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Does becoming overweight set up permanent weight problems for life?

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Mudmagnetoftheworld · 05/10/2017 13:32

Do people who’ve managed to lose a decent amount of weight, say more than a couple of stone, ever manage to maintain a healthy weight effortlessly?

Is it just a matter of changing lifestyle and attitudes to eating and exercise? Or once you’ve been overweight do you always struggle to keep it off?

After being skinny all through my childhood, teens 20’s & 30’s, I’m now pushing 50 and managed to get myself 2-3 stone overweight!

Is that it for me now? If I manage to lose it, do I need to accept I’ll have to exist on hardy any food?

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HorridHoris · 05/11/2017 08:30

@OliviaD68
Hi, hit a bit of a block, where I’m losing and then gain the same couple of pounds. But to be honest the carbs have crept up more than I’d like so with that in mind it feels that I’m just maintaining, which is not so bad.
I just have to get focused again.
I have upped my calories too, so still playing with that and it’s effects.

I find weighing every day and entering it on my Fitbit app is a good way to keep track. I can see from the graph, I seem to overall drop a bit, then maintain, drop a bit, then maintain, but looking at the everyday entries it does go up and down.

When you say you’re having difficulty reintroducing carbs, are you gaining slightly? Or not feeling right? I’m assuming you’ve reached a weight/body fat percentage you’re happy with?

OliviaD68 · 05/11/2017 16:57

@HorridHoris

At least you know what you’re doing wrong. So it’s all within your control.

What I’m struggling with is timing of carbs: ensuring I restore muscle glycogen after hard workouts, continuing to burn fat while at the same time minimising fat storage.

I’m a bit in the dark without a blood meter because I don’t know when I’m in fat burning mode. I’m guessing now.

Remember when you said you were not hungry during what seemed to be fasting periods? And I said it was great you had that flexibility.

I probably had only just attained an ability to burn fat and glucose with such a flexibility after close to a year on LCHF. I’m now playing around with it but it now feels I’m burning glucose more than fat so it feels like I’ve gone too far.

In terms of body fat I’ve crept up a bit given my experimentation. About 3 pounds of fat gained so not a big deal.

Likely to buy the Precision Xtra meter to better understand my reactions to various food macros. Just curious to see when I need to dial carbs vs fats ... it’s getting scientific but at my stage and given my objectives I don’t see I have a choice.

stevie69 · 05/11/2017 20:26

You can't eat the way you did as a teenager when you are middle aged, sadly.

Ain't that the truth ........... Sad

OliviaD68 · 06/11/2017 10:51

@stevie69

You made me think about your statement ...

I think it was broadly true - it was when I was younger - though increasingly less so. So I looked up some UK stats.

Click here and prepare to be shocked.

In 2015/16, over 1 in 5 children in Reception, and over 1 in 3 children in Year 6 were measured as obese or overweight.

This is disastrous.

stevie69 · 06/11/2017 13:46

Hi OliviaD68,

Completely agree. It's a drama now. And will be an absolute crisis in the years to come Sad

Hope my message didn't offend. I was just musing about how I have to be a lot more careful with what I eat. A little slip tends to quickly lead to weight gain, which didn't happen when I was younger. I guess it's not the same for everyone; after all, we're all amazingly unique. Anyway I don't mind putting the effort in. I feel very well for it and can't wax lyrical enough how shifting the excess six stones that I was carrying has given me a complete new lease of life Smile

Thanks for all your helpful advice on here. I'm reading and digesting it all Smile

OliviaD68 · 06/11/2017 14:08

@stevie69

No offence taken at all. I had accepted the comment because it’s how I grew up. But then the world has changed such an enormous amount. So I said “hang on a minute.” So sad how things have changed in 30 years only.

I hope what I wrote on here makes some sense. I have steered wide of recommendations because they are very individual as you said. Starting points, level and type of activity, social relationships, personal objectives all matter.

I’m a believer that diets are really unhelpful because they don’t teach you anything - they create clannish / cultish like reactions. They discourage thought and analysis - just follow the instructions and don’t worry ...

So best in my view to just understand what your body does with food and where you need / want to be on the LCHF / HCLF spectrum. And experiment to learn by doing.

And like me realise the learning continues. Just had my boy - biology major - challenge me on cholesterol a few hours ago.

