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Mills & Boon - just loaned my first one from the library

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SecondUsername4me · 30/01/2024 19:17

I've only ever heard women I know read these who are 60+ so I'm not sure if it's a sign that I'm ageing prematurely (35) or just because I'm looking for quick reads and the walls of books at the library are overwhelming to sift through.

Any good? Are they still writing them? If I enjoy them is it feasible to read the back catalogue?

I've been through the Richard & Judy Book Club back catalogue and am fully up to date on the Reese Witherspoon Book Club back catalogue, so looking for another stack to work through.

Any particularly good stories I should look out for?

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Garlickit · 01/02/2024 14:28

ICutYourNameInMyHeart · 01/02/2024 14:22

I had forgotten about that, "his silken length slid into her feminine core"

😂😂😂

OMG! 🤣🤣

PudgeControlsTheWeather · 01/02/2024 14:39

LOVE M&B. Got hooked on Betty Neels years ago and I haven't looked back.

I like the medical imprint and Cherish. I have read some of the Love Inspired (chaste) stuff and I've read some of the spicier stuff, too.

I find Sarah Morgan's M&B very good. They're often quite funny.

reesewithoutaspoon · 01/02/2024 14:49

OMG don't leave me hanging. I'm invested in Catriona now, you can't stop.

TheGirlWhoLived · 01/02/2024 14:49

Nora Robert’s does a fun series called the Macgregor Brides I think. There’s lots of fun tartan and everyone links with everyone else!

mills and boon are my absolute guilty pleasure.
Man (or often a cowboy!) meets woman
They have some sort of small altercation or mini fight
Woman gets stuck in snowstorm/ car rolls into a ditch/ falls and turns her ankle on the bridge/ other small accident etc.
Obviously devilishly handsome man comes to save the day! They realise the error of their ways and she has a wild time with his throbbing member

bryceQ · 01/02/2024 14:51

God I love the historical ones. Been reading for years and I'm around your age. Fantastically rubbish 😂

Zapss · 01/02/2024 14:52

He took a moment to admire her upturned apple cheeks, before smothering them in manly kisses.

Lollypop701 · 01/02/2024 15:00

I loved them when I was younger! I remember an American girl with a big family… probably orphaned … but main memory is her reference to his tally wacker 😂 bloody fabulous

Mollyplop999 · 01/02/2024 15:01

Manicule highlandcoo loving this!! Especially the "shaved cheeks" 😂

TipulophobiaIsReal · 01/02/2024 15:05

Shadowssang · 01/02/2024 12:26

By the way the nonfiction book “Beyond Heaving Bosoms” is very good on explaining why readers are encouraged to mock and despise popular fiction written by women for women, but popular fiction by men for men is admired and seen as having literary value even where it’s about torture / murder / child abuse etc.

I haven't read that, and it sounds interesting and worth exploring, but there are definitely genres primarily written by men for men (or perceived as such) that get mocked, and whose readers are scorned. Science fiction, graphic novels and comics, westerns, spy thrillers… perhaps not as much as full-on Mills and Boon style romance novellas, that's true, but when I go in my local charity shop and look at the two bookcases full of popular fiction, one all muted covers and full of Andy McNab (or whoever's popular now) and the other more brightly coloured and full of Marian Keyes, the presentation looks pretty much equivalent to me in terms of apparent "literary value". (Though I do roll my eyes a bit at the weird gendered segregation in the first place.)

Yeah, there are "literary" books about torture, murder, and child abuse, and I've read some excellent ones, but there are also excellent literary books about romance, love and sex. And trashy entertainment books about both. The main readers and many of the writers of gruesome crime novels are women, too.

I'd have to read the book you mention for myself, if I wanted to evaluate the strength of the arguments that equally un-literary popular writing is considered automatically more prestigious if it's in a perceived "by men, for men" genre, but I certainly don't think it's so obviously true that it doesn't need a good argument.

