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Is being Obese an illness?

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agel · 18/10/2026 16:15

Yes or No
Im really not trying to start an argument. I want to understand what people actually think/know/believe about this.

I am obese and am trying to gain some sort of control over my eating through therapy at the moment. I’ve tried diets and exercising that do work but long term I don’t seem to be able to change my lifestyle enough to keep the weight off. I hate living like this and how people treat me differently because of my size. My family don’t understand at all. My partner is not understanding and it’s seriously affecting our relationship in many ways. It seems unfair because I don’t feel I have much control over this. It’s actually very lonely being in this situation. I rarely mention the topic of my health or weight to others because pardon the pun it’s always the elephant in the room! But you can almost hear what people are thinking. I hate the judgemental looks and comments. I rarely go out now because of anxiety and panic attacks brought on by this situation.

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OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 16:22

ExpectMore · Yesterday 16:11

You’re missing the point. The fix isn’t the handing out of more leaflets. I don’t believe any leaflets are necessary as the knowledge should be basic (and at least in the uk is taught in every school). It’s back to the simple concept of application. So actually eating healthily and moving more (in most cases).

From a solutions perspective, there’s maybe merit in considering not funding any obesity caused illnesses or injuries but that would be hard in practice from a determination perspective.

Out of interest, aside from expending even more money on jabs, what’s your solution?

* So actually eating healthily and moving more*

Right, so HOW do you make this happen in today's world? It is so frustrating having this back and forth in which you miss the point every time.

Are you suggesting we better regulate food corporations, ban UPFs, improve public transport, bring back green spaces and playgrounds? I'd like to see that! Don't know if it's a cheaper option, but there are plenty of supportive social and environmental factors that could change. I am sure it would have at least some measure of success in preventing obesity, if you could actually enact it (and I would love to know how you think that might take place in reality!)

However, obese people currently exist in large numbers and if you were the tiniest bit informed on this stuff then you would know that once a person is obese, metabolic changes take place in their body causing it to become a chronic, relapsing and almost irreversible state. You can look that up to understand it. For these people, medication is going to be necessary to correct the issue. I beg you to go and read about that and try to comprehend it.

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 16:26

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Well, I never used formula for my babies because I considered breastfeeding the easy option actually. I didn't want to faff around sterilising bottles, I didn't want to pay for formula - seemed like a whole lot of hard work compared to something I could roll over in bed to do without thinking. I think there are many reasons women ff - lack of support, lack of maternity leave (thinking specifically in the US), social stigma and pressure from others - loads of factors, but none of them to do with maternal laziness.

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 16:30

From a solutions perspective, there’s maybe merit in considering not funding any obesity caused illnesses or injuries but that would be hard in practice from a determination perspective.

Well it's not a solution then is it? So a pretty pointless perspective don't you think? Leaving aside the ethics, you admit yourself it's completely fucking impractical and couldn't possibly work. So, do you have anything from a 'solutions perspective'?

ExpectMore · Yesterday 16:35

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 16:13

Have you considered offering your advisory services to the WHO? Because this is what they have to say about obesity:
Obesity is a chronic disease affecting 1.1 billion people worldwide (1).It is driven by complex interactions between environmental, social, biological and behavioural determinants. You'll notice @ExpectMore that the very first sentence there defines obesity as a disease. You'll notice that it's considered a complex issue. You might concede that perhaps it can't be solved by someone on Mumsnet declaring that everyone should just eat less and move more without proffering any suggestions as to how this can be achieved across the world in the face of all the things that have changed in the past fifty years. Of course, there is now a way that obese people can be successfully helped to eat less and move more, and that's GLP-1 medication. But apparently you think that's the lazy solution and you would prefer that we instead stick with a strategy that isn't working. Or else invent time travel and go back to the days before widespread obesity and, apparently, infant formula too because there is definitely no need for that. We are all so fortunate that you stopped by to offer your pearls of wisdom on this thread. So helpful!https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and-overweight

You’re missing the point by being too blunt.

I acknowledged it’s a disease. If you review the definition of disease you’ll understand why.

I wouldn’t want to charge WHO for pointing out the obvious. Besides, I’d like to think our national representatives should already be doing this.

