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A space to talk openly about weight loss journeys and challenges. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

BigMoFos Week 20

166 replies

WigWamBam · 21/09/2006 10:48

New thread for a new week.

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lemonaid · 22/09/2006 16:44

It was nothing like that when I went 10-11 years ago. Your weight loss or gain was very discreetly murmered to you and written down.

Sounds like your leader was a power-crazed loon. I hope he/she got excommunicated (or whatever it is that WW does to transgressors).

JackieNo · 22/09/2006 17:53

Good grief WWB - sounds like a most humiliating experience.

Littlefish · 22/09/2006 18:32

She sounds like that slimming club leader from Little Britain!

How awful WWB.

SJ - thanks for your lovely comments - they mean a great deal.

justamum · 22/09/2006 23:25

I know I said I'd bow out but piggie ears and shouting oink, thats the best laugh I've had in weeks- are you sure it wasn't Marjorie Daws? -how horrendous.

suejoneziscalmernow · 23/09/2006 00:03

Is Marjorie Daws the woman on Little Britain? I can only watch about 30 secs of that even though I know its a joke - it makes me wince too much!

needhugs · 23/09/2006 14:34

Hi ladies, Justamum has highly recommended this thread to me as I'm having trouble controlling my binging. Thks for your kind message I gave my self a "diet free" day when I could eat anything - it's more like a day when I eat "everything". I'm also hiding my binging from others.

Today's been pretty good - All Bran, lots of fresh pineapple, veg soup ...and urm two homemade chocolate & banana muffin. Daytimes usually ok though, it's when the babies are in bed that the smarties start to shake...

Anyone have any theories on why/how we got addicted to food???

WigWamBam · 23/09/2006 17:49

Little Britain makes me wince too ...

Needhugs, I can only tell you why I think that I'm addicted to food; I suspect there are as many reasons as there are stars in the sky, but this is mine. I equate food with love and comfort, and it stems right back into my childhood. My mother didn't show or express love in what I consider a "normal" way - she was hard and abusive, she didn't cuddle or hug us, she was quite distant and cold. It was unspoken, but her philosophy seems to have been "if you love something, feed it" - and I have been comforting myself with food ever since. There was also other abuse at the hands of my grandfather, which I think has also added to my problems with food.

Right from the time I started earning money of my own, I have spent far too much of it on food, and I really do think that it's a self-medication thing - I eat to make myself feel better because it was the only thing my mother did that made me feel good. At 17 or 18 I would buy packs of doughnuts and things, and sit in my room eating the lot in secret ... and when you've been doing it for 25+ years it's a hard habit to break. Even now that I have a lot of love in my life I still do it ... particularly when I'm down or things are tough.

It's also a self-esteem thing - which again goes back to my upbringing. I wasn't valued so I don't value myself. I've said it before on these threads somewhere, but I almost feel I don't deserve to be slim and fit and healthy. When I was pregnant with dd it was easy to eat the right things, not over-eat and stick to a healthy diet because I was doing what was best for her - but I can't do it for me because I don't value myself as much as I valued her.

Oh dear ... that's all terribly depressing to read. But it's my truth, and I suspect that low self-esteem and self-medication is more common a cause of weight problems than you might think.

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Dottydot · 23/09/2006 19:20

I haven't even got a valid reason why I overeat - for me I think it's boredom, which is pretty pathetic... I like the feeling of being full and I've got a really sweet tooth - also rubbish reasons!

So I'm knitting like fury at the moment!

Had a fab moment in M&S today - for the first time in over 2 years I tried on some clothes, and have discovered I'm a size 18 on bottoms and almost an 18 on top as well!! Am really chuffed with this and it's encouraged me to try to hit a 16 by Christmas.

lemonaid · 23/09/2006 21:09

For me it's a mixture of Dottydot's reasons and that, as a child and even as a teenager, not finishing absolutely everything on your plate was the worst thing you could do ever (and they were big portions). So I never learned to have any "full" cues, or to have any concept of eating what I really wanted and then stopping. This is bad anyway and even worse if the only reason I've started eating is boredom. I'm not entirely sure that I'm ever going to develop those missing cues that tell me when I'm nicely full (as opposed to completely pogged) so I have to try to intellectually think "have I probably had enough" instead.

needhugs · 23/09/2006 21:54

Thanks for sharing that WWB, it's got me thinking...all through my childhood I was give food to console me when I was sad but also to congratulate me; usually a box of quality street! Never thought of that before! we also had to finish our plates.

