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The Paul McKenna Thread Number 12. A Simple Title, for Simple Weight Loss and All amongst Friends!!

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Solo · 19/05/2013 11:04

Welcome to thread 12 of the Paul McKenna's I Can Make You Thin weight loss system.

The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system are:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. After all, eating a meal is not a competition, it's about enjoying what you are putting in your mouth, but not feeling bloated and uncomfortable (or guilty) afterwards!
Many people have issues around food. Many of us have been brought up by the 'clear your plate' parents of yesteryear which leave us feeling guilty if we leave even the smallest morsel of food, but we are working through this guilt or any other hang up we may have, and we are learning to leave a bit on the plate; return to it another time if we really want to or even feed it to the dog or the bin!
So!! forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!! Let's get lighter for those summer clothes!

The Paul McKenna system really works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

You don't have to buy the book and CD, but we have found that they do help and somehow they keep you on track, so it would probably be a good investment and will cost you far less than a couple of trips to WW or SW meetings, so do consider having them in your life.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry ~ NO we're not!!! so come on in and start living your new life today and make 2013 your year to drop a dress size or several...if we can get into a smaller size for summer, just think how we could look for next Christmas!

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HadALittleFaithBaby · 05/06/2013 17:51

Well hello laydees. I appear to have fallen off the thread! Not too surprising with a tiny baby I guess. Not so tiny though, she is gaining well - weighed 8lb 6oz on Friday so had gained 3lb 2oz by 7 weeks! She feels chunkier now :)

I have determined to start Pauling properly again. I am getting exercise taking her out in the pushchair walking round the village. Has been good for me physically and psychologically. However I've been eating when I don't think I'm really hungry which I need to sort out. I managed to listen last night (my speakers on my phone are broken but I found headphones work). Today I have made better choices and snacked less. It really does make a difference!

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Rulesgirl · 05/06/2013 18:17

Hi Faith . Getting out with your baby really helps you feel better doesn't it. Whenever I had a rough day and walk to the park or the shops always refreshed me and put me in a more positive frame of mind. Are you still breastfeeding? Just wondered cause that can make you hungrier. Good on you for listening to the cd. They really help keep you on track don't they. Bet your enjoying the nice weather as your not stuck indoors with little one.

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BigBoobiedBertha · 05/06/2013 18:23

Yes, I reckon bf can mess with eating. I wonder if your body may even be telling you to keep fuelled up without being hungry? It probably isn't good to get too hungry when you have a baby to feed - not sure if that is true but so long as you aren't eating junk I think you have to trust your body to know best when it comes to feeding.

Rules - are you doing OU? The dreaded letters TMA stir deep seated, disturbing memories.

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HadALittleFaithBaby · 05/06/2013 19:09

Yes very pleased to say I'm still EBF :) I express for one bottle for the evening - DH comes in, we have tea then he does bath and bottle. I get 30 mins to myself!

Sadly I have been eating lots of junk! Far too much processed sugar. Yet today after Pauling I have eaten much better. For lunch I had a GF wrap - new from Warburtons! - with hoummous, carrot and cucumber. It was yummy! It's getting easier now Faithlet will settle in the bouncy chair while I eat!

Yes Rules it's lovely to get out. Didn't plan when I'd get pregnant but April birth is brilliant.

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BigBoobiedBertha · 05/06/2013 20:01

It is a lovely time of year for a baby - maximises the best bits of maternity leave.

Well done on expressing. I never managed it regularly - DS1 particularly didn't let up feeding long enough to let me properly recharge. Greedy child.

Still, I look at him today, well built, as tall as me even though he is only 12 and I am 5' 7" and not short and it was worth it. I built himGrin

I hope you are feeling proud of yourself, Faith. I think MN gives the impression that bf is more common than it really is. If your eating goes a bit awry, you are building a human too, don't beat yourself up and celebrate the good days like today. I am sure they will get more regular.

