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The Chalet School 2 - Still talking about it a century later!

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ShellacB · 03/09/2026 22:15

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Shellityhorn · 14/10/2026 08:47

Gremlinsateit · 14/10/2026 08:17

@JoanOgden the delicate Robin makes me v cross from a modern medicine perspective. Her mother has died from TB so they are concerned that she’ll grow up to have TB. Therefore they have her brought up a TB sanatorium, socialising with the families of active cases, with no infection control, and none of the real life post-war developments in TB treatment. Then, after doing pretty much everything they can to give her TB, they tell her she’s too fragile to have children and has to be a nun 🙄

And Joey fumes when Joyce Linton, who has literally just travelled across Europe with her active-TB case mother (clearly infectious in that she was advised by her doctor while still in England to avoid public gatherings) doesn’t kiss the Robin good night just after she arrives at Die Rosen!

Basic common sense suggests the Lintons shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near her. Or indeed that they shouldn’t have then attended a boarding school full of fragile girls who also have immediate family in the San!

Surely EBD must have understood infection?

Gremlinsateit · 14/10/2026 09:24

I’m not sure she did. Joey in so much trouble, and having to have The Red Sarafan sung to her, for going outside in the cold for a minute, on the one hand; and on the other hand, that great cast of characters going back and forth from the school to the San, living at the San as children, and being hospitalised there for back injuries … it hardly bears thinking about!

SockQueen · 14/10/2026 09:33

All the lashings of (probably) unpasteurised Alpine milk that is a key part of the Chalet School diet might not have helped with the TB situation either - transmission of bovine TB in milk was another significant route of infection.

Then again, at other times she describes outbreaks of infections within the school which quite realistically take down half the girls and staff and leave the others struggling to manage. I think there's influenza at least once, German measles, and jaundice (?hepatitis A or something like that). Pre-vaccinations, I can imagine how they could spread like wildfire through a school.

Shellityhorn · 14/10/2026 09:52

Gremlinsateit · 14/10/2026 09:24

I’m not sure she did. Joey in so much trouble, and having to have The Red Sarafan sung to her, for going outside in the cold for a minute, on the one hand; and on the other hand, that great cast of characters going back and forth from the school to the San, living at the San as children, and being hospitalised there for back injuries … it hardly bears thinking about!

It just seems weird that she wouldn’t have understood TB’s infectiousness, given her date of birth alone (and Googling suggests historically high rates of TB in South Shields) ! I grew up in Ireland where it was a serious, endemic problem in the first half of the 20thc, particularly in poor, overcrowded areas, and where there was considerable social stigma, as it was seen as a disease of poverty — my parents (now in their 80s) remember those visiting people in TB sanatoria getting off the bus at a different stop and walking back because of the stigma.

In the 40s and 50s, getting a coveted civil service job required a chest x-ray screening! We all still got the BCG vaccine and boosters as a matter of course in the 70s and 80s in my schooldays. It was in many ways the AIDS of its day.

I get that EBD’s TB sufferers are upper-middle and upper-class, and she seems to be leaning into the 19thc stereotype of ‘consumption’ involving ‘delicacy’ etc, but it seems strange she doesn’t depict basic anti-infection measures.

Actually — does EBD depict any men with TB (other than the nameless man who ‘falls asleep to wake with God’?)? It just occurs to me that literally every family member I can think of at the San is female…? I suppose Jem or Jack being infected wouldn’t have suited her heroic doctors narrative, but historically, not surprisingly, the staff of sanatoria did get TB from constant exposure to airborne droplets, or were often recruited from people who’d already had TB.

sueelleker · 14/10/2026 09:55

EllieQ · 14/10/2026 08:39

Robin’s story does sound ridiculous when it’s set out so clearly!

I have started to wonder how much longer the Sanatorium associated with the school would stay open, given that Prefects is set in 1958. A quick google suggests that TB was being treated by drugs by the 1960s, and presumably the Sanatoriums would have closed in the years that followed - the one in my city closed in the mid-70s. I haven’t read any of the follow-on books - is this covered in any of them?

I remember at least one book that mentions they're switching to cancer research. Can't remember which one though.

Gremlinsateit · 14/10/2026 10:02

@Shellityhorn in one of the La Rochelle books - or maybe it just has some of those characters - there’s a young landed gentleman who comes home from Switzerland to die nobly surrounded by his people.

DeanElderberry · 14/10/2026 10:16

Heather Leaves School.

Alured something (?Saxon). Leaves all his money to Heather Raphael. I enjoy that book, but looked with clear non EBD-dazzled eyes it's an odd tale of romanticised mega rich. Janie visits for Christmas and is given a very expensive dressing-case full of yellow-enameled stuff.

Shellityhorn · 14/10/2026 10:25

Gremlinsateit · 14/10/2026 10:02

@Shellityhorn in one of the La Rochelle books - or maybe it just has some of those characters - there’s a young landed gentleman who comes home from Switzerland to die nobly surrounded by his people.

I think I've only read one of the La Rochelle books, and clearly not that one!

I'm imagining Jack getting TB from his work at the San, and Joey having to cope, nurse and support him -- only of course EBD would simply never have contemplated that plotline, because doctors are invincible in the CS universe. And if she did contemplate it it, it would be just that Jack had a shadow on his lung that turned out to be nothing, but it would give adult Joey a 'crisis' plot like when Robin had periods of being 'extra-delicate', when she got to be melodramatic and strained, and everyone cosseted her.

