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I will NEVER diet or follow nutritional advice again

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holmessweetholmes · 21/06/2014 17:55

I thought I was pretty clued up on healthy eating and on why certain foods were good or bad. Then I read 'In Defence of Food' by Michael Pollan. It is astonishing to read about how utterly clueless, completely untrue, or often deliberately misleading, official nutritional advice is. And incredible how simple it is to eat healthily. Anyone who has ever dieted/low carbed/low anythinged should read this book.

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tobysmum77 · 26/06/2014 12:25

its a bit like the peer pressure to eat cake in the office. I just refuse and care not if I offend anyone.

MarshaBrady · 26/06/2014 12:31

Agree Herc. Treat for me is sashimi.

I don't mind and can eat differently, but recognise that pressures are there.

MarshaBrady · 26/06/2014 12:33

I'd never reach for the cake at work just because everyone else is.

Sissyinthesummertime · 26/06/2014 12:36

I think I'm getting it a bit now. I am going to try and make some gradual changes. I do however need to lose weight and am struggling with the fact that I can have fat and sugar (albeit not too much), when I'm overweight. I guess that's the influence of society.

Nobody has mentioned wine? I'm sure my great great grandmother had wine Wine ..........

BigBoobiedBertha · 26/06/2014 13:07

I think the issue is not so much that what we are eating is difficult to understand - I am sure that most people would get that eating unprocessed natural food is the best thing if they stopped to think about it - but it is a much more complex issue than what we put in our mouths. Emotional eating, peer pressure, the advice of government, addictions, allergies, intolerances, the power of advertising and the media to influence what we eat, even the fact that there is so much information, a lot of contradictory, that even a simple message like eat natural unprocessed food becomes confusing. There are lots of apparently healthy eating diets (used in general sense not in the weight loss sense) that put rules on eating where they just don't need to be any - don't eat fruit, avoid diary, don't eat wheat, don't eat this or that, eat more fat, more protein etc etc. It is hard to tackle a national/global issue like food when what we eat is very individual and personal - it depends on where we live, what we can afford, what is available to us, what our personal tastes and requirements are and all that sort of thing and yet governments are supposed to issue message where one size fits all. It is fraught with difficulties and the potential to send confusing and mixed messages.

I don't know. I think that we should avoid any way of eating that has a name and I include things like Paleo in that too. It is too prescriptive and, from what I was reading earlier this week, even Paleo isn't that isn't necessarily great either - too high in protein and low in fats.

I haven't read the book in question (I am just about to download it though!) but it seem more and more obvious to me, as I struggle with my weight, that we should eat as I did as a child (I am old) - the meat and two veg thing. We had pudding but usually diary and fruit based and a bit of homemade pie thrown in. We had a sandwiches for lunch and cereal for breakfast but snacks and treats were reserved for the weekends/special occasions or we had a bit of fruit (half an apple or a satsuma before bed). We weren't deprived by any means or hungry for that matter. It was a bit boring mind you but that was more to do with the tastes of my parents than the concept. I am sure I could make it more interesting with the food that is available these days (and of course that is another issue - the sheer volume and variety of food that is available to us).

And of course it doesn't matter what you eat, if you eat too much of it you will put on weight so more realistic ideas of what an appropriate portion size is would be helpful. I don't think we understand what that is any more.

BigBoobiedBertha · 26/06/2014 13:16

Did anybody else look at Tobysmum77's link earlier - [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18770328 - BBC - where are you on the global fat scale?)

I made me wonder about BMIs. I look down the list and the only countries where the average BMI is at or below the healthy 24 are 3rd world countries where malnutrition is common and where there are issues with people not having a lot to eat. All the developed countries have a BMI higher than 24. It makes me wonder if BMI is a pretty poor means of establishing healthy weights.

Of course ultra low calorie diets are supposed to be very healthy - slowing the ageing process and all the associated illnesses that come with ageing - but I suppose you have to make every calorie count nutritionally and that is where the countries with low BMI's are falling short - they don't necessarily have the optimum nutrition so the apparently healthy weights of the under developed countries are in fact unhealthy if you look at their life expectancy and general health.

BigBoobiedBertha · 26/06/2014 13:17

Pah. Duff link - sorry.

Hope it works this time

holmessweetholmes · 26/06/2014 14:54

Ahhh wine... I was on the verge of giving it up altogether because once I have one glass I want lots! But oddly enough my new eating habits seem to have somehow encouraged a generally more relaxed but moderate attitude to things and I seem happy to have just the one glass atm.

Bigboobiedbertha - yy to avoiding ways of eating which have a name and are too restrictive.

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runlikeagirl · 26/06/2014 15:10

I love the idea of this. I've been doing 5:2 successfully since November. It has given me a better perspective on what is actual hunger and what is habit.

