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Is being Obese an illness?

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agel · 18/10/2026 16:15

Yes or No
Im really not trying to start an argument. I want to understand what people actually think/know/believe about this.

I am obese and am trying to gain some sort of control over my eating through therapy at the moment. I’ve tried diets and exercising that do work but long term I don’t seem to be able to change my lifestyle enough to keep the weight off. I hate living like this and how people treat me differently because of my size. My family don’t understand at all. My partner is not understanding and it’s seriously affecting our relationship in many ways. It seems unfair because I don’t feel I have much control over this. It’s actually very lonely being in this situation. I rarely mention the topic of my health or weight to others because pardon the pun it’s always the elephant in the room! But you can almost hear what people are thinking. I hate the judgemental looks and comments. I rarely go out now because of anxiety and panic attacks brought on by this situation.

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DeliaPith321 · Today 14:24

ExpectMore · Today 14:19

I think you’re over complicating it and infantilising large swathes of the population. They may be over weight but they’re not stupid. They don’t need spoon fed basic info.

look at it a different way: not very many generations ago we didn’t have an obesity problem. What’s changed since then? Did they have information programmes and were they hand held by the government into how to eat, be active etc?

No. Or at least not that I’m aware of. That’s because the concepts are basic. Eat less, move more. Yes bodies fight back against weight loss as evolutionary that’s a good response. Yes some eating is behavioural. But it all boils down to (quality &) numbers in vs numbers out.

As I’ve said before, that’s the refreshing bit both for individuals and as a society as it means we can get it under control on a individual and holistic level, without having to think it’s beyond anyone’s gift and / or needs expensive medication.

I think you're conflating understanding a basic principle with being able to successfully apply it over the long term. Nobody is suggesting that people with obesity lack intelligence or need to be spoon-fed information. Quite the opposite. I'm suggesting that people deserve information that reflects the complexity of the condition rather than an oversimplification of it.
Of course, energy balance determines changes in body weight. Nobody is disputing the laws of thermodynamics. The question is what regulates energy intake and expenditure, why those processes differ between individuals, and why maintaining weight loss can be so difficult even when someone understands precisely what they need to do.
Your historical comparison actually raises an important point. If obesity were primarily a question of individuals understanding the need to eat less and move more, why has its prevalence increased so dramatically over recent generations? Human intelligence and basic nutritional knowledge haven't suddenly deteriorated. What has changed substantially is our food environment, including the availability, affordability, marketing and formulation of energy-dense, highly palatable foods, alongside changes in physical activity, working patterns and other environmental influences.
Previous generations didn't necessarily need extensive obesity education because they weren't living in precisely the same environment. That supports the argument for examining the wider determinants of obesity rather than reducing it to individual choices.
We also know that weight loss can trigger physiological adaptations, including increased appetite and reduced energy expenditure, which can persist and contribute to weight regain. Understanding these mechanisms isn't infantilising anyone. It's providing scientifically accurate information that may help people make informed decisions about treatment and long-term management.
As for medication, I don't think anyone needs to argue that GLP-1 treatments are necessary for everybody, or that lifestyle interventions are ineffective, to recognise that medication can be a valuable and evidence-based intervention for some people. We routinely use medical treatments to support physiological processes in other conditions without suggesting that patients should simply manage them through willpower.
I agree that obesity needs to be addressed at both individual and societal levels. Where we differ is that I don't believe acknowledging the complexity of obesity makes it seem insurmountable. I think understanding the mechanisms involved gives us a much better chance of developing effective, sustainable solutions.
The principle of energy balance is simple. The biological, psychological and environmental systems governing it are not.

OrangeBlaze · Today 14:32

ExpectMore · Today 12:41

Couldn’t agree more on adopting a “successful, proven method to support long term large weight loss and reduce the obesity crisis”: eat healthily (in general less) and move more.

It’s so tried and tested and successful the nhs and pretty much every other health organisation advocates for it.

And yet obesity has risen across the world and until GLP-1s has been on a continuously upwards trend. So that 'tried and tested' method didn't actually seem to be working. Is it 95% of people who lose weight regain it within five years? It's fairly easy to find the studies. Turns out 'eating less and moving more' works much better in theory than in real world situations and has proven a dismal failure in reducing obesity rates. The only thing that is successfully having an impact on obesity is GLP-1 medication. So why advocate for a strategy that hasn't been working on the population level over one that is?