Six stone is massive weight loss. How did you do it?

stevie69 · 06/11/2017 15:37

@OliviaD68

At 15 stones and a size 20, I ventured through the door of Weight Watchers. I realise that it's not everyone's cup of tea but:

(a) it taught me all about portion size (which was ultimately my problem); a little too much at each meal and the weight crept on, silently and surreptitiously Shock AND

(b) the support from the other members, all of us with a common goal, really kept me going

When I'd lost 2.5 stones or so, I hired my personal trainer, who is a British champion competitive bodybuilder Blush. I train with him once a week, lifting heavy weights, and train alone another three times per week. He took me from around 12.5 stones (size 16) to 8 st 12;b (size 8), which is where I am now.

I still train with Chris. I still go to Weight Watchers. I need to do those things to keep where I want to be.

OliviaD68 · 06/11/2017 15:47

@stevie69

Completely get it. Makes sense. It’s a path that worked for you and that’s all that matters. Congrats.

Heavy weights are great. Really necessary as we get older to battle sarcopenia. Women don’t do enough. Too much cardio in many cases esp HIIT relative to weight training.

My pecking order priority is a) mobility b) strength training c) aerobic cardio d) anaerobic cardio.

Many exercises have components of all three - eg deep squats contribute to mobility, are strength training and mostly anaerobic - but I still like to compartmentalise into these four categories so I’m clear why I’m doing what I’m doing.

stevie69 · 06/11/2017 15:51

Here's my 'before' and 'after' Blush

Does becoming overweight set up permanent weight problems for life?
Does becoming overweight set up permanent weight problems for life?
OliviaD68 · 06/11/2017 16:27

Fantastic.

Did DH do the same?

Abra1d · 06/11/2017 16:47

You look amazing Stevie!

stevie69 · 06/11/2017 16:52

LOL Grin. No, he left me for a younger, prettier accountant (he must like his accountants Shock) not that long after that pic was taken. We were never married, no kids—so no real hassle. I guess that's what prompted me to take myself in hand. I mean, I didn't consciously think: 'Oh, I must lose weight in order to attract a new bloke'—and indeed I'm still single (and loving it) eight years on—but I guess it was a bit of a turning point.

Poppet (as I affectionately call him) and I are the very best of friends. I've known him since we were both 16; it wasn't an acrimonious split—it had just run its course Blush He still goes to Weight Watchers with me every Tuesday. He's around three stones lighter now but still has a way to go. He'll get there in the end Smile

stevie69 · 06/11/2017 16:54

@Abra1d

Thank you. What a really lovely thing to say. Your really can't comprehend how much your kind words have made my day. So, so lovely Smile

antimatter · 06/11/2017 16:58

Lots of great advice Olivia!!! Thanks for sharing.

I need to reread this thread and plan my food and my exercise.

OliviaD68 · 06/11/2017 17:01

@antimatter

Happy to have helped. If anything is unclear or not working let me know and I can look at my notes and reference materials.

OliviaD68 · 06/11/2017 17:04

@stevie69 agree w @Abra1d.

You must also feel great right?

What I really like about your experience is you made it your lifestyle.

Not a temporary diet thing but literally a way of life. It’s the right way to do it. It’s then a part of you.

stevie69 · 06/11/2017 17:16

OMG. I feel fabulous, yes. The trouble is that I've always been happy: life has been very kind to me Blushand so I didn't really know—or maybe I should say I didn't fully understand and feel—how my excess weight was making me tired and slow and how much better I'd feel once I'd lost it all. It's only now that I'm here that I appreciate the difference—if that makes sense.

I've kept just one of my smart work suits in a size 20—just so that I can remember. The rest has been recycled. I'm not going back. Ever Blush

Lots of love and best wishes to those on the journey. We're all still on it, you know. Like Olivia says, it's not a temporary thing Smile

Abra1d · 06/11/2017 17:18

SmileStevie

antimatter · 06/11/2017 21:20

I have done LC and IF so as far as doing it I know I can. I even managed on 20 g carb once for a week and I think I am going to start from 45 g carbs per day for now so I don't fail. I definitely didn't understand where hunger pangs are coming from i.e. from not using fat storage and relying on carbs for source of energy.

I am very overweight so for me to get 45-50 min at 80% heart beat is just a very fast walk with my dog and that I can do in the morning before work. I just have to set my alarm a bit earlier.

Spinach doesn't agree with me in big quantities and I am going to start cooking greens and cabbage more often.

OliviaD68 · 07/11/2017 09:25

@antimatter

A very basic way to understand hunger is I think the way you are looking at it: reduced blood insulin promotes access to fat stores through glucagon production and the associated breakdown of body fat by the liver.

If you can access energy on a constant basis, then you are not hungry.

In reality, the body's processes are a lot more complicated, especially for people who have a high body fat content. Very fat people often will struggle to lose weight more than people moderately fat.

