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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

OP posts:
JustasmallGless · 21/01/2013 15:45

Oh God - BIWI is shouting, there is bold and every fink

I have STS which is hardly surprising given the alcohol consumption this weekend for various reasons.
I think I may change my weigh in day to Wed to give a better average. I always go up on a Monday after a weekend off work!

Bessie123 · 21/01/2013 16:00

Omg I have had massive dairy cravings all day. All I want is cream and cheese, I just ate half a goats cheese Camembert, oops. What is going on??

BlackAffronted · 21/01/2013 16:31

Have made the curried mince recipe that someone posted recently - smells lovely! Cant wait to tuck into a bowl after Zumba tonight. Having a snack of 2 ham slices and a tiny bit of cheese as I dont want to do Zumba (in an hour) on an empty tummy. Got dizzy last time!

skandi1 · 21/01/2013 16:42

Slatternly. You top and tail the celeriac assuming this hasn't already been done. Then cut the outer layer away as you would a butternut squash. You could use a peeler but cutting is easier.

Then you can make celeriac mash - cut into cubes boil strain and mash w double cream. Or you could make celeriac soup- boil cubed celeriac in stock for 20min then blend with splash of double cream. Or celeriac chips- cut into chip shapes roll in curry powder or seasoning of choice, lots of oil in oven tray and bake for circa 35mins on 200c fan oven or 220c conventional. And eat. Yum

Ruprekt · 21/01/2013 16:47

Am off to 80's aerobics! Tis so much more fun when you can sing along!

Kiriwawa · 21/01/2013 16:47

I have been very good so far but I'm not even a week in :o Also the battery has gone in my scales and I don't have any replacements in the house. If this woe is determined on exercise, then I'm going to get nowhere - I've been sat in front of my computer since 9am and won't move off it until gone 9pm this evening (deadline). Thankfully I have a brace of cold sausages and spinach takes seconds to cook.

I'm mourning the eggs benedict I was going to have this morning. Maybe tomorrow ...

BIWI · 21/01/2013 16:49

Don't worry if you aren't exercising - this WOE will still work for you!

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slatternlymother · 21/01/2013 16:55

Ooooh thanks skandi, I shall try the celeriac mash and report back later. Double or single cream?

Ruprekt · 21/01/2013 17:02

DOUBLE!!!!!

WillieWaggledagger · 21/01/2013 17:03

Exactly ruprekt Grin

Always double!

Ruprekt · 21/01/2013 17:05

oink oink!!!!!

Kiriwawa · 21/01/2013 17:25

That's very reassuring biwi, thanks :)

Lavenderhoney · 21/01/2013 17:35

Still no celeriac! Will have to get dh to go and get me some, but he asked if artichokes would do instead? Made roasted turnips for me - why does that made me think of black adder and baldrick? And roast pots for the kids in slices and they snaffled all my turnip!

B- none I am not hungry so have decided just to drink lots of water instead.
L- tomatoes, sardines in olive oil, mozzarella cheese, olives.
D- pan fried salmon in butter and pan fried John dory- but fried lots of fatty bacon in butter first, then cooked the dory in the juices and sprinkled bacon on top. Dd doesn't like salmon. With roasted turnip, sauted spinach leaves in butter and garlic.

No snacks. Not hungry:)

Another week of bootcamp for me, as quite a bit to lose to please the doctor. And myself of course...

sybilfaulty · 21/01/2013 17:47

I have put in tjis week but it cd be period related so am going to weigh again tomorrow to see if its an aberration or grim fact.

Well done to all losers and a hearty slap on the shoulder to non losers

colette · 21/01/2013 17:53

Black affronted - where is the curried recipe please ? Sounds good

GibbsGirl · 21/01/2013 17:55

BlackAffronted, I'd like that recipe too please!

NellVarnish · 21/01/2013 18:36

Thanks BIWI for the shiny new thread and willie for the SOF!

Just popped in briefly, will read up on the rest of the thread when I get peace damn kids. Hope everyone's ok.

2lbs off this week, was the hardest 2lbs I've ever lost - took ages before the scales moved, and I was a bit despondet at times. But not hungry.

B: Lidl yogurt with some sprinkles of instant coffee stirred in - yum - coffee yoghurt!
L: broccoli and stilton soup, celery and pate
D: salmon baked in foil with butter, roasted cauli in a little sesame oil

Do you think I'm getting the hang of it? Oh I nearly forgot, three samples of salami from the deli counter when I went in to buy some haggis earlier.

Lots of water.

blackaffronted I'd like the recipe too for whatever it is!

slatternlymother · 21/01/2013 18:37

I'm at that point in the diet now, where the new diet excitement has worn off and I'm feeling tempted in again. I think it's boredom tbh, rather than actual craving.

Plumping for sparkling water whilst the dinner cooks.

catinboots · 21/01/2013 19:00

I had a snow day today so I did some cooking,

I made Oopsie rolls and had two for lunch with pâté in them. Yum.

I also made Parmesan crisps which I've put in a little Tupperware pot for tomorrow - I've got a long car journey for work and that's when I get bored and crave crunchy stuff!

Dinner will be pork steaks.

NellVarnish · 21/01/2013 19:03

Oh I was like that last week slatternly. It's a horrid feeling. I had a couple of tablespoons of yoghurt with a spoonful of peanut butter stirred in just for something different. Twas lovely!

I read somewhere - might have been here - that drinking water from a sports water bottle top v. Evian style top makes you drink more water. How true it is I don't know but I glugged down 4 x 750ml Buxton's on Saturday. so it helped me a bit.

I've had loads more energy, just need to get a bit more adventurous with my recipes so I don't get bored, and also try meals that we can all eat. Seem to be spending a small fortune tho'.

It's really helping me having you lot here, much better than any WW meeting I ever went to so Thanks one and all!

NellVarnish · 21/01/2013 19:04

Oh yum, parmesan crisps sound nice catinboots!

SingingTunelessly · 21/01/2013 19:13

Everyone who is struggling please stick with it. Honestly, it's worth it. My story is that I was staring 12st in the face, underactive thyroid and in despair. BIWI's original thread popped up in Active so I clicked on it. Well, inspite of my Hmm face I started to follow. Ended up with me PMing the lovely BIWI with various questions (she was lovely btw).

I remember carb flu well. After four days of Bootcamp I thought I was DYING. Yuck.

Now I hover around the 9.6 mark, hair is good swishy, nails strong, skin no longer dry and my consultant is about to sign me off with a lower dosage of thyroxine than I went in with. Now that is a result, although trying to get that message across is another story with the health professionals ....

JustasmallGless · 21/01/2013 19:17

Nell it takes a while to settle into cooking family meals but I do a fish pie for all And top mine with cauliflower or swede or celeriac mash
I tend to put shallots in everything too instead of onions
Lots of soup at this time of year is very cheap and filling

slatternlymother · 21/01/2013 19:19

Mmm Parmesan crisps Smile I think I'll do some. Do you just grate some in little blobs and melt it in the oven? I might do some of those to take over to my friend's buffet birthday party on Saturday to take along.

Nell I know, I'm not too tempted, I just think about how well I feel now and how I don't want to go back to that feeling of sluggishness. I haven't cheated once, and I don't want to. Not really.

slatternlymother · 21/01/2013 19:21

Thank you singing it's so good to hear success stories, it really is! Congratulations, I bet you look amazing Smile

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