Maybe she could sing 'The Red Sarafan' under his San balcony. Grin

TinselAngel · 14/10/2026 16:56

Antimimisti · 14/10/2026 07:54

Those two go for upwards of £30 even in paperback so definitely worth selling (or if you donate them to charity, let them know their value so they get the benefit).

Where is the best place to sell them?

JoanOgden · 14/10/2026 17:58

There are several examples of the CS facing viral epidemic illness (whooping cough etc) and EBD does seem to understand that - the staff ask who has had it already, divide the girls based on symptoms and likelihood of exposure, protect the vulnerable ones etc.

TB is more complicated, of course. By the time of the CS it was known that it was caused by Koch's bacillus and typically spread in overcrowded, insanitary conditions, but it still had a lot of cultural baggage around it, and EBD frequently refers to it as the "white man's plague" though it obviously was not race-specific in any ways.

Thomas Dormandy's The White Death and John Green's Everything Is Tuberculosis are really interesting on both the medical and cultural history of TB.

DuneFan · 14/10/2026 20:49

Yes, I'm currently reading Does it Again where they all have "48 hour flu" and there's definitely good awareness of isolation etc.

It has made me wonder whether this is what we now call a sickness bug, or the Americans call "stomach flu", and I've been musing on the risks and potential horrors of an outbreak of D&V at the school. A bit like on a cruise ship, there would be no escape!

TinselAngel · 14/10/2026 21:14

DuneFan · 14/10/2026 20:49

Yes, I'm currently reading Does it Again where they all have "48 hour flu" and there's definitely good awareness of isolation etc.

It has made me wonder whether this is what we now call a sickness bug, or the Americans call "stomach flu", and I've been musing on the risks and potential horrors of an outbreak of D&V at the school. A bit like on a cruise ship, there would be no escape!

Particularly as there are no toilets at the CS.

Katrinawaves · 14/10/2026 21:16

TinselAngel · 14/10/2026 21:14

Particularly as there are no toilets at the CS.

What makes the splash in the splasheries then? 😜

DuneFan · 14/10/2026 21:21

TinselAngel · 14/10/2026 21:14

Particularly as there are no toilets at the CS.

Exactly!

JoanOgden · 14/10/2026 21:21

TinselAngel · 14/10/2026 21:14

Particularly as there are no toilets at the CS.

Fortunately this doesn't matter since, despite imbibing vast quantities of food and drink, the girls never need to relieve themselves Grin

When I was a child reading Eustacia I always used to wonder what they did when staying in the mountain hut. These days I realise that there would have been a very basic convenience round the back. But when they get stuck on the coach overnight in the middle of a flood in The New Chalet School what on earth would they have done? I'm sure there wouldn't have been a loo on the coach in those days.

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2026 21:39

And no Chalet School girl has periods. Or probably even grows breasts, come to think of it.

Shellityhorn · 14/10/2026 21:50

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2026 21:39

And no Chalet School girl has periods. Or probably even grows breasts, come to think of it.

Indeed. Perhaps a doctor has to cast on eye on them and decide ‘what he wants’ for them to grow secondary sexual characteristics.😃

Though I’ve also always wondered about Lawrie Marlow, aged 14 and a half, but who is able to fit into an 11 year old boy’s money costume well enough to be indistinguishable from him as long as the head is on — even if we assume the twins’ early delicacy kept them comparatively small and thin!

JoanOgden · 14/10/2026 21:52

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2026 21:39

And no Chalet School girl has periods. Or probably even grows breasts, come to think of it.

Jo and Madge do breast feed, though - there are quite a lot of slightly coded references to it, like when Miss Bubb won't let Jo go to feed Stephen in Gay from China. And in Go to It there is a reference to Jo having to "cast" the triplets, which I have never encountered elsewhere but presumably means wean.

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2026 22:03

JoanOgden · 14/10/2026 21:52

Jo and Madge do breast feed, though - there are quite a lot of slightly coded references to it, like when Miss Bubb won't let Jo go to feed Stephen in Gay from China. And in Go to It there is a reference to Jo having to "cast" the triplets, which I have never encountered elsewhere but presumably means wean.

Yes, but that’s once they’re married women.

If any Chalet girl had big breasts it would have been Joan Baker.

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2026 22:05

Oops. I was saying that Jo & Madge were married women & that if any Chalet girl had noticeable norkage it would have been Joan Baker.

Shellityhorn · 14/10/2026 22:22

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2026 22:03

Yes, but that’s once they’re married women.

If any Chalet girl had big breasts it would have been Joan Baker.

That’s what ‘big Joan Baker’ means.

Antimimisti · 14/10/2026 22:45

TinselAngel · 14/10/2026 16:56

Where is the best place to sell them?

I'd say eBay.

IthinkIsawahairbrushbackthere · 14/10/2026 22:55

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2026 21:39

And no Chalet School girl has periods. Or probably even grows breasts, come to think of it.

I assumed that a "Bouncing Bet" would be a busty young lady.

SockQueen · 14/10/2026 23:26

IthinkIsawahairbrushbackthere · 14/10/2026 22:55

I assumed that a "Bouncing Bet" would be a busty young lady.

Isn't that how Margot is described when Joey first goes to meet her in Canada? When she would only be about 10, I think?

IthinkIsawahairbrushbackthere · 14/10/2026 23:34

Yes, that's right. I think someone else is described as a Bouncing Bet later on as well. And Anna is described as "buxom" in Exile.