The Paul McKenna Thread Number 12. A Simple Title, for Simple Weight Loss and All amongst Friends!!

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Welcome to thread 12 of the Paul McKenna's I Can Make You Thin weight loss system.

The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system are:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. After all, eating a meal is not a competition, it's about enjoying what you are putting in your mouth, but not feeling bloated and uncomfortable (or guilty) afterwards!
Many people have issues around food. Many of us have been brought up by the 'clear your plate' parents of yesteryear which leave us feeling guilty if we leave even the smallest morsel of food, but we are working through this guilt or any other hang up we may have, and we are learning to leave a bit on the plate; return to it another time if we really want to or even feed it to the dog or the bin!
So!! forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!! Let's get lighter for those summer clothes!

The Paul McKenna system really works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

You don't have to buy the book and CD, but we have found that they do help and somehow they keep you on track, so it would probably be a good investment and will cost you far less than a couple of trips to WW or SW meetings, so do consider having them in your life.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry ~ NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today and make 2013 your year to drop a dress size or several...if we can get into a smaller size for summer, just think how we could look for next Christmas!

Hello ladies. Welcome back Alibaba and also cupcake and hello to SirRaymondClench (do you prefer Sir Raymond or Clench)

Just a flying visit - Dh has gone to get a take away. We don't have them often but we have a bit of a weird weekend so we are makinife a bit easier. I shall bave to be mindful though - I am not that hungry. It is a bit early for me.

Hope everybody has some sunshine to enjoy.

Enjoy takeaway....just eat until that little feeling comes that says .....done.

For me it's after about two mouthfulls of each item. I could carry on but don't need to.

Ooh newbies and re-returners! How luffly!

Great to see you Ali! I had GF raspberry cheesecake on Monday, it was marvellous! Yes the success with EBF is brilliant. I'm pretty proud of her (and me!).

Sorry to hear you're getting anxiety. I have issues with that. My GP got me to do a HADS score recently because I went in quite sleep deprived and cried a lot. I'm not depressed but my anxiety was up a bit. I explained that I am always a bit anxious and I'm a new Mum! I know it'd tough with the weight and tablets. When my anxiety was really bad I got very low and stopped eating. It was like my hunger switched off. I did gain a fair bit starting on the tablets as I started feeling better. I'm confident if you follow the rules and listen to Paul you can avoid the gain.

Hello to Sir! Great start. Hopefully sticking with this thread will keep you motivated.

Hi cupcake. Welcome back :) I'm not comfortable with the idea of the gastric band so I'm just Pauling. As you say, it does work!

I have bought a sports bra to contain my large milky buzzwams and plan to start C25K on Monday or Tuesday. Quite looking forward to it! :)

Same thing happened to me Faith. I suffered from badly from anxiety in late teens and 20's and early 30's more or less up until I had DS1 but as soon as I had it under control I started to pile on weight. I would rather not be anxious of course and I am glad that food isn't so stressful (used to worry about eating too much and feeling ill, eating out and all sorts as well as loads of orher stuff) but it was like I was suddenly set free in a sweetshop with endless pocket moneyand no rules. Weird. Not surprisingly I put on weight. It was the start of the slippery slope to now.

IME HCP make you cry like nobody else. My HV kept looking at me like because she would ask me simple questions about sleep and feeding DS and every single time I would well up. It was purely tiredness and never happened with anybody else. She was worried I had PND and I don't think she believed my screening test at all. I swear she thought I fudged it.

Ali - I hope the tablets work. Have you tried CBT? That worked for me best but I know we are all different.

Evening ladies, not a great day today to be honest! bbq at a friends resulted in to much food and wine!!! Tomorrow I am off out for the day so will try and be a bit better! I am hoping to find time to listen to the cd tomorrow too! xx

Don't despair cupcake BBQs are a big challenge with this WOE, it's a grazing concept isn't it?!

BB worst thing before my appt was they had BBC24 one with the trial about Tia. Hearing what had happened to her and thinking what her Mum went through hearing it made me cry. Not ideal right before I saw the GP! I had been struggling a bit anyway but now Faithlet's reflux is being treated we're all happier :)

hello all
sorry for the delayed response: i wasny away in the cream puff just busy! bbb fair enough, as you said opinions differ & we're all entitled to them. i tend to think that i can read stuff & choose to leave it if it's not what i'm up for, as per the pork products: i love bacon & ham, so don't think i'll cut them out happily, so i won't. but i hear what you're saying about it being mentionned fairly frequently, & i can see how that's a problem if you came on the thread looking not to hear about diets at all. i suppose i just thought the blood type diet was a different category of diet, i'd understood it to be more of an approach to healthy living for your whole body with weight loss as a side effect, rather than weightloss being the main aim. his intro states "blood type is the key that unlocks the door to the mysteries of health, disease, longevity, physical vitality & emotional strength... susceptibility to illness, which foods you should eat & how you should exercise... factor in your energy levels, efficiency with which you burn calories, emotional response to stress" i don't see this in the same light as "eat this to lose weight" diets.
blimey i like what you say about having to eat 3,500 cals to gain 1lb! i'd heard that the other way around as "this is what you need to lose 1lb" & thought "oh crap!" but it's nicer turned on it's head how on earth does it seem so much easier to gain weight than lose it then???!!