Formula has its place. The issue is too many use out it outwith that case to the detriment of their kids.

I had a depressing conversation with a health visitor last week who noted that everytime another misinformed influencer spread crap on the likes of TikTok they saw a marked drop off in breastfeeding levels that they were continuously having to push.

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 16:38

ExpectMore · Yesterday 16:35

You’re missing the point by being too blunt.

I acknowledged it’s a disease. If you review the definition of disease you’ll understand why.

I wouldn’t want to charge WHO for pointing out the obvious. Besides, I’d like to think our national representatives should already be doing this.

Formula has its place. The issue is too many use out it outwith that case to the detriment of their kids.

I had a depressing conversation with a health visitor last week who noted that everytime another misinformed influencer spread crap on the likes of TikTok they saw a marked drop off in breastfeeding levels that they were continuously having to push.

You’re missing the point by being too blunt.

I mean, I'm not the person advocating for denial of medical treatment to fat people or claiming that there was no problem in infant feeding before the invention of formula milk.

So you acknowledge obesity is a disease but you would still like to continue to tackle it via strategies that are proven not to solve the crisis.

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 16:41

I'm sure I'll be back to this later because I lack the willpower (ha!) to stay away from idiotic rage bait but I do have to leave it there for a while.

ExpectMore · Yesterday 16:44

SilenceInside · Yesterday 16:15

"From a solutions perspective, there’s maybe merit in considering not funding any obesity caused illnesses or injuries but that would be hard in practice from a determination perspective." - I mean, you are definitely not debating this seriously with suggestions like this. It's rage-baiting.

What makes you think so?

Something drastic has to be done and it needs to be something that cause people to think and take accountability over their own choices.

ExpectMore · Yesterday 16:49

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 16:22

* So actually eating healthily and moving more*

Right, so HOW do you make this happen in today's world? It is so frustrating having this back and forth in which you miss the point every time.

Are you suggesting we better regulate food corporations, ban UPFs, improve public transport, bring back green spaces and playgrounds? I'd like to see that! Don't know if it's a cheaper option, but there are plenty of supportive social and environmental factors that could change. I am sure it would have at least some measure of success in preventing obesity, if you could actually enact it (and I would love to know how you think that might take place in reality!)

However, obese people currently exist in large numbers and if you were the tiniest bit informed on this stuff then you would know that once a person is obese, metabolic changes take place in their body causing it to become a chronic, relapsing and almost irreversible state. You can look that up to understand it. For these people, medication is going to be necessary to correct the issue. I beg you to go and read about that and try to comprehend it.

No, I’m not suggesting the government has even more intervention in people’s lives. It shouldn’t need government to regulate foodstuffs, for example, for people with sovereignty over their own life choices to make sensible choices when it comes to what they eat and how they live their lives.

The issue is at present, there’s no immediate short-term or longer term consequence for those that don’t make the right choices and even the knowledge that their health is at risk doesn’t seem to change those behaviours.

So perhaps solutions that make the consequences more personal and near-term (like paying for self-induced medical costs) are part of the solution.

Many won’t like it for I suspect emotive reasons but logically there’s no argument against it if you believe people have the right to choose and are sovereign enough to choose (which every adult is the uk is deemed to be evidenced by the fact every adult has a vote and power of decision making over themselves).

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 16:57

ExpectMore · Yesterday 16:01

Yes I have and it boils down to people not eating healthily (as you point to in your post re. Addictive snacks) and being active enough.

can look for excuses or complicating factors all we wish but when you get to the crux of it you’ll note those 2 specific points.

No one is denying that calories in calories out determines weight but you seem not to be understanding is not just a disease but a public health issue. The WHO define it as being driven by complex interactions between environmental, social, biological and behavioural determinants. Like no shit it's about healthy eating and moving but we have some pretty enormous societal influences such as a food industry originally brought out by Philip Morris International who were unethical enough to facilitate addiction to smoking. The food environment and socioeconomic factors cannot be ignored. Like, alcoholism comes down to a person drinking alcohol but no one is narrow minded enough to think that understanding and recovery are simply down to the person not drinking.
I'm starting to think you just don't have the intellectual ability to understand this. And that honestly isn't meant to be an attack I just can't fathom how else you could remain so ignorant in an environment of such a vast amount of information available to educate you.

