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Why We Eat (Too Much) Thread 3

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TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/06/2021 23:21

We’ve chatted as much as we (used to) eat! New shiny thread for more support.

General principles:

No sugar
No wheat
No processed foods
Honourable mention to tipping the balance of omega 3 and 6, but that’s mostly achieved by doing the above.

Everything else is fair game!

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TheLeadbetterLife · 06/07/2021 22:31

Couldn’t hurt I suppose. I do take a fish oil capsule, but I got a bit obsessed with micronutrients last year, after getting some odd, rheumatoid arthritis-type symptoms, and take all sorts of supplements now.

No idea what, if anything, it’s all doing, but the effect on the symptoms was miraculous.

CatherineCawood · 06/07/2021 22:43

Ohh tell me more. I keep getting a couple of swollen fingers where the swelling is on the joint. Is that the sort of symptom you mean? My maternal grandmother had it and my fingers look a lot like hers these days. I'm 48 FFS! Not 68! Argh!

TheLeadbetterLife · 06/07/2021 22:59

That’s exactly what happened to me! With the maternal grandmother witch fingers and everything. Except I was 38...

I asked my mum about it and she said it had happened to her and she started taking high dose vitamin c and it went away. I was a bit raised eyebrow about it, because it sounded like woo, but I was getting weird pain in other parts of my body too, so I tried it. The pain and swelling disappeared in about three days and has never come back.

I was kind of annoyed that she was right, but hell, it worked. I then got on the slippery slope of learning about inflammation and supplements and also started on curcumin and fish oil for inflammation, iron, magnesium, and most recently a probiotic, melatonin and GABA.

Overall I feel better, and combined with the dietary changes and intermittent fasting I started last year (also with a view to reducing inflammation), I’ve lost a lot of weight. But it was the vitamin c that I actually noticed having an effect. I have to assume the other stuff is doing something, who knows?

(The other thing my mother mentioned is earthing, but that surely is bollocks. As I said to her, I walk around barefoot all day in a house that definitely has some dodgy wiring on the earth circuit - if “earthing” is a real thing, I’m already getting the benefits).

Aria999 · 07/07/2021 00:33

Lol re the earthing in your house!

I also take fish oil (as I am phobic about eating actual fish and the omega 3 has to come from somewhere!) and magnesium, and a general multivitamin which I should probably swap out for a non prenatal one at some point 😂

Words · 07/07/2021 06:56

Interesting talk about supplements. My mother has had arthritis all her life and I am sure it's heading my way too.

Since upping my exercise last autumn I have noticed a general increase in aches and pains ( I am 55 tomorrow Shock) and I also have an arthritic big toe which has been the subject of all manner of physio and eye wateringly expensive orthotic interventions of late.

I have some stretches from the physio and I do try to listen to my body more than I used to do.

Sooo...on supplements I take D for the immunity benefit ( and last winter was the first ever I didn't hit a wall of SAD) , a combination from Boots called magnesium OK for meno symptoms ( also includes calcium - and selenium - dementia on both sides of my family) I was also recommended cod liver oil capsules so take that too. I include fresh turmeric in my veg blends sometimes as that is meant to help.

Things are a little easier, but with so many variables it's hard to pinpoint which one made the difference.

Words · 07/07/2021 06:58

Oh and Pilates too. But need to be careful with that or it can make things worse.

TammyTwoSwanson · 07/07/2021 07:02

I take vitamin D too. I was so stiff and in constant pain everywhere after chemo a couple of years ago, and a blood test showed severe vit D deficiency. After a few months of taking the supplements, the pain stopped!
I'm rubbish at remembering to take a multi vitamin though.

Tiredandbored · 07/07/2021 09:27

Can I just say (and I know I'm preaching to the converted here) how incredible this WoE is!

I have just tried to explain to a friend who mentioned how well I was looking and asked how I had managed to lose weight what I was doing - even as I explained I was finding it hard to believe myself.