rules i totally relate to what you're saying about restriction making you crave stuff, i have to admit i felt frightened by that when cutting out wheat, but happily i've found alternatives easily, so not missing out at all. still cereal for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch mmm. & a couple of times when i accidentally ate wheat (jings i never thought sausages would have bloody wheat in!) it really disagreed with me (i could've raised a couple of hot air balloons hehe!) & i was left thinking "i can really live without feeling like that"! so not feeling deprived but glad i know how to feel better. WRT pp losing weight solely from the blood type, i found an old thread (9 i think) with her saying she couldny believe her size twelves were loose etc (ie. weight loss talk) only~2yrs ago, but she said she'd been doing blood type for ~13yrs now... so pauling seems to have been the more recent reason for successful weightloss.
my weight gain, however, was not baby-related. when pregnant i went up from 8stone to 12stone (of which 6lbs was baby urg!) but lost it all again no bother. 9 months up, 9 months down. same with DD2. but after repeated depression before kids & PND after, i was put on different antidepressants as the previous ones stopped working. new ones main side effects were APPETITE which as a naturally thin person i didn't know how to ignore, because i'd only ever had appetite when i actually required nourishment before. so i ate, just extra bits mid-morning & evening & became ~3.5 stone heavier. when i was first on them for 1yr, i put on a stone & then when i stopped taking them it just fell off me. but after DD2 i've been put on them for keeps & though i'm no longer gaining weight, i just don't seem to be able to sustainably lose it

are these the ones you're on ali ADs called mirtazipine? asides fe moaning though my headspace is much better. they really work, but if only i'd known about pauling when i started taking them! hope you're feeling better.

hada guffaw at buzzwams you go girl with the C25K, i'm sure i was still leaving the house in baffies at your stage so am well impressed!

Hi everyone, haven't been on here for ages. I haven't listened to Paul for ages either, have got some big horrible problems going on ~ massive financial difficulties, feel like my marriage is disintegrating and I've got to find a new job. I'm miserable and stressed and my eating has gone completely out of control. I feel so angry with myself because I know that it's probably the only thing I can control at the moment, but every day I start with the best of intentions and every night I'm on amazon looking at a different diet book. It's awful. Anyway, I'm here again. I'm going to listen to the cd and try to resist the lure of the diet industry! Xx

Hi Talla ....it's hard not to fall into the diet trap again isn't it. But that's one of the reasons we overeat is because of diets. We think we have blown it so eat more until we're stuck in a cycle. Sorry your having troubles. Like you said one thing you can control I'd your eating, and by doing this woe you can be successful. It might take months but eventually you will crack this method and for good. You said your marriage is falling apart....anything you want to talk about?

Tallu sorry....

Hi very. To me the blood group diet is no different to atkins, low carb, hay diet, paleo diet....etc. They are all based on their own versions of so called healthy eating and all claim to restore health etc. but at the end of the day they all complicate the rather simple process of eating in my opinion. Of course if bread causes bloating then why not leave it out as you are doing but gf free options are often full of rubbish in their own way and a long list of ingredients. Anyway, apart from that very hows the pming working for you. Have you tried the band again?

Morning all

Well yesterday wasn't the greatest start! We went up to SIL's for a family get together, and I ate far too much - partly because I had a fair amount of wine, but also because we were outside and it was bloody freezing so my body was craving food!

Onwards today.

Hi Ali .....awww wine always makes eating more food sooo easy doesn't it. Nevermind todays another day.

oh gawd, what a mad last few days. this time of term always seems to have so much going on & stuff inbetween too! but with that has gone out the window my time to eat slowly & relaxingly & i haveny been clocking when i'm full so much, though i don't feel like i've really overeaten drastically i may have had a little more than what's required on a regular basis IYSWIM. before, i'd watched the video link to a youtube thing of how to recognise the full signal, checking in after each mouthful etc & had started doing that, but now i've been more or less eating what's on my plate. reasonable sized not massive portions, but maybe didny need it all? i dunno cos i never checked so feeling fed up with myself. totally exacerbated by going uptown clothes shopping with kids for summer stuff today: earlier in week found last years size 12 longs too tight, so went to get 14's & OH LORDY NO had to get 16's bloody hell! added to that the changing room hilighting my blubber i think i'll just lie under my towel of shame on the beach when we get to france

tallulah hi & sorry you're having a pants time. i know what you mean about the lure of diets, i found myself accepting "herbalife" weightloss challenge flier at gala day when i should have walked on by...

ali at family gatherings i scoff more too, often cos i'm there blethering & no stopping to think if actually hungry or no (& cos aunty marianne's buffet is bloomin marvellous!)

hi rules ISWYM about "healthy" diets, i hadny clocked there being so many of them. good point about unecessary complication, i just found it interesting how some of it tallied with my natural eating urges (before i learnt to squash my intuition! with "shoulds & oughts")
thanks for asking i've given up on HGB until i try the EFT clench reccommended, just seemed a pointless half hour when nuffin happenned. glad it's working for you

right everyone let's start monday with a PMA! we can do this thing!