The other factor is that women read a LOT more fiction than men do. This Yougov survey https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/28243-world-book-day-britons-reading-habits] from 2020 says:

27% of women read daily, compared to a 13% of men
22% of men say they never read, but only 12% of women say they never read
(And this is despite the fact that men tend to have more leisure time, on average, than women…)

42% of women prefer fiction, but only 29% of men prefer fiction
24% of men prefer non-fiction, but only 16% of women prefer non-fiction

So it would make sense that if women just get through a lot more fiction than men do, they're likely to get through a lot of whatever genre they read, and there's more of a market for mass-produced, enjoyable but ultimately not particularly unique books. There simply aren't that many men getting through dozens of novels of their preferred genre every year, as one of their main forms of recreation or relaxation, in the way many women do, so perhaps there's never been the opportunity or market to allow for a similar phenomenon to M&B to arise for a primarily male readership. (Somebody's got to be buying all those train magazines, though… Grin)

Anyway, even if men didn't have the ability to laugh at themselves, that doesn't mean women can't! Everyone here is, I think, ribbing the M&B style in an affectionate, good-humoured way (though some do also have serious and valid criticism about aspects like the romanticisation of rape in some of them), without belittling the readers — which, after all, we all must have been at some point (or still are), for there to be any fun in trying to ape the style. Ignoring male denigration for a minute, though of course it does exist (cf. the poster upthread who was accused of having read too many M&B, for a start), this kind of gentle, affectionate fun-poking is a part of this country's female humour culture, and I'd be sad to lose it.

Lollypop701 · 01/02/2024 15:09

A loud expletive left his mouth, as he hastily opened the buttons on his stained shirt, revealing an expanse of muscled chest… her eyes were drawn to the taunt stomach and the line of hair at the top of the leather belt…

her hastily drawn in breath raised a chuckle from him, and she raised her heavenly lashed lids to meets his. blushing furiously she uttered a stuttered apology. ‘I’m so very sorry, what can I do? Can I get you another shirt sir? Is there a store nearby?

he smiled wickedly… ‘ I’m sure I can think of something you can do to make this up to me, maybe dinner tonight’

Comefromaway · 01/02/2024 15:12

There is always a massive power imbalance isn't there? Young or junior woman feels she can't say no to powerful boss.

highlandcoo · 01/02/2024 15:26

" Well that's what I call making an entrance" came the deep, amused voice from above as Catriona, mortified, scrabbled beneath him gathering up coffee cup and handbag, while ineffectually dabbing with a tissue at the damp patch of spilled coffee which was seeping relentlessly across the expensive office carpet.
She hardly dared to look up, however when she tilted her head, she was relieved to see the corners of her new boss's mouth twitching into an indulgent grin.
"Just as well I have my sports bag with me today," he commented drily. "Excuse me won't you while I slip into something more comfortable.." and with that he headed towards his office, calling over his shoulder to the girl on reception:
"Janie, could you arrange for the carpet to be cleaned please and after that could you show our new recruit the ropes? And stand well clear of her if there are any liquids involved," he added with a smile.
"Of course," the receptionist assented, glancing at Catriona coolly with a distinct lack of enthusiasm for the task.
Still flushed with embarrassment, Catriona trotted after Janie, uncomfortably aware that just a thin partition wall away, thanks to her clumsiness, her new boss was divesting himself of his designer suit and shirt.
"Idiot!" she remonstrated with herself. Thank goodness he had responded to her accident with good humour. From now on she would be nothing but professional in all her dealings with him, she resolved.

beigerage · 01/02/2024 15:30

They say you can't write a M&B cynically; you have to be genuine and take it seriously and, to be fair, I don't think my friend and I really were

^^ This. I've known a fair few friends who've had a good laugh at M&B's 'formulas' and claimed they could churn one out in a weekend, and then admitted they'd never even read one themselves. While the structures are formulaic, the emotions have to feel genuine, and you have to believe in them: if you're inwardly chortling at the stupidity of readers longing to escape to a different world, it leaks into the book. The good M&B writers are v skilled storytellers. It's actually pretty challenging to create something fresh out of such well-worn tropes, within a rigid word count, in a closely defined genre, for very knowledgeable/picky readers - and then write three more before the end of the year. (See also, short stories vs novels - look easy because 'short', turns out to be quite hard to do well.)

highlandcoo · 01/02/2024 15:31

Oops sorry x-post @Lollypop701 !

You can see I was going for the more innocent version whereas you're not beating about the bush so to speak Grin

Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 01/02/2024 15:48

My dear mum was addicted to m&b. Was my guilty pleasure as a teen. They were a lot less Racy then.

PollyPeep · 01/02/2024 15:49

Loving the Choose Your Own Adventure emerging! Now that's a gap in the M&B market...