I shared the basic outline of this WoE, but when I told her I was not weighing food or counting calories, was eating large portions (compared to when I'd dieted previously), was never going hungry and had lost almost 2 stones (and am still losing weight) I could understand why she looked amazed. I'm amazed myself!

I am very close to my first target weight of being under 11 stones, which puts me into the healthy BMI bracket. I've only ever got there before after serious dieting and significant willpower, exercise and depriving myself of food in a way that was never going to be sustainable long-term.

The way I'm eating now I know I can easily do for the rest of my life, it's so easy!

HighlandCowbag · 07/07/2021 10:11

I completely agree Tired. I also like that the odd slip up doesn't actually matter too much. With the best will in the world, everyone has things that happen that make it more difficult to make the right choices. I've had a difficult month and then go on holiday a week on Saturday so I know that week will be probably more miss than hit. But also know once I am home things will get back on track easily enough.

I had a good day yesterday. Chicken salad for lunch, then shepherds pie for tea. Its taken a couple of days to get back into it after an epic hangover on sunday. But slept much better last night as a result of eating properly I think.

I need to exercise to keep aches and pains away. I haven't been running for a few weeks, aunt dying knocked my duck off a bit, and my knees are starting to ache. Bit reluctant to restart because of the holiday coming up and also I am moving the ponies. The current yard does them for me, so no mucking out or paddock cleaning etc. New yard I will be doing everything and going twice a day so am not sure I will be able to fit running in, plus ponies and riding more often. Am going to suss it out for a week or two before I decide. I do love running and it keeps my knees pain free, but I also need to be realistic about how many hours I have a week, especially when uni restarts in September.

Today will be scrambled eggs for brunch, then at stables from 12ish. Then having left over shepherds pie for dinner.

Coconut80 · 07/07/2021 10:13

Im 8 weeks or so into this way of eating. Pmt and stressed i ate crap for 3 days biscuits, ice cream and milk chocolate. It was all really unsatisfying, it didnt soothe me like it used to or give me the hit i used to get. I wonder if your brain rewires and those pleasure pathways have changed. Back on it again. Has anyine else noticed this x

Tiredandbored · 07/07/2021 11:06

Definitely @Coconut80! I used to look forward to sitting down in the evening and eating chocolate/cookies/ice cream/pizza/doughnuts/all of the above, but now if I have some of those things I realise how processed they taste and unsatisfying they are.

I actually find myself craving healthy options - I love sitting down and having Greek yoghurt and raspberries now and really look forward to 'treating' myself with them!

Words · 07/07/2021 11:53

I am still enjoy good chocolate, but the lure of other stuff is falling away, I agree.

Woke up feeling tired and hungry ( genuinely, not that restless craving type of hungry) which is very unusual for me, so had a cheese omelette. Ate normally last night so no idea why I was hungry.

I've now had a bit more cheese and several home made oatcakes. And an off-plan, very nice cheese and fig melty thing bought before I started this new plan and in need of eating.

So - I am In danger of letting my eating slide away today so posting for accountability I guess!

Aria999 · 07/07/2021 12:40

@Tiredandbored completely agree!

@Words it's probably ok. One of the many things thing I love about this plan is it genuinely doesn't seem to matter how much you eat as long as it's good stuff. He says it, and so far I'm finding it true for me - I haven't seen any correlation between quantity and weight. Hopefully it is the same for you!

Aria999 · 07/07/2021 12:41

And in other news I reached my original target this morning! Now to see if there's any scope to keep going...

Words · 07/07/2021 12:50

Excellent work @Aria999 !

behappy38 · 07/07/2021 12:55

@Cinderella78

I am a vegan attempting to follow this book. As I understand it, we want to keep insulin (and therefore glucose / sugar) down, cortisol down, omega 6 down, and we want fats, protein and omega 3 up. And keep eye on Glycemic Load of foods.

As a vegan, I am struggling to find enough foods....but also, understand the logic?