Hivery god...isn't that the worse place to be...in the changing room looking at your self naked. At our most vulnerable. That's when all your insecurities come out. I hope no one minds me saying but the problem seems to be that of not following the 4 rules all the time. I might be way off here and I'm sorry if I am but people seem to be using the 4 rules the same way that they do with dieting as in ignore them and overeat and then start again tomorrow. I think if this is to actually work you have to do it every time you eat otherwise arnt you just ignoring your bodies signals. Again sorry if I'm being too simplistic

Hello! I'm a newbie to the thread. I've done Paul McKenna before but lost slowly and eventually lost interest. I really agree with the principles, enjoyed it and thought it made a lot of sense.

I've been trying to lose weight most of my adult life but was finally doing well losing for my wedding (2 stone), then got pregnant! Two babies in close succession later and I'm keen to get back on track. This plan is the most flexible to fit with my lifestyle so I'm keen to get some fellow followers for company and to keep me on track.

Hi Tin.....welcome. How much did you lose last time you did PM.

Hi very hows you. Be good to see how you get on with the EFT. But what is a PMA please...... that we are starting Monday (today).??
With regards to you not knowing when your full.....well.....for me its after about 4 mouthfuls. I can stop then cause the urgency to eat is gone. Its just not feeling desperate to eat anymore. Ok, you shouldn't get to the desperate stage but somewhere close to it where your really hungry and food tastes so amazing cause you really are hungry and then after a couple of mouthfuls your body is better. That's where thin people eat anything and everything I not gain weight I think. They just eat a little bit and then stop and then eat again later if they are hungry again. PM is not a miracle though, he gives you the tools and you have to work hard at being mindful and taste each mouthful. For me when the mouthful is not as PLEASUREABLE as the first mouthful, then I know im done.

Tin welcome to the thread! :)

Rules to be fair I think everyone is doing their best to apply the rules. IME years of 'dieting' and being 'good' or 'bad' does result in wobbles at times. I don't think anyone is going with the attitude of thinking they can blow out because they can just start again but slips happen and the joy of Pauling is unlike any diet I've done, he anticipates this and says its ok. I am wary of criticising anyone on the thread because I think it clashes with the way Pauling works and could end up alienating people.

Yes you are absolutely right Faith. Im very sorry , if I could have removed that post I would have cause it came out all wrong. I was trying to work out why we end up overeating (as I do too) and had been rereading PM book and it just came out....but not how I meant it. So again sorry .....didn't mean to criticise any one....just thinking on my feet but getting it wrong.

Hi ladies,

Sorry I've not been around. The PIL came yesterday so I didn't go near a computer until late - there was much manic cleaning before they came and then lots of cooking and coffee making when they were here. At least I was not tempted to overeat. Lots of cooking puts me right off my food which is good thing I suppose - it isn't that I am a bad cook, just that I get bored with it. Perhaps I should become a chef and really get the opportunity not to want to look at my own plate of food on a daily basis. It could do wonders for my waistline!

Today I haven't eaten much as I am knackered. I have been to work, worked on a very dull client who thinks laws are not for them and puts every single receipt they own through their business accounts so I have spent the day wading through bits of paper and marvelling at what people spend their money on. I was already worn out before work because DS2 came looking for me in the middle of the night complaining about bad dreams. Apparently a raven sat on his head and forced his face into the ground. Not sure why that required him share - you would think by now (he is 9) that he would have been passed night time roaming. And then this afternoon he needs his clean school uniform washed again - he had blobs of bird poo from the school field on his sweatshirt and shorts. Apparently everybody is covered in it. There is a certain justice to it except that the punishment has landed on me as I now have to wash and iron everything again and it was all clean on this morning.

I shall go and read the posts properly now. Have only managed to skim so far. Hope the rest of you are doing OK today.

Tis ok Rules, didn't want to sound harsh. Just wanted to be ensure this is an encouraging environment! :)

Thanks.

hi everyone!

rules no worries i didn't take it as criticism, as PM said himself you have to commit to this to make it work. it just seems like as soon as life happens it's the first thing to go... i'd like to get to the point where it's internalised so that i do it automatically & don't have to keep fighting he urge to scoff for taste not hunger/eat fast. like after i'd done CBT & was no longer attending sessions, i thought i'd sort of forgotten until doc pointed out to me i was doing it without thinking, it was just what happened when i had an unreasonable thought that i challenged it. but i've heard it takes 3 weeks to make a new habit, so i must be getting distracted before that point. meh. i so want this to work! thanks for the pleasurable tip, that's a good pointer. still no done EFT, been helping at sports day all day & now it's finished the sun's out!
PMA is positive mental attitude!

tin hello & welcome. it'll be nice having someone else doing it newly too. we can share in the advice of the old-timers who know what they're doing a bit more!