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 17:02

ExpectMore · Yesterday 16:49

No, I’m not suggesting the government has even more intervention in people’s lives. It shouldn’t need government to regulate foodstuffs, for example, for people with sovereignty over their own life choices to make sensible choices when it comes to what they eat and how they live their lives.

The issue is at present, there’s no immediate short-term or longer term consequence for those that don’t make the right choices and even the knowledge that their health is at risk doesn’t seem to change those behaviours.

So perhaps solutions that make the consequences more personal and near-term (like paying for self-induced medical costs) are part of the solution.

Many won’t like it for I suspect emotive reasons but logically there’s no argument against it if you believe people have the right to choose and are sovereign enough to choose (which every adult is the uk is deemed to be evidenced by the fact every adult has a vote and power of decision making over themselves).

Oh god i didn't stay away twenty minutes and I really need to as I actually have stuff I should be doing.

The short and long term consequence is being fat. Which people don't enjoy, and causes them pain and suffering and inconvenience, you absolute buffoon. Followed by potentially other severe health problems. And why shouldn't there be societal remedies to a problem that you acknowledge yourself has exploded due to societal changes?

'Many won't like it' not for emotive reasons but because you aren't actually engaging with reality and suggesting anything helpful. This isn't about hurt feelings but about you spouting absolutely pointless drivel with zero practical application and limited understanding of the words you attempt to use (sovereignty? Really?)

Anyway, since you do grasp that adults can make their own decisions why don't you accept they can choose to pay for weight loss medication as their solution to their own personal obesity? Almost everyone taking it is self funding. So why would you have a problem with that?

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 17:58

ExpectMore · Yesterday 16:49

No, I’m not suggesting the government has even more intervention in people’s lives. It shouldn’t need government to regulate foodstuffs, for example, for people with sovereignty over their own life choices to make sensible choices when it comes to what they eat and how they live their lives.

The issue is at present, there’s no immediate short-term or longer term consequence for those that don’t make the right choices and even the knowledge that their health is at risk doesn’t seem to change those behaviours.

So perhaps solutions that make the consequences more personal and near-term (like paying for self-induced medical costs) are part of the solution.

Many won’t like it for I suspect emotive reasons but logically there’s no argument against it if you believe people have the right to choose and are sovereign enough to choose (which every adult is the uk is deemed to be evidenced by the fact every adult has a vote and power of decision making over themselves).