DH agrees with me on the choice of bricks by the way. He's going to tell the builders to ask me for payment when the time comes, let them know who really is boss Grin

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veryberrybug · 05/06/2013 22:15

hello, glad the summer weather's cheering folk up Smile

felt a bit uncomfortable with bb's comments about pp, i personally am eternally grateful for eating advice from her: she's never been pushy or giving unwanted promotion of blood type, but rather when someone has a problem she has gently suggested they might give it a go if they want to & see if it helps. it's just what you do when you find something that really works for you - you tell others because you'd like them to feel the same benefit you do. i think she did it in the nicest possible way. i feel sooo much better for leaving wheat out & i've found plenty of alternatives so it's not just about cutting out big groups of food. considering this thread is about having a healthy attitude to food, i think discussion of other health- & food-related topics is totally reasonable.

faith eat what you like when you're BFing, what with walking the buggy & making the best nosh in the world for faithlet you'll burn it all off! i did & easily returned to pre-pregnant thinness without effort & including all the baking available at mum & baby/toddler groups! my dad once told me wise words (& he was a good doctor & very wise!) "you can do without food for a bit, & you can do without sleep for a bit, but you cannot do without both" so while one's in short supply, don't worry about the other!

keep charging up your solar panels girls! Grin

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BigBoobiedBertha · 05/06/2013 22:43

OK. You are entitled to your opinion veryberry but it makes me uncomfortable. As I said to Rules I was happy to stay out of the way if people want to discuss diets on this thread but it isn't what it is about for me.

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Rulesgirl · 06/06/2013 00:10

Hi Ladies.

Very I think that BBB and some of the other ladies on here (who don't seem to be on any more) were and have been trying to do Pauling plain and simple. In that you do the four golden rules just as they are.
Its about getting away from talk about foods that are good for you or bad for you in any way. Its putting food in its rightful place which is eat when your hungry, eat what you want etc. To be honest the lovely pp talks about her Blood Group Diet all the time and from everything she has said it would seem that she has lost weight primarily from eliminating a lot of food from her woe for perceived health benefits to her. A lot of the time when someone mentions an ailment she tries to guess their blood type and suggests what to cut out. I for one love a bacon sandwich or a pork chop and it is offputting to be told that eating pig is like eating a human and that pork is the worse thing to eat out of all the meats. So to be fair, it is not really in the spirit of Paul McKenna I can make you thin is it? Im trying to eat like a normal slim person and lose the diet mentality that tells me to eat this and not eat that. Sorry if you feel offended but we are all entitled to our opinions I feel....you as well. There are quite a few ladies who have actually stopped using the thread because of all the talk of food eliminating and the blood group which is a shame because it is primarily a support thread for those of us who really really want this to work just the way it is. Smile

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BigBoobiedBertha · 06/06/2013 09:47

I think perhaps gluten intolerance deserves its own thread - I totally understand that going GF has health benefits for a few people and it would be very useful to talk about how to be GF in a world where gluten is everywhere.

However, you can't assume that going GF is the panacea of all ills because most people don't have an issue with it. Hell, when I had IBS years ago, before the children were born, the only thing that didn't make me feel worse was toast - anything meaty or dairy and even too much fruit and veg would give me horrible cramps. I managed to de-stress my life a bit, drank more fluids and eventually I got it under control. It had nothing to do with carbs and gluten and even now when it is well under control, if I start to feel under the weather, the first thing to drop is meat as it seems like too much work to digest iyswim.

I think the blood type thing is a separate issue and it is sold as a diet - I refer you to the first paragraph of the first page of the book which you can see on Amazon. It is about losing weight so I don't really think it has a place on this thread which is specifically about not dieting.For me the blood type thing doesn't work and besides, I don't think there is sufficient scientific evidence.

And yes Rules is right. It comes up all the time on this thread. Take a look over the thread as I did yesterday, because I wanted to see if I was making a fuss over nothing. Take out the social chit chat posts and have a look how much is about Pauling and how much is about GF and/or blood type - there is a lot of talk of blood types and GF.

And forgive me but this thread is not about health, it is about losing weight without dieting. Of course that has massive health implications but our primary motivation is losing weight which is why it is in this topic and not under a health.

