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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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skandi1 · 21/01/2013 14:07

Slatternly. Yes to eating my way through it.

Sadly DS is 18 months so I am losing hope of ever getting enough sleep to feel normal.

I avoided nuts as I thought they were banned. But if I can eat a few nuts then snack problem sorted.

KoKoBear · 21/01/2013 14:09

Well done everyone on your losses. I'm 2 lbs down this week which is amazing as I fell off the wagon a bit last week. I was 143 on Thursday and back up to 145 on Saturday. I think I got carried away with how easy this is and was sneaking the odd bit of chocolate that my mother had brought when she visited. Went super strict on Saturday and Sunday and back to 143 again - Phew! Think I'll have to do 1 more bootcamp week as penance! ;)

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 21/01/2013 14:19

Biwi - my head knows choc peanuts aren't good but my heart loves them unfortunately. It only gets the better of me very rarely now these days.

I'm on a really tight budget at the moment so food is really boring. Breakfasts usually eggs, sometimes a rasher if bacon and a few mushrooms.
Lunch is either a couple of pork belly strips or some value mozzarella and ham drizzled with oil.
Dinner is usually a homemade carbonara sauce with cheese, double cream and a bit of bacon over a plate of cauliflower, broccoli, sautéed cabbage and mushrooms if there are any.
I tend to snack on Brie as its cheap and yummy though am trying to cut back.
I do have at least half a dozen cups if tea with d/cream and could easily have twice as many. Usually drink at least 1.5 litres of water too, constantly need a wee these days.
It's not even that I'm properly hungry a lot of the time tho its more that I just want to pick (usually something sweet or crisps or a biccie) and I haven't felt like this for ages. It's almost like the lc effect is wearing off.

Any advice or help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 21/01/2013 14:22

Is it possible that I need to up my carbs a bit and maybe reintroduce fruit? Has my body just got too used to it so that's it.

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 21/01/2013 14:29

Oops sorry blackaffronted Blush

KoKo - I am joining you in the extra Bootcamp week as penance as fell off the wagon completely the very first weekend (mother visiting for birthday and huge family feast).

Flaxseed is great for any lowcarb baking. Also I used to use soya flour (often would mix flax, soya and almond together to replace flour), but that was when I was doing a less intensive lowcarb diet, so I'm not sure if it's OK for bootcamp lite. Not sure how carby the soy flour would be. Will look into it.

Skandi and was someone else also asking about nuts - they're not OK on Bootcamp, just Bootcamp lite (but in moderation, so go easy on them!) So sorry to hear you're not being able to sleep - it really is torture - hope he's sleeping through soon.

Ilisten2theradio · 21/01/2013 14:46

I confess I have also had several MIM's as I remebered seeing the recipe last year. I need the linseed too Blush from time to time. The important thing to remember though is to take lots and lots of water with it. The whole linseeds I bought say on the box to take one tablespoon with 2 glasses of water, so if you grind them up you need to remember to do the same for the equivalend amount.
Also if you buy whole cracked seeds then they pass through your stomach undigested and swell up in your colon ( again according to the box). It is possible to tip a tablespoon of them into your mouth and swallow them down with water if you don't want to be drinking gel stuff or making MIM's with them ( or stir them into youghurt etc)

BIWI · 21/01/2013 14:48

Lavendersblue

There is no 'lc effect'! And so you don't need to introduce more carbs; you can introduce some fruit (berries only, please) or some nuts if you like - just keep an eye on how much. Maybe in place of that Brie, because it strikes me that you are eating a lot of dairy, and it could be this which is impeding weight loss for you. Try cutting it out for a few days and see what happens.

You're also eating a lot of processed meat - bacon and ham - instead of fresh, unprocessed meat. I appreciate you are on a budget, but can you not buy something cheap like mince? Or lamb breast (Sainsbury's do it as part of their Basics range, and it's very cheap).

And your tea habit could also be problematic, especially as you're drinking it with cream - yet more dairy.

And why only 1.5 litres of water? The minimum is 2 per day. Swap some of your tea for water and job done.

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colette · 21/01/2013 14:49

1lb off for me - think I was getting a bit complacent . Will try harder this week.
This thread is hugely supportive Smile

Ruprekt · 21/01/2013 14:54

Been to Aldi, Sainsbo and Waitrose today. I am stocked up!! Grin

Got FF Greek style yog from Aldi but forgot to check carbs and it is 6.2g per 100g yog. Shock Bit cross as I bought 3 pots! Will still eat it though.

Got

savoy cabbage
2 x caulis
broccoli
2 x celeriac

Tonight we are having chilli with beans removed, cauli rice, sour cream and avocado.

Also bought belly strip which DH is going to cook and I am going to eat all of it! Love pork crackle!

Meals this