I think dieting causes binging too - every time I start a new diet or promise myself to be extra careful (about every 2 days) I have to have one last blow out -I wonder what would happen if I stopped going on diets and didn't have any reason to have "one last treat"?

JackieNo · 23/09/2006 21:58

needhugs - I've decided that I'm not going to ban any foods completely, as I think I'd react the same way as you. I'm trying to eat smaller portions at mealtimes, and replace the 2 bars of chocolate I used to eat every day with healthier snacks. I do still eat chocolate, but not very often, and I've mostly not found myself missing it (to my surprise).

needhugs · 23/09/2006 22:32

Have you put on any weight since "stopping the ban?"

WigWamBam · 24/09/2006 08:36

I think when you have the kind of mindset that turns food into an addiction, or which automatically craves something that you have decided you're not allowed, diets are the wrong way to go. And by that I mean diets where you forbid particular foods, or only eat at certain times of day, or "faddy" diets like meal replacements. Banning food just makes it take on more significance than it should do, so you crave it and crave it, then binge on it and blow the "diet". Dropping to too low a calorie count and expecting to be able to sustain it has the same effect - you can manage a couple of days on starvation rations but then you eat the fridge. Our expectations of what we can do when we diet and what our body needs us to do are very different.

I think that you have to include treats and "normal" food when you're trying to lose weight, particularly when you have a lot of weight to lose. The more "normal" your eating, the easier it is to sustain the diet (that's the theory, anyway!). That way you don't need the blow-out beforehand, and hopefully you can stave off the binges that dieting can cause.

"Going on a diet" is a phrase that we ought to ban, actually ... it automatically puts you in the frame of mind that makes you feel you're being deprived, plus it makes you feel that you always have to be "good" with your eating and makes you feel guilty (or even just "bad") when you can't stick to it. I guess what I've been aiming for is just to eat a healthy diet, cut down on portion sizes, and be careful with those foods that I know are my problem ones.

I also think you have to be realistic and recognise that you are going to fall off the wagon every now and then, and most diets don't allow for that ... we tend to feel bad for eating what we shouldn't, feel that we've wrecked the "diet", and rather than drawing a line underneath it we throw in the towel. At least if you don't forbid yourself anything, then the guilt isn't so bad if we do have a blip.

We're human, we make mistakes. We draw a line, forgive ourselves if we need to, move on, and what the MoFos threads have done for me is help me to be able to do that - draw a line under a bad week/day/hour, then move on rather than give up.

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JackieNo · 24/09/2006 09:22

Yes - I agree with WWB. And I've been losing weight steadily since starting with the BigMoFos. I've had a fair few days when I've done the mindless eating thing, but I've been able to get back on track, with the help of these threads and the encouragement they give, and also seeing that other people do the same thing.

justamum · 24/09/2006 13:22

wwb- your bit about eating healthily during pregnancy sent a shive down my spine- Iused almost those exact words when talking to my mum not so long ago. When I had DD 5mnths ago I was about 21/2 stone lighter than now.
Needhugs, I think my reasons for overeating are a combination of rebelling against my ever-dieting mother when i was a teenager and low self esteem, partly dating from a date rape when I was 19. I seem to have had low esteem forever, don't know why because my parents are very supportive if a little pushy when I was an excruciatingly shy child.

Littlefish · 24/09/2006 13:44

Justamum, the sad thing is that I think we all looked after ourselves when we were pregnant. Somehow, the life inside us was more important and more precious than our own. It's a sad indication of the low self esteem many of us seem to suffer from that we can't see a reason to treasure and value ourselves.

Needhugs - my overeating stems from an anorexic/bulimic mother who was absent for most of my childhood - either emotionally because of her illness and depression, or physically because she was in psychiatric hospital. I never learned how to use food normally. It was always a weapon, a threat, a reward, a bargaining tool etc. in our family. Mealtimes were something to be dreaded - we all used to eat incredibly fast at home just to get away from the conflict around food. I grew up without any idea of what "normal" eating was. Added to this the need to eat to feel comforted, and you have a recipe for disaster .