When discussing obesity, we often hear that people simply need to exercise more willpower, eat less and make better choices. But this overlooks something rather important: the extraordinary amount of scientific research, behavioural psychology, product engineering and marketing expertise that goes into influencing what we eat, how much we eat and how frequently we want to eat it.
Multinational food corporations such as Nestlé, Kraft Heinz, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo and Mondelez operate in an industry where encouraging repeat purchases and consumption is commercially valuable. These companies have access to sophisticated consumer research, food science, sensory testing and marketing strategies designed to make their products appealing, convenient, recognisable and desirable.
Consider the science behind food formulation. Manufacturers can manipulate combinations of sugar, fat, salt, flavourings, textures and aromas to maximise palatability. Researchers sometimes describe particularly appealing combinations as a food's bliss point. The aim is to create products that consumers enjoy and want to purchase again.
Many ultra-processed foods are also soft, easy to chew, energy-dense and quick to consume. These characteristics can make it easier to eat substantial quantities before the body's fullness signals have had sufficient time to influence eating behaviour.
Then there is the neuroscience. Highly palatable foods can activate brain systems involved in reward, motivation and learning, including dopamine signalling. Dopamine isn't simply a pleasure chemical; it plays an important role in learning which experiences are rewarding and motivating us to repeat them.
Repeated exposure can strengthen associations between particular foods and environmental cues. The sight of a familiar logo, the smell of fast food, an advertisement or even a particular time of day can trigger the desire to eat, sometimes in the absence of physiological hunger.
This is an important distinction: wanting to eat something and needing food for energy are not necessarily the same thing.
The term food addiction remains scientifically debated. Some people experience addiction-like patterns of eating, particularly involving highly palatable foods, but it would be inaccurate to suggest that all ultra-processed foods are inherently addictive in the same way as nicotine or cocaine. Nevertheless, the evidence surrounding reward-driven eating, cravings, conditioned responses and habitual consumption is substantial.
Marketing adds another layer of influence. Food corporations use branding, emotional associations, celebrity endorsements, sponsorships, strategic product placement, promotional pricing, loyalty schemes and increasingly sophisticated digital advertising to shape consumer preferences.
These techniques draw on established principles of behavioural psychology. Familiarity can increase preference. Repeated exposure can influence purchasing decisions. Emotional associations can make products more attractive. Convenience and prominent placement can increase the likelihood that a product is selected.
Importantly, much of this influence operates through automatic cognitive processes rather than deliberate, conscious decision-making.
Intelligence does not make someone immune to psychological influence.
An intelligent, educated person can understand nutrition perfectly well and still experience cravings, respond to advertising, develop habits or find highly palatable foods difficult to moderate. These processes are part of ordinary human cognition and physiology.
Nor is willpower an unlimited resource that operates independently of hunger, stress, fatigue, habits and environmental circumstances. Self-regulation matters, but the conditions in which decisions are made also influence their outcomes.
Now consider the scale of the issue.
According to the Health Survey for England 2024, approximately 66% of adults are overweight or living with obesity, including 30% who are living with obesity. In 1993, the corresponding figures were 53% and 15%.
In other words, the proportion of adults living with obesity has doubled over approximately three decades.
Did the population collectively become less intelligent, less knowledgeable or less capable of exercising self-control? Or should we be examining what has changed in the environment in which people make their decisions?
One major development has been the increasing availability and consumption of ultra-processed foods (UPFs), particularly over the latter half of the twentieth century. Industrial food processing itself is not new, but the variety, accessibility, convenience and marketing of these products have expanded enormously.
The rise in obesity has occurred alongside major changes in our food environment, and numerous observational studies have found associations between higher UPF consumption and obesity. However, correlation alone does not establish that UPFs caused the entire increase in obesity. Changes in physical activity, portion sizes, socioeconomic conditions, sleep and other factors also matter.
What makes the UPF evidence particularly interesting is that we now have experimental research supporting a causal contribution to overeating.
In a controlled study published in Cell Metabolism in 2019, researchers at the US National Institutes of Health compared ultra-processed and minimally processed diets. Participants were allowed to eat as much as they wanted, and the meals offered were matched for several nutritional characteristics.
Remarkably, participants consumed approximately 500 additional calories per day on the ultra-processed diet. They also ate more quickly and gained weight, whereas they lost weight during the minimally processed diet.
This was a small, short-term study, so it cannot tell us that every UPF has the same effect. But it provides compelling experimental evidence that the characteristics of the food environment itself can influence how much people consume.
This brings us back to the argument about personal responsibility.
Of course individuals make decisions about what they eat. Of course energy balance matters. But those decisions are not made in a vacuum. They take place within an environment deliberately structured to attract attention, stimulate desire, encourage purchasing and make consumption exceptionally convenient.
When commercial organisations invest enormous resources into understanding and influencing human behaviour, it seems rather simplistic to dismiss the resulting population-level eating patterns as failures of individual willpower.
If approximately two-thirds of adults are now overweight or living with obesity, perhaps we should be asking fewer questions about what is wrong with individuals and more questions about the environment in which those individuals are expected to exercise self-control.
Understanding how human behaviour is influenced isn't infantilising people. It is recognising that intelligence, knowledge and personal responsibility exist alongside biology, psychology, commercial incentives and environmental pressures.
And if we genuinely want to address obesity at a population level, we need to understand all of them.