I love the idea of eating naturally, but I think I'd need a sugar ban to get rid of my sweet tooth. I love veg and fruit, but don't really like strawberries, blackberries, raspberries etc. Those things that other people see as a treat.

Breakfast is an issue too. I love having porridge or fruit and fibre. I can't do yoghurt in the morning, I've tried. Same with most other things.

MarshaBrady · 26/06/2014 15:11

I don't drink wine or really drink at home (maybe a g&t a few times a month). But I do drink prosecco or champers when out so I guess that's filed under treat.

elastamum · 26/06/2014 15:36

I think he has a point and I will read the book.

I am losing weight ATM, just by eating healthily. I just eat cereal in the morning, fish or cheese salad for lunch and a light evening meal. No snacks apart from the odd piece of fruit and smallish portions. I feel loads better for eating less and for ditching processed food and alcohol. Mostly I don't feel hungry, but have learnt not to be that bothered by it even if I am.

CateBlanket · 26/06/2014 16:09

thanks for all answers. More question Smile

DH not keen on steamed veg so he does quite a few stir fries. I read somewhere that if olive oil is heated to too high a temp it turns into a trans fat. Is this something I should lose sleep over?

holmessweetholmes · 26/06/2014 16:13

I know what you mean about the hunger thing, elastamum. When dieting, particularly on a low fat diet, the hunger always seemed so urgent and irresistible - I guess because of the combination of feeling deprived and lurching from sugar high to sugar low.

Low carbing was the first time I learnt how great it was not to have that urgent hunger any more, but I seem to be like that now too, when eating 'naturally'. It's hard to describe to anyone who hasn't felt it - I don't remember feeling it before. It's like a feeling of being in neutral, in balance. Neither being post-meal full nor hungry. And when you do get hungry you don't feel like grabbing for nearest chocolate bar. It's as though you have more space to think in a measured way about what you would really like to eat. So it's easier to make good choices.

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BeeBlanket · 26/06/2014 16:31

Yes totally relate to that too Holmes. I feel so much fuller when I'm eating fewer sugary things and eating mainly fresh and whole food. That feeling of "ooooh, I wish I could have xxx but I mustn't" just isn't there.

After my lunch today I could have had a bit of chocolate, I thought about it, I thought nah, don't really fancy it. There's no sense of denial or forbidden fruits, just listening to your body. If I do want it, I'll have it but a bit is enough. It's quite a calm and relaxing feeling.

I do have wine in the evening, if I feel like it, usually one glass of white.

holmessweetholmes · 26/06/2014 16:32

Yy exactly that!

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MarshaBrady · 26/06/2014 16:36

Yep at one point I thought oh what's this chocolate thing 85% couple of squares people talk about. Stood in chic aisle and thought wtf what am I doing I don't even want it.

It's the opposite feeling to being fearful of food or anxiou/ overly controlling. It's measured and relaxed.

MarshaBrady · 26/06/2014 16:37

Choc aisle

holmessweetholmes · 26/06/2014 16:53

I keep imagining saying to my dear departed granny 'Guess what - it turns out that the healthiest thing to do is actually to eat sensible portions of real food - you know, meat, veg, fish and stuff - and not too many puddings' and imagining her likely reply 'Well, yes... Confused what did you think?' Grin

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CateBlanket · 26/06/2014 17:41

it turns out that the healthiest thing to do is actually to eat sensible portions of real food - you know, meat, veg, fish and stuff

well us vegetarians are buggered then Grin

yumyumpoppycat · 26/06/2014 17:53

Cateblanket - smoke points of fat in celcius

ghee 252
olive oil (extra light - whatever that is?) 242
palm oil 235
expeller pressed coconut oil 232
macademia oil 212
lard 188
coconut oil 176
e v olive oil 160
butter 120 - 149

I always use butter to fry and in the book I got this list from (chris kresser) it is bottom of the list!

CateBlanket · 26/06/2014 17:57

thanks, yummy, but (sorry to be dense) what does smoke points of fat in celcius" mean?

yumyumpoppycat · 26/06/2014 18:31

ok this is from the book p131 your personal paleo

the smoke point is the temperature at which the flavour and nutritional integity of the oil begins to break down...oils that have passed their smoke point are likely to contain oxidised fats..which contribute to disease

yumyumpoppycat · 26/06/2014 18:34

so the higher the smoke point the more suitable it is for a stir fry Grin I think that means olive oil is fine but only if its the cheaper stuff and not extra virgin???

yumyumpoppycat · 26/06/2014 18:41

www.livestrong.com/article/446570-does-overheating-olive-oil-turn-it-to-trans-fat/aparently repeated heating can cause olive oil to turn to trans fat, in the comments people add that it is the cheap olive oil thats best to use not expensive extra virgin oil. These lists seem to change all the time so it is quite confusing.

holmessweetholmes · 26/06/2014 18:48

CateBlanket - Blush of course vegetarians can be healthy too! But I doubt my granny would have thought so. ..

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