WWB - so much of what you said struck a chord with me too. The lack of appropriate love within a family is devastating.

needhugs · 24/09/2006 19:22

It's definitely a combination of all of these things, justamum, I too was raped as a teenager and as result have very low self esteem (not all the time though, it comes and goes - is it the same for you?).

Growing up with ever-dieting mothers is also something I can relate too, I feel like I'm turning into her!

Since we can all see where our habits stem from, is it possible to change our behaviour around our children so they don't suffer, or are we simply going to repeat the same pattern? I know I'm guilty of using food for treats, although I don't force my toddler to finish his plate - when he's hungry he finishes it all without any pressure.

WigWamBam · 24/09/2006 19:52

Oh gosh ... some sad stories here. And proof if ever it were needed that weight problems aren't all about people being greedy or lazy. I think there are an awful lot of people here on MN who take a fairly dim view of people being overweight, and maybe they should all be forced take a look at some of these posts next time they come out with the old "eat less, move more" chestnut.

Needhugs, I would like to think that I'm aware enough of healthy eating that I'm bringing dd up to have a more "normal" attitude to food that I have. She has things like sweets, chocolate and crisps but they are treated as an ordinary food, no great fuss made about them - she has a packet of crisps once a week, just as she has fish or cottage pie once a week. Plus I hope that I'm passing on the message that food is fuel rather than a hug on a plate - we spend ages cuddling and saying nice things to each other so hopefully she will grow up with more self-esteem than I have, and not have the need to look for love in the bottom of a packet of doughnuts.

I'm careful to ensure that she only ever sees me eating normally too - she doesn't see me bingeing or picking at food because she's not here when I do it.

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TitianRed · 24/09/2006 20:59

Just needed to post. Sorry this doesn't really follow on. Week 2 of SW, have had a virus and lost appetite but have been forcing down soup and fruit for the past 2 or 3 days. However, today my DH has gone away on a course for 3 days and I have eaten crisps and a magnum because I miss him. I'm not on a downer with myself. I am proud of myself because previously, I would have had 2 or 3 packets of crisps plus biscuits, crackers and cheese and probably near enough a bottle of wine too. Monday is my weigh in day. Watch this space!

WigWamBam · 24/09/2006 21:54

Good for you, Titian - well done. It's little baby steps, isn't it; small changes rather than trying to change everything all at once.

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coppertop · 24/09/2006 23:05

I'm beginning to think that the BigMoFo threads should have their own extra titles "Week 20 - Cottage cheese and fanjos". And everytime I see the new Jane Eyre programme mentioned I remember the confessions thread and "Reader, I shagged him".

The WW woman sounds completely mad. Piggy ears and oinking?

I missed MrsJC's return but hope everything's going well for her.

Justamum - You do realise that we're not going to let you leave, don't you? Just when you think you've escaped we'll be luring you back for more.

lemonaid · 24/09/2006 23:35

That's one reason I am determined I am going to get down to a decent weight and eat more healthily. DS is 20 months now and I want him to have a healthy relationship with food. I don't want to be on a constant "diet" around him.

I think I'm already better in some respects than the way I was brought up -- I don't pressurise him to finish things, and I don't use food as a reward if I can help it. And I've noticed he actually eats pretty well, averaged out over a week, if left to his own devices.

Titian -- I agree entirely (a) that you've done very well and (b) that thinking "how much more would I have eaten in the old days" is a good way of looking at it. Even if the new me has a "bad" week and puts on a couple of pounds, if the old me would have reacted far worse and put on a lot more then I am ahead of the game.

WigWamBam · 25/09/2006 10:49

Subtitled threads, coppertop?? You mean something like those awful ones on the post- and ante-natal club threads? They would have to be a lot wittier. And probably a lot ruder

Maybe we should have a competition every Monday morning or something to think up the title for the new thread (although I think "cottage cheese and fanjos" may well have it for week 21 )

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suejoneziscalmernow · 25/09/2006 11:04

Oh god you're not really expecting me to THINK on a Monday morning are you

JackieNo · 25/09/2006 11:07

Hey sue - has that parcel with the bath toys arrived yet? I put it in the post last week.