Ffiohna · Yesterday 18:22

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 17:58

When discussing obesity, we often hear that people simply need to exercise more willpower, eat less and make better choices. But this overlooks something rather important: the extraordinary amount of scientific research, behavioural psychology, product engineering and marketing expertise that goes into influencing what we eat, how much we eat and how frequently we want to eat it.
Multinational food corporations such as Nestlé, Kraft Heinz, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo and Mondelez operate in an industry where encouraging repeat purchases and consumption is commercially valuable. These companies have access to sophisticated consumer research, food science, sensory testing and marketing strategies designed to make their products appealing, convenient, recognisable and desirable.
Consider the science behind food formulation. Manufacturers can manipulate combinations of sugar, fat, salt, flavourings, textures and aromas to maximise palatability. Researchers sometimes describe particularly appealing combinations as a food's bliss point. The aim is to create products that consumers enjoy and want to purchase again.
Many ultra-processed foods are also soft, easy to chew, energy-dense and quick to consume. These characteristics can make it easier to eat substantial quantities before the body's fullness signals have had sufficient time to influence eating behaviour.
Then there is the neuroscience. Highly palatable foods can activate brain systems involved in reward, motivation and learning, including dopamine signalling. Dopamine isn't simply a pleasure chemical; it plays an important role in learning which experiences are rewarding and motivating us to repeat them.
Repeated exposure can strengthen associations between particular foods and environmental cues. The sight of a familiar logo, the smell of fast food, an advertisement or even a particular time of day can trigger the desire to eat, sometimes in the absence of physiological hunger.
This is an important distinction: wanting to eat something and needing food for energy are not necessarily the same thing.
The term food addiction remains scientifically debated. Some people experience addiction-like patterns of eating, particularly involving highly palatable foods, but it would be inaccurate to suggest that all ultra-processed foods are inherently addictive in the same way as nicotine or cocaine. Nevertheless, the evidence surrounding reward-driven eating, cravings, conditioned responses and habitual consumption is substantial.
Marketing adds another layer of influence. Food corporations use branding, emotional associations, celebrity endorsements, sponsorships, strategic product placement, promotional pricing, loyalty schemes and increasingly sophisticated digital advertising to shape consumer preferences.
These techniques draw on established principles of behavioural psychology. Familiarity can increase preference. Repeated exposure can influence purchasing decisions. Emotional associations can make products more attractive. Convenience and prominent placement can increase the likelihood that a product is selected.
Importantly, much of this influence operates through automatic cognitive processes rather than deliberate, conscious decision-making.
Intelligence does not make someone immune to psychological influence.
An intelligent, educated person can understand nutrition perfectly well and still experience cravings, respond to advertising, develop habits or find highly palatable foods difficult to moderate. These processes are part of ordinary human cognition and physiology.
Nor is willpower an unlimited resource that operates independently of hunger, stress, fatigue, habits and environmental circumstances. Self-regulation matters, but the conditions in which decisions are made also influence their outcomes.
Now consider the scale of the issue.
According to the Health Survey for England 2024, approximately 66% of adults are overweight or living with obesity, including 30% who are living with obesity. In 1993, the corresponding figures were 53% and 15%.
In other words, the proportion of adults living with obesity has doubled over approximately three decades.
Did the population collectively become less intelligent, less knowledgeable or less capable of exercising self-control? Or should we be examining what has changed in the environment in which people make their decisions?
One major development has been the increasing availability and consumption of ultra-processed foods (UPFs), particularly over the latter half of the twentieth century. Industrial food processing itself is not new, but the variety, accessibility, convenience and marketing of these products have expanded enormously.
The rise in obesity has occurred alongside major changes in our food environment, and numerous observational studies have found associations between higher UPF consumption and obesity. However, correlation alone does not establish that UPFs caused the entire increase in obesity. Changes in physical activity, portion sizes, socioeconomic conditions, sleep and other factors also matter.
What makes the UPF evidence particularly interesting is that we now have experimental research supporting a causal contribution to overeating.
In a controlled study published in Cell Metabolism in 2019, researchers at the US National Institutes of Health compared ultra-processed and minimally processed diets. Participants were allowed to eat as much as they wanted, and the meals offered were matched for several nutritional characteristics.
Remarkably, participants consumed approximately 500 additional calories per day on the ultra-processed diet. They also ate more quickly and gained weight, whereas they lost weight during the minimally processed diet.
This was a small, short-term study, so it cannot tell us that every UPF has the same effect. But it provides compelling experimental evidence that the characteristics of the food environment itself can influence how much people consume.
This brings us back to the argument about personal responsibility.
Of course individuals make decisions about what they eat. Of course energy balance matters. But those decisions are not made in a vacuum. They take place within an environment deliberately structured to attract attention, stimulate desire, encourage purchasing and make consumption exceptionally convenient.
When commercial organisations invest enormous resources into understanding and influencing human behaviour, it seems rather simplistic to dismiss the resulting population-level eating patterns as failures of individual willpower.
If approximately two-thirds of adults are now overweight or living with obesity, perhaps we should be asking fewer questions about what is wrong with individuals and more questions about the environment in which those individuals are expected to exercise self-control.
Understanding how human behaviour is influenced isn't infantilising people. It is recognising that intelligence, knowledge and personal responsibility exist alongside biology, psychology, commercial incentives and environmental pressures.
And if we genuinely want to address obesity at a population level, we need to understand all of them.