DeliaPith321 · Today 14:37

Ffiohna · Today 14:17

I think I love you @DeliaPith321 ❤️

I do try 💅

GiveMeWordGames · Today 14:50

DeliaPith321 · Today 14:37

I do try 💅

You're doing brilliantly and you have the patience of a saint. Mine expired. 😂

ExpectMore · Today 15:12

OrangeBlaze · Today 14:32

And yet obesity has risen across the world and until GLP-1s has been on a continuously upwards trend. So that 'tried and tested' method didn't actually seem to be working. Is it 95% of people who lose weight regain it within five years? It's fairly easy to find the studies. Turns out 'eating less and moving more' works much better in theory than in real world situations and has proven a dismal failure in reducing obesity rates. The only thing that is successfully having an impact on obesity is GLP-1 medication. So why advocate for a strategy that hasn't been working on the population level over one that is?

So how do you explain that obesity wasn’t an issue years ago, before the drugs existed?

The drugs are akin to formula milk. A solution to a problem that never existed until we created it.

GiveMeWordGames · Today 15:20

Fuck me, you're going after bottle feeding now?😂

This'll be fun. Never been pregnant, no skin in that game but it'll be good to watch. Not entirely sure you're not on the wind-up now, TBH

SometimesthingsMatter · Today 15:37

ExpectMore · Today 15:12

So how do you explain that obesity wasn’t an issue years ago, before the drugs existed?

The drugs are akin to formula milk. A solution to a problem that never existed until we created it.

Well clearly it did exist considering babies were fed condensed milk and other things. Thank god the world has moved on and there is formula! 🙄

OrangeBlaze · Today 15:44

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ExpectMore · Today 15:48

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Another one with an argument so weak they have to resort to personal attacks 🙄

ExpectMore · Today 15:49

SometimesthingsMatter · Today 15:37

Well clearly it did exist considering babies were fed condensed milk and other things. Thank god the world has moved on and there is formula! 🙄

And before condensed milk….? Keep going….

DeliaPith321 · Today 15:50

ExpectMore · Today 15:12

So how do you explain that obesity wasn’t an issue years ago, before the drugs existed?

The drugs are akin to formula milk. A solution to a problem that never existed until we created it.

How many years ago? Have you actually researched the topic of obesity? Because the information is all there. Billion dollar snack industries designing addictive high calorie cheap foods, socioeconomic issues meaning a large amount of people can only afford less healthy food, the infrastructure of towns and cities dissuading people from exercise, chronic stress, sleep issues. You only have to read back over this thread for a pretty comprehensive run down of how this public health issue has come about. Rather than asking us to repeat ourselves.

OrangeBlaze · Today 15:51

For your perusal @ExpectMore a dive into the ancient history of substitute milk for infants going back about 4000 years https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2684040/

Were you honestly not aware of this? I know it's a tangent off the topic of this thread but it really blows my mind to think someone could be so spectacularly ill-informed across the board.

A History of Infant Feeding - PMC

The historical evolution of infant feeding includes wet nursing, the feeding bottle, and formula use. Before the invention of bottles and formula, wet nursing was the safest and most common alternative to the natural mother's breastmilk. Society's ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2684040/

SometimesthingsMatter · Today 15:53

ExpectMore · Today 15:49

And before condensed milk….? Keep going….

Posters already have eg wet nurse. Are you wanting to go even further back in time than that, to babies dying without a substitute? Is that far enough back for you?

DeliaPith321 · Today 15:53

Was Adam fat? What about Eve?

OrangeBlaze · Today 15:54

ExpectMore · Today 15:49

And before condensed milk….? Keep going….

Animal milk. 'Pap'. Whatever options desperate people could find. And of course, infant mortality used to be pretty high. Is that not enough of a problem for you to understand why formula was invented? Was it better when babies just...starved to death?

Charlenedickens · Today 15:56

I have been watching this but was going to stay out as it has been hugely derailed and became unpleasant, but I’m utterly shocked it’s now being put forward that formula milk is down to a problem we created , alongside fat people being lazy.

OrangeBlaze · Today 15:59

ExpectMore · Today 15:48

Another one with an argument so weak they have to resort to personal attacks 🙄

Ok, so you have recognised that a lot more people now are obese than they were previously.

You are also aware that the standard advice is 'eat less, move more'. You understand that health institutions have been advising this for a long time.

And yet, obesity rates have continued to rise despite this advice being standard and mainstream. The diet industry has exploded since the 80s and gym membership is now normal and widely available too.

But people have continued to get fatter. And your argument is that this is easy to fix, we just have to keep handing out leaflets on eating less and moving more. In the face of all the evidence that proves this advice is not reducing obesity levels at all.

