks that Feminism = hairy.
No doubt about it.

Do you think your marriage will last longer because you expect less and know your place?

If that is the case, then not sure this is something to be proud of tbh.

I mean there are long marriages, and then there are long marriages

"do you want me to go back over this thread and list the books i've read?...is that what you want?....

maybe i should just rip out my soul and give it to you on a plate.."

LOLOL
does what you post normally make more sense than this?
i don't get out onto the wider world of MN much these days and have possibly missed some gems lately

anyway

no daftpunk
i don't think that would be likely to be any more edifying than the rest of your posts on here
but thankyou for the offer

God, I'm surprisingly upset by all this; just seems so bonkers, but daftpunk's assertions about MY dd's future are so fucking galling.

Think I'd better leave this thread till the dust has settled - am unnerved by how this has got to me!

QE;...i will leave your thread if that's what you want...i'm sorry if i've annoyed you..ok..(really)

That looks interesting Dittany, thank you. It's good to get back to the books a bit more - I was thoroughly enjoying this thread.

For me, feminism is about choices - we can choose to be whatever we want and need to be, which is what I want for my 3 DDs and my DS. And choice is something too many of our mothers and grandmothers didn't have. For many men, social class was another factor in limiting life choices.

More reading - Vera Brittain Testament of Youth, and Testament of Experience - still well worth anyone's time to read.

HRH, I wouldnt worry too much
"I bet my marriage will last longer..."
thus daftpunk dismisses a century of feminism. Yes, lets give up having the vote and going to uni, who needs all that claptrap anyway.

A lot of the books people mention here, I never thought of as feminist texts. Just texts that talk about women as they are.

If you want to make your dd a feminist, I agree with giving her some sexist texts, and saying "this is how men and some women wrote/spoke about women when your grandmother was a child / when I was a child"

can i just quickly sneak in to reply to dittany;

dittany..i've read 4 of the books listed on this thread...so maybe "pretty much" all of them was a slight exaggration.....i was giving myself some poetic licence to prove my point.