This is an extraordinary post even for you @DeliaPith321 ❤️

I particularly pick out this: “Nor is willpower an unlimited resource that operates independently of hunger, stress, fatigue, habits and environmental circumstances. Self-regulation matters, but the conditions in which decisions are made also influence their outcomes.”

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 19:16

Ffiohna · Yesterday 18:22

This is an extraordinary post even for you @DeliaPith321 ❤️

I particularly pick out this: “Nor is willpower an unlimited resource that operates independently of hunger, stress, fatigue, habits and environmental circumstances. Self-regulation matters, but the conditions in which decisions are made also influence their outcomes.”

Thanks! Yeah I think that's a great retort for the lack of willpower tropes.

It really bothers me a lot that people come out with these moralistic insults for people that are overweight or obese and the cruelty is just so unfair. People can feel bad enough about being overweight in a society that has such a negative attitude towards larger people without others blaming them and effectively bullying them by saying it was through weakness of character that they got there. Quite frankly I think it's dangerous as I worry about the risk of suicide due to the combination of these things' effect on self esteem.
Sharing enough information that there is no space left for misunderstanding tends to be my go to. It annoys me too that these huge corporations have literally had strategy meeting after strategy meeting where they discuss how they will ensure people eat more of their products without the tiniest bit of consideration for the health of consumers. It's them that are greedy, for money. Yet they get off scot free because they've become so ingrained in our culture that they're kind of unnoticeable. Instead people berate and insult individual's who have fallen prey to the intentions those corporations had all along.
Just to caveat that I don't think obesity is only caused by UPFs. I don't claim to know as much about the biological reasons (although I did do some reading yesterday on the perimenopausal hormonal effects) but I know they are certainly significant too. Something we haven't mentioned as much too is the association with experiences of abuse.
There is a substantial body of research demonstrating an association between adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), including abuse, neglect and family dysfunction, and an increased likelihood of overeating, binge eating and obesity in adulthood.
A 2014 meta-analysis involving more than 112,000 participants found that adults who had experienced childhood abuse had approximately 34% higher odds of obesity than those who had not. More recent research has also identified associations between childhood adversity and obesity in adulthood.
Knowing this and then seeing people pop shots at obese and overweight people really just makes me think 'come on' like they've had enough sh** to deal with. Talk about kicking people when they're down - whether knowingly or not.

scoutzx · Yesterday 19:32

SometimesthingsMatter · Yesterday 15:37

Well clearly it did exist considering babies were fed condensed milk and other things. Thank god the world has moved on and there is formula! 🙄

For nearly all of human history babies were breastfed, the human race would’ve died out otherwise.

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 19:43

scoutzx · Yesterday 19:32

For nearly all of human history babies were breastfed, the human race would’ve died out otherwise.