@DysonDiva He DOES say to quit wheat...and then says pasta salad is ok as pasta salad for lunch. Later on he says he doesn't want us to quit carbs entirely, as he doesn't want us to go keto or to crave the carbs, so he says rice and potatoes are ok for dinner, and oats for breakfast. But pasta makes little sense...maybe it's best to have wholewheat and is suggested so we don't fall off bandwagon? ALSO, I want to know if quinoa or buckwheat are ok, as these are complete proteins and as a vegan I want to eat them. Very little info online about Omega 6 ratio and Glycemic Load of those grains.

As a vegan I eat legumes and pulses for protein, and the only one he mentions is chickpeas, which he says you can have in a salad at lunch and as hummus as a snack. Can I eat all the other pulses and legumes? How do I decide when there is so little info online about the Omega ratio and the Glycemic Load of pulses and legumes?

NUTS: This is hard. We can't have nuts. So we want high-fat meals...as a vegan this is JUST avocado and coconut milk / cream / oil / flakes. Nuts would be ideal choice, but as he said above "Walnuts' high Omega 3 is rendered useless by its high Omega 6". However, why is coconut ok? I believe it has higher Omega 6 than 3, as do chickpeas and avocados and olives and which are recommended, and tomatoes which are allowed.

As he says oat breakfast is ok, I have been having chia pudding. I checked and chia has more Omega 3 than 6, and fewer carbs than oats so surely must be ok. Have been using pure coconut milk to mix in, and a chopped date as he said "a little honey is ok" and surely one date is equal to a little honey? I have also been having flax / linseed as it's a good fat, low carb and low omega 6 and high omega 3. Am tempted to also have hemp but unsure as slightly high in 6 (but similar to grass-fed beef, which he recommends)

He knows the consumer is confused about what to eat. We want clarity. The fact this thread exists shows the lack of clarity provided by the book. If I am throwing out all my nuts and dried fruit and vegetable oil, I don't then want to mess it all up by eating a legume or carb with wrong Omega ratio or Glycemic Load. May as well have just eaten a nut (and got all the great nutrients it contains, which I need as a vegan).

Also I know he said "eat greens" but I found a chart online that says Beet Greens and Chard are much higher in Omega 6 than 3!

I wish he'd included a grid breaking down ALL the ratios and Loads of common foods. Anyone got any insight on any of this? :)

behappy38 · 07/07/2021 13:22

[quote behappy38]@Cinderella78

I am a vegan attempting to follow this book. As I understand it, we want to keep insulin (and therefore glucose / sugar) down, cortisol down, omega 6 down, and we want fats, protein and omega 3 up. And keep eye on Glycemic Load of foods.

As a vegan, I am struggling to find enough foods....but also, understand the logic?

@DysonDiva He DOES say to quit wheat...and then says pasta salad is ok as pasta salad for lunch. Later on he says he doesn't want us to quit carbs entirely, as he doesn't want us to go keto or to crave the carbs, so he says rice and potatoes are ok for dinner, and oats for breakfast. But pasta makes little sense...maybe it's best to have wholewheat and is suggested so we don't fall off bandwagon? ALSO, I want to know if quinoa or buckwheat are ok, as these are complete proteins and as a vegan I want to eat them. Very little info online about Omega 6 ratio and Glycemic Load of those grains.

As a vegan I eat legumes and pulses for protein, and the only one he mentions is chickpeas, which he says you can have in a salad at lunch and as hummus as a snack. Can I eat all the other pulses and legumes? How do I decide when there is so little info online about the Omega ratio and the Glycemic Load of pulses and legumes?

NUTS: This is hard. We can't have nuts. So we want high-fat meals...as a vegan this is JUST avocado and coconut milk / cream / oil / flakes. Nuts would be ideal choice, but as he said above "Walnuts' high Omega 3 is rendered useless by its high Omega 6". However, why is coconut ok? I believe it has higher Omega 6 than 3, as do chickpeas and avocados and olives and which are recommended, and tomatoes which are allowed.