TipulophobiaIsReal · 01/02/2024 15:51

Manicule · 01/02/2024 12:12

Next morning dawned bright and crisp and, determined to make the right, business-like impression, Catriona dressed soberly in a well-cut yet understated white blouse and fluid black skirt whose lines merely hinted at the shapeliness of her naturally-rangy figure. She chose to subdue her curls in a knot at the nape of her neck and was giving Tiger a final, extra-special fuss when her eyes slid to the clock and she realised in alarm that she stood a good chance of being late. On her first day!
But to contemplate work without coffee was unthinkable - flying from the car, she just had enough time to swoop into the tiny, artisan roastery next door to the office and emerged, triumphant, with her favourite flat white. A final dash through the gracious entrance-way of Smotherington-Cliff, Carstairs and Plumpton and…..
’Oh no!’
The anguished cry escaped her involuntarily as she, the coffee-cup - and, most humiliatingly, the coffee - made sudden impact with the very solid form of her new boss. The hot liquid was everywhere - all over his immaculate shirt-front, what looked like a very expensive hand-made suit, and even splashing his perfectly-shaved cheeks.

(NB the cheeks of his FACE, obvs. It’s not that naughty. Yet 😬)

As with so many things in life, I find myself asking, "How would Captain Picard deal with this?"

And suddenly, every other man falls short.

(I'm not even into men. But if I had to pick one, it would be Captain Picard.)

Hot Chocolate on the Captain's Uniform | Star Trek: The Next Generation - Q Who?

https://youtu.be/ARk0XvAYrUg?si=clQXRxz0fYbhe8aX

Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 01/02/2024 15:55

Shadowssang · 01/02/2024 12:15

I’ve been reading them since I was 15 :)

Something I noticed early on is that each month M&B seemed to publish two well written ones and two badly written ones (which implied to me that M&B) knew perfectly well the quality of their various authors).

What’s your favourite subgenre? I can recommend regency or medieval romance but don’t know the other genres well.

From my mum's library I loved Betty Neels, a load of stories with the first couple as central, she was a m&b cliche virgin, he was a Dutch surgeon blinded by the nazis in one eye (bit troubling in a surgeon), then there was a conductor, all set in Amsterdam

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 01/02/2024 15:56

I know a fair few M&B authors. They work just as hard on writing their novels as any other author does. Yes, there is a certain amount of predictability, but that is why they are such a comfort read for many.

Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 01/02/2024 16:00

Manicule · 01/02/2024 12:37

I read dozens and dozens when I was trying to write them, and there were some authors who were really good writers and swept you along in a believable narrative. Others, not so much.

It was the arrival of blatant raunchiness/sex in M & B that made me lose interest, I think. I preferred the more old-fashioned ones with just some discreet bedroom activity. Ones that were more of a relationship build-up.

There had to be a handsome but stern lead male, if widowed with either adorable or troubled child. An evil ex with designs on him. Last few pages they would discreetly retire so he could "introduce her to the woman inside."

cheshiregal31 · 01/02/2024 16:46

I've not read these for years. Loved them. Such a guilty pleasure.
I'm going to download one now and read it

Lollypop701 · 01/02/2024 17:07

highlandcoo · 01/02/2024 15:31

Oops sorry x-post @Lollypop701 !

You can see I was going for the more innocent version whereas you're not beating about the bush so to speak Grin

😂 old school mills and boon vs new style mills n boon perhaps ! Although I’ll leave it to someone else to write the caressing glances, bruising kisses, the liquid core/silken sheath chapter 😂

MissMarplesNiece · 01/02/2024 17:12

My aunt had a subscription and got a parcel of M&B each month. They came from her to my mum & gran, to me and my sister (we were young teenagers) then back to my aunt who lent them out to neighbours. We looked forward to the new ones arriving.

I remember my aunt complaining that they were getting too suggestive - that was back in the 1970s. I haven't read one since then, maybe it's time I tried one again.

LenaLamont · 01/02/2024 17:21

My gran read one a week every week and she had barely any free time.

When I was a young teen, she borrowed all my Sweet Dreams romances.

Manicule · 01/02/2024 19:03

@PudgeControlsTheWeather @Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride I got absolutely HOOKED on dear Betty Neels for a while as all her books featured large girls - usually nurses - who liked their food, and were invited to keep house/become governesses for motherless children/marry (delete as applicable) by the love interest. Yes, her heroes were all gigantic Dutch surgeons called things like Duert ter Laan Luitinga, who had comparable calorie intakes to the heroine and thought nothing of polishing off a plate of buttered scones in the (very short) interval between a titanic breakfast and an equally substantial lunch.

I used to read passages out loud to DH when the food intake just got too incredible and I’m afraid laughter was indulged in 🫢

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