I'm not sure why you think you have a strong argument here.

Charlenedickens · Today 16:00

DeliaPith321 · Today 15:53

Was Adam fat? What about Eve?

I’m not sure I’d bring christianity into it to be fair, there are many different religions and of course many believe in Darwinism and evolution rather than creationism.

ExpectMore · Today 16:01

DeliaPith321 · Today 15:50

How many years ago? Have you actually researched the topic of obesity? Because the information is all there. Billion dollar snack industries designing addictive high calorie cheap foods, socioeconomic issues meaning a large amount of people can only afford less healthy food, the infrastructure of towns and cities dissuading people from exercise, chronic stress, sleep issues. You only have to read back over this thread for a pretty comprehensive run down of how this public health issue has come about. Rather than asking us to repeat ourselves.

Yes I have and it boils down to people not eating healthily (as you point to in your post re. Addictive snacks) and being active enough.

can look for excuses or complicating factors all we wish but when you get to the crux of it you’ll note those 2 specific points.

ExpectMore · Today 16:05

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ExpectMore · Today 16:06

DeliaPith321 · Today 15:53

Was Adam fat? What about Eve?

I wouldn’t have thought so. He had an active lifestyle remember and no cake to munch on when feeling a little low.

ExpectMore · Today 16:11

OrangeBlaze · Today 15:59

Ok, so you have recognised that a lot more people now are obese than they were previously.

You are also aware that the standard advice is 'eat less, move more'. You understand that health institutions have been advising this for a long time.

And yet, obesity rates have continued to rise despite this advice being standard and mainstream. The diet industry has exploded since the 80s and gym membership is now normal and widely available too.

But people have continued to get fatter. And your argument is that this is easy to fix, we just have to keep handing out leaflets on eating less and moving more. In the face of all the evidence that proves this advice is not reducing obesity levels at all.

I'm not sure why you think you have a strong argument here.

You’re missing the point. The fix isn’t the handing out of more leaflets. I don’t believe any leaflets are necessary as the knowledge should be basic (and at least in the uk is taught in every school). It’s back to the simple concept of application. So actually eating healthily and moving more (in most cases).

From a solutions perspective, there’s maybe merit in considering not funding any obesity caused illnesses or injuries but that would be hard in practice from a determination perspective.

Out of interest, aside from expending even more money on jabs, what’s your solution?

OrangeBlaze · Today 16:13

ExpectMore · Today 16:01

Yes I have and it boils down to people not eating healthily (as you point to in your post re. Addictive snacks) and being active enough.

can look for excuses or complicating factors all we wish but when you get to the crux of it you’ll note those 2 specific points.

Have you considered offering your advisory services to the WHO? Because this is what they have to say about obesity:
Obesity is a chronic disease affecting 1.1 billion people worldwide (1).It is driven by complex interactions between environmental, social, biological and behavioural determinants. You'll notice @ExpectMore that the very first sentence there defines obesity as a disease. You'll notice that it's considered a complex issue. You might concede that perhaps it can't be solved by someone on Mumsnet declaring that everyone should just eat less and move more without proffering any suggestions as to how this can be achieved across the world in the face of all the things that have changed in the past fifty years. Of course, there is now a way that obese people can be successfully helped to eat less and move more, and that's GLP-1 medication. But apparently you think that's the lazy solution and you would prefer that we instead stick with a strategy that isn't working. Or else invent time travel and go back to the days before widespread obesity and, apparently, infant formula too because there is definitely no need for that. We are all so fortunate that you stopped by to offer your pearls of wisdom on this thread. So helpful!https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and-overweight

SilenceInside · Today 16:15

"From a solutions perspective, there’s maybe merit in considering not funding any obesity caused illnesses or injuries but that would be hard in practice from a determination perspective." - I mean, you are definitely not debating this seriously with suggestions like this. It's rage-baiting.

GiveMeWordGames · Today 16:20

SilenceInside · Today 16:15

"From a solutions perspective, there’s maybe merit in considering not funding any obesity caused illnesses or injuries but that would be hard in practice from a determination perspective." - I mean, you are definitely not debating this seriously with suggestions like this. It's rage-baiting.

100% .

Pissed off I fell for it

And it's so, so insulting to people like you and @DeliaPith321 and others who have taken the time to post detailed, factual, evidence-based rebuttals of this nonsense.

As well as the obvious empathy-free ugliness of the basic premise being spouted.

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