As he says oat breakfast is ok, I have been having chia pudding. I checked and chia has more Omega 3 than 6, and fewer carbs than oats so surely must be ok. Have been using pure coconut milk to mix in, and a chopped date as he said "a little honey is ok" and surely one date is equal to a little honey? I have also been having flax / linseed as it's a good fat, low carb and low omega 6 and high omega 3. Am tempted to also have hemp but unsure as slightly high in 6 (but similar to grass-fed beef, which he recommends)

He knows the consumer is confused about what to eat. We want clarity. The fact this thread exists shows the lack of clarity provided by the book. If I am throwing out all my nuts and dried fruit and vegetable oil, I don't then want to mess it all up by eating a legume or carb with wrong Omega ratio or Glycemic Load. May as well have just eaten a nut (and got all the great nutrients it contains, which I need as a vegan).

Also I know he said "eat greens" but I found a chart online that says Beet Greens and Chard are much higher in Omega 6 than 3!

I wish he'd included a grid breaking down ALL the ratios and Loads of common foods. Anyone got any insight on any of this? :)[/quote]
@Zanage1
@Coconut80

If you have any insights as vegans I'd love them!

Words · 07/07/2021 13:33

Hi Someone will be along I am sure but the feeling I am getting is not to get overly hung up on the numbers. I was surprised yesterday about toms and mushrooms, but in the grander scheme of things these don't matter hugely. The main thing is avoiding ultra processed food, veg oil and stuff containing it I think.

Given your diet is restricted to vegan choices I guess your main focus will be to make sure primarily it remains healthy and balanced as a main priority before becoming too involved with the balance between omega 3 and 6. Especially as you eat no meat fish or dairy, which contain lots of 6.

Thé 'would your granny recognise it' test would still apply I think. Not sure what is in vegan substitute foods but the ingredients may be worth checking I suppose if you eat those.

TheLeadbetterLife · 07/07/2021 14:14

I believe there are algae-based (rather than fish oil) omega 3 supplements, which might be a help for vegans?

veryblearyeyed · 07/07/2021 14:24

A grid would be a great idea. Maybe we should write him a letter?

badlydrawncat · 07/07/2021 16:34

@DysonDiva buckwheat is fine. I think window's not optimal because of the omega 3/6 ratio but not sure. Re pasta I've been eating clearpring soba noodle - soba noodles are buckwheat noodles. Clearspring make some that are 100% buckwheat flour (as well as some that aren't 100%).

TBH, personally I think the principles are much more important than 'you can eat this but not that'. He says somewhere that he originally didn't want to put that list in the back of the book. I think he knows ing will then turn into a 'diet'. Us humans always seem to want rules and complicated systems. We make life so complicated for ourselves that we lose sight of the bigger picture (me included).

badlydrawncat · 07/07/2021 16:35

Bloody hell! I think window's not I think quinoa

samthebordercollie · 07/07/2021 17:19

If you read @TooExtraImmatureCheddar opening post for this thread you will see the principles of this WOE.
Tipping the balance of omega 3 and 6 can largely be achieved by cutting out ultra processed foods, sugar and wheat.
This isn't a diet and anyone who is considering cutting out certain fruit like tomatoes completely and cutting out nuts if they are vegan is taking things too far. Wholefoods are good and the bigger the variety of fruit and veg the better. Ultraprocessed food is bad.

For anyone interested in the omega 3 and 6 ration and nut issue particularly, this is a very interesting article.
www.marksdailyapple.com/why-the-omega-3omega-6-ratio-may-not-matter-after-all/

behappy38 · 07/07/2021 17:29

thanks all for these points :) I got freaked out when he said nuts are a no-go but yes, I need to get my nutrients and as long as I am massively reducing glucose and wheat and veg oil, I am sure I will improve my health and see results

CatherineCawood · 07/07/2021 18:07

@TheLeadbetterLife YES!!! Witchy fingers, knobbly horrible things! That's both my index fingers! I'll try the vit c trick and see if it works. Never heard of earthing - I'll google it but am not terribly woo I'm afraid!

I started a vit D spray today instead of tablets.

I hope buckwheat is ok, I just bought some! I bought 2 lots of flipping bulgar wheat first by accident! 🤦‍♀️