I think I mentioned the term insulin resistance earlier on. As a reminder, this is when your cells resist accepting the nutrients brought to them by insulin because your body has produced too much insulin over a long period of time. This happens mainly with very overweight people. Nutrients not accepted by cells get stored as fat so the fat storing vicious cycle is worse ... Also really bad is the fact that the nutrients are not absorbed like they should be so the body is often undernourished even with all this food consumption. Paradoxical, right?

Anyway, there is a similar concept with respect to hunger. I'm going to ignore a hormone called Peptide YY which regulates short term eating and focus on leptin below ...

Leptin is often referred to as the satiety hormone - when present, one normally doesn't feel hungry. It regulates satiety over the long term, unlike peptide YY which regulates it from meal to meal.

Leptin gets released from body fat cells; it is therefore present in the blood in an elevated state in people who are fat.

Similarly to people who are insulin resistant, people with a high body fat %age can become leptin resistant - ie no longer sensitive to the signal that makes them feel satiated. This partly explains why fat people are often so hungry - which had never made sense to me: why would someone with so much energy around the belly ever be hungry?

So if anyone ever criticises fat people for not having any 'self control', you now know it's complete BS. The reason is physiological (and can be addressed) not necessarily willpower (though emotions can trigger hormones in an adverse way as well so I don't think I can say it is not psychological).

Apparently, leptin levels in the blood increase exponentially with body fat percentage, making very fat people feel even less satiated and encouraging thus them to eat more.

A few things to bear in mind to break the oversupply of leptin to get the hypothalamus sensitive to leptin again (if this is your situation - likely if your body fat % is high):

  • Fasting reduces leptin. So IF would be helpful here
  • Exercise reduces leptin. Makes sense that it should make room for a hunger hormone called ghrelin to trigger hunger
  • Insulin increases leptin production (wherefore the need to reduce carb intake to reduce blood insulin levels)
  • Testosterone reduces leptin and estrogen increases leptin. IF increases testosterone production as does exercise with heavy weights

So ... if you're overweight there is a good chance you are leptin resistant.

Break the hunger cycle through heavy weight exercise (training fasted is best), IF and reducing carb intake.

antimatter · 07/11/2017 11:06

Thank you! This all is a revelation to me!
I would need weight resistance training first thing in the morning then? Not just fast walk for 45-50 min?

OliviaD68 · 07/11/2017 11:27

That’s a complicated question. It depends on your objectives.

Objective: reduce leptin levels. To increase testosterone you need intense exercise like lifting heavy weights esp on large muscle groups like legs. This then reduces leptin. It’s best to lift heavy in a fasted state because you take advantage of growth hormone and testosterone levels to train. So you get a double kick.

So lifting heavy and fasted allows you to produce testosterone to reduce leptin and get your body sensitive to it again.

But I view this as an enhancement. Diet is more important.

Objective: burn fat. Fasted steady state cardio like you described burns a lot of fat. But it won’t increase testosterone as much. You benefit from some testosterone production thru fasting but not through mobilisation of large muscle groups that you get via lifting.

My personal view on fitness is it should ideally be a mix of mobility, strength training and cardio once you have achieved weight objectives.

If you are very overweight I would

  1. have as my number 1 objective immediate fat loss. This should override everything until you get where you want to be. So your fasted walks sound great.

  2. introduce mobility exercises. Not stretching / flexibility but MOBILITY. Yoga is an example.

  3. once you have improved mobility then add heavy weights

  4. cardio specific exercise last.

So in you case if you feel you have good mobility already adding some heavy weight training would help. But bear in mind diet is always good to yield more results. So if you can reduce carbs down you probably get what you need with respect to leptin issues.

The weight training would just be an enhancement. It would also help you counter other damage you’ve done other the years.

antimatter · 07/11/2017 11:41

You are a godsend to me Olivia. I just needed information like you are providing here to make sense of the knowledge and experience I have.

I love yoga and will now work out when I can do it to benefit from it most. I read somewhere than it should be done during daytime so that is hard. But if I can't find anywhere suitable then I'll do one during weekend in the morning, Saturday perhaps.

stevie69 · 07/11/2017 11:42

Thanks again Olivia.

I did my usual heavy lifting in the gym at 6am this morning. Always sets me up for the day—I feel fab throughout the day when I've trained Smile

OliviaD68 · 07/11/2017 11:50

@stevie69 About to start my weights now. Not looking forward to it because it hurts but like you I feel great when I’m done.

@antimatter Pleasure. Hope all this helps. Don’t overdo it. No need to get yourself injured. “It’s a marathon not a sprint.”