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BigBoobiedBertha · 06/06/2013 09:53

I wish ppeat was here actually. I feel a bit bad this is coming out now when she is away. I had a big conversation with her last week about it but not on this thread and I think her view would be interesting. ppeat, if you are out there, I am not having a go at you at all. You are lovely but I feel like I don't fit on this thread any more despite the fact that I am Pauling and I am not alone in that. I just think we need to be clear that this thread is primarily about Pauling and not any other health issue or diet. You can't completely separate the two out but at the moment the balance is all wrong imo. You know this has come up in the past and it has been brilliant that we have been able to regroup and move forward with Pauling as the focus so I hope we can do it again.Smile

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Rulesgirl · 06/06/2013 13:00

Hi Ladies,
BBB I'm sure pp will be along soon to talk to us Grin
To be honest the talk of some foods being bad for us does derail me somewhat. I start to think about eliminating things again, but if I do that then I'm back to the food anguish diet mentality and I really want to get away from it. Some of you eliminating certain foods like wheat and dairy will definitely lose weight as most people who cut wheat out can lose water weight of ten pounds easily but that is what it is.

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Solo · 06/06/2013 14:09

Just marking my place til I can get back here. :)

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Rulesgirl · 06/06/2013 14:21

Solo.....Smile

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Rulesgirl · 06/06/2013 19:32

Very if you don't mind me asking, you said to Faith that you lost all your pregnancy weight.....can I ask how you put it on again then? What caused you to start gaining?

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Rulesgirl · 07/06/2013 14:50

IWell its another beautiful day here . Sun is shining....yay.....windows open.....sigh!!!!! I was finishing off an essay last night.....5am in the morning ....up all night doing it then DH came in off night shift and we watched the last ever episode of Mash on tv. I cried. Don't think I had ever seen the end before. Essay done and emailed to tutor. Then we went to bed. Just got up. ha ha!!!
Found I ate more yesterday......nothing major just nibbled more...bit mindlessly really....think it was the stress of doing the overdue essay and knowing that it had to be sent today that did it. Also I didn't eat proper meals at any time....just grazed and nibbled. When that happens my immediate reaction is "diet". What diet can I do to eat less....that sort of mentality. I don't go on one but its interesting how that is my brains first reaction before I give it a talking to. I lost 3lbs last week and this week is yet to be seen but think its about 1lb but of course that is good in the great scheme of things as it will keep coming off and eventually I will have lost half a stone and then a stone....as long as I don't go back to my old habits which derail me. Sometimes with this woe I get scared that im going to just go nuts and eat everything in sight because im eating very little at the moment...naturally with pauling. But of course that doesn't happen and as long as I listen to the cd, eat mindfully and don't start thinking of other ways to try and lose weight then it will work just as its meant too. The hardest bit with this woe is believing and sticking it out rather than going for the quick fix mentality or the leaving out certain foods method. In the past when I have left out food groups, yes I lost weight quickly but within weeks, sometimes days or even hours...you would find me craving a piece of bread or a chunk of cheese etc. So today is a new day and im not going to derail myself. he he!!! thanks for listening.

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BigBoobiedBertha · 07/06/2013 16:48

You sound in a good place today Rules - sun is shining, TMA finished (you didn't say what you were studying and I am nosey having done the OU TMA thing myself for far too long in the past), weight has been lost and eating going well. We can afford to eat less than perfectly occasionally. It won't derail us because we know if doesn't matter and next time we eat it will be better. You don't even have to wait until the next day to start again, you can just start again from now if you need to.

Always bear in mind that no matter how badly you go off the rails you need to eat an extra 3,500 calories to put on a lb in weight (I know we don't count calories but bear with me) which is over 1.5 days worth of food. You would have to stuff your face with a whole cheesecake to come close to eating a extra 1.5 days worth of food in addition to what you normally eat, and who can manage that?!! You can't do much damage to your weight by the odd episode of nuttiness so you can worry less about it and the urge to sabotage yourself will go away.

You must be knackered too so that isn't helping but tomorrow you will, hopefully, be less knackered and more mindful.

Congratulations on your losses. Hope the scales are kind to you. Smile

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Rulesgirl · 07/06/2013 17:33

Thank you so much BBB. Yep am tired and was actually thinking that its not fair and I should lose weight so much quicker. And then I was thinking that I should give up wheat and carbs etc etc etc. Nearly went down that bloody route but talked myself back in time cause that never ever has worked for me as I love bread too much. So my pep talk to myself helped but what you said really really really helped pull me back from the edge. So thankyou once again.
Im studying Business and Management. Who knows where it may lead yet but im taking it one tma at a time. What did you study with the OU?
Grin lol !