Someone else without the faintest knowledge or capacity to Google or even read the thread. A link was posted earlier regarding the history of infant feeding including the substitutes people resorted to four thousand years ago. You also presumably have heard that the infant mortality rate used to be quite high? Yes, enough babies were able to be breastfed to avoid actual extinction of the species. But all through time, mothers have died in or shortly after childbirth or have experienced failure of their milk or babies unable to feed. There is a long history of wet nursing and formula recipes going back a very long way. Plenty of babies won't have survived on the substitutes people had to turn to in such desperate circumstances, or certainly not thrived. Because the human body gets things wrong and malfunctions sometimes. There is a lot to be said about formula companies and the activities of Nestle in the developing world. But the invention of formula in itself is an absolute fucking miracle that has saved the lives of babies who would and did die in previous centuries.

scoutzx · Yesterday 19:44

Being breastfed for at least 6 months helps lower your risk of becoming obese later in life.

Major health organisations, including the World Health Organisation and Centred for Disease Control and Prevention, note that breastfeeding provides a consistent protective effect against weight gain that can last through childhood, adolescence, and into adulthood.
.

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 19:49

scoutzx · Yesterday 19:44

Being breastfed for at least 6 months helps lower your risk of becoming obese later in life.

Major health organisations, including the World Health Organisation and Centred for Disease Control and Prevention, note that breastfeeding provides a consistent protective effect against weight gain that can last through childhood, adolescence, and into adulthood.
.

Yes, on a population level, breastfeeding improves health outcomes. It is important to distinguish between population level outcomes and individual ones. For example, I was exclusively breastfed as a baby but was an overweight child and obese adult. I exclusively breastfed both my babies but one has asthma, eczema and severe food allergies - all things that breastfeeding has a protective effect against but unfortunately is not a magic shield against. I am all in favour of supporting more women to breastfeeding for longer. It won't solve the obesity crisis, I'm afraid.

scoutzx · Yesterday 20:00

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 19:43

Someone else without the faintest knowledge or capacity to Google or even read the thread. A link was posted earlier regarding the history of infant feeding including the substitutes people resorted to four thousand years ago. You also presumably have heard that the infant mortality rate used to be quite high? Yes, enough babies were able to be breastfed to avoid actual extinction of the species. But all through time, mothers have died in or shortly after childbirth or have experienced failure of their milk or babies unable to feed. There is a long history of wet nursing and formula recipes going back a very long way. Plenty of babies won't have survived on the substitutes people had to turn to in such desperate circumstances, or certainly not thrived. Because the human body gets things wrong and malfunctions sometimes. There is a lot to be said about formula companies and the activities of Nestle in the developing world. But the invention of formula in itself is an absolute fucking miracle that has saved the lives of babies who would and did die in previous centuries.

The majority of mothers throughout human history breastfed, as human survival depended on it before the advent of artificial infant formula in the 20th century.

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 20:04

I'm so lost. How is breastfeeding related to obesity?

scoutzx · Yesterday 20:04

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 20:04

I'm so lost. How is breastfeeding related to obesity?

It lowers your risk of becoming obese for starters!

SilenceInside · Yesterday 20:05

Goodness knows! Best ignored I’d have thought.

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 20:07

scoutzx · Yesterday 20:04

It lowers your risk of becoming obese for starters!

By asking that question I'm asking how does the current topic of convo relate to this thread which is meant to be about whether obesity is an illness? Like why are people talking about it.

OrangeBlaze · Yesterday 20:08

scoutzx · Yesterday 20:00

The majority of mothers throughout human history breastfed, as human survival depended on it before the advent of artificial infant formula in the 20th century.

Again, pick up a book. Lots of babies used to die. So did mothers, leaving surviving infants to be fed any way possible - maybe wet nursed and maybe with animal milk or various concoctions (you can google 'pap' for one). It's very easy to inform yourself on this, not that it's particularly relevant to the thread. When mothers couldn't breastfeed in the past, their babies would likely die - and this happened not infrequently. Now obviously enough babies survived that the human race did not die out. But plenty of infants didn't make it. Surely you are aware of this?

GiveMeWordGames · Yesterday 20:09

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 20:04

I'm so lost. How is breastfeeding related to obesity?

Well, as topics they're both apparently catnip for the judgemental, ill-informed and hard of thinking. 😬

DeliaPith321 · Yesterday 20:10

GiveMeWordGames · Yesterday 20:09

Well, as topics they're both apparently catnip for the judgemental, ill-informed and hard of thinking. 😬

😂😂