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BigBoobiedBertha · 07/06/2013 17:49

I did psychology Rules. You would think I would be more up for hypnotism thing as a result but no, I don't want my mind messed with. I can do that all by myself. Grin

I think it would be an interesting experiment to give ourselves permission to have every single thing we fancied regardless of whether we are hungry or not, for no other reason than we want it and it tastes nice. I really do reckon we would eat nothing or next to nothing extra to what we would normally. it is the forbidden-ness (is that even a word) that makes us want it so you are right not to ban stuff imo. GrinWink

I am knackered today too. Stupid cough was annoying last night. Every time I tried to lie down and go to sleep, it started. I was out today though - I am a governor and it was school's strategic planning meeting. We had lunch at the chair of governors' house. She provided a nice lunch but interestingly no bread or butter. Not often people don't try to fill you up with bread. There were a few crackers for some cheese but that was it. It was nice though.

Very low carb. Well apart from the sausage rolls and the quiche. Grin

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BigBoobiedBertha · 07/06/2013 17:51

Sorry, I meant my experiment as a one off, for one day, not for an indeterminate length of time. That would just eating the pre-Pauling way and not a good idea. Shock

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 07/06/2013 18:04

Hello! Rules PM'd me so I thought I would pop along and say hello.

BBB - I could do pretty serious damage to a cheesecake and still eat normal meals Grin

I'm doing ok, but back on antidepressants to deal with some horrible anxiety I've been having and my full signal has been switched off. When I was on ADs before was when I got really really heavy so I'm desperate for that not to happen again.

So - I will rejoin the thread and start listening to the CD again I think, I need to do something to focus, and the prospect of a holiday in 7 weeks time doesn't seem to be doing it, quite the opposite in fact.

I know we don't often talk numbers on here, but just for my own motivation - today I was 12 stone 13.

Faith - yay on the EBF :) I know you had a tough start so really well done! I do think that BFing interferes with Pauling to some extent, because it is an extra call on your calories, but IME it is still possible to see good steady (if slow) weight loss even when you have a young baby.

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Rulesgirl · 07/06/2013 18:24

Hi A glad your back. Need all the support we can get x

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Cupcake1982 · 07/06/2013 21:00

Evening ladies, hope you don't mind me joining you!
I have actually made an appearance here in the past but I just didn't give it enough time to be honest.
I am a very all or nothing person in all areas of my life and this is especially true with food!!
I have either been on or off a diet for the past 12 years and all that happens is I gain more and more weight!
When I have done pm in the past I have lost weight so I know it works :)
I was debating the original pm approach and the gastric band but to be honest when I tried the gastric band book at the start of the year it did nothing for me :(
I really need to do something about my relationship with food for good as it is so destructive.
I have been researching diets today and it just makes me feel so panicky, hence why I have ended up here as I know this is the most natural approach.
Any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated, Thank you :) x

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Rulesgirl · 07/06/2013 22:05

Hi Cupcake.....nice to hear from you. I remember you from earlier. I think the key to this is to not let the lure of the "diet" in any shape or form or "disordered eating methods" lure you back. I know how you feel, you think that your not losing enough, not quick enough etc etc so you look up diets and the one that you think you could stick to and the one that lets you eat what you like. Thing is though they all deprive you of food in one form or another. Whether its by counting calories or by removing a food group or starving one day and overeating the next. None of them are just eating like a normal person. And that is what we really want isn't it. To have a normal healthy non disorded view of food and put it back where it belongs....as a source of energy. Like you I have spent many many years....too many really.....thinking that if only I could just eat less then I will be the weight I want to be. But....that never worked. How many times do we have to "diet" before we realise that they just don't work. Not long term. You could cut out bread and drop water weight but you would then crave bread and gain the weight and some back again.

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SirRaymondClench · 07/06/2013 22:21

Just found you guys!
Hi everyone!
I am doing PM too. Last week I lost 3lb but this week everything seems to have ground to a halt.

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Rulesgirl · 07/06/2013 22:34

Hi Clench nice to see you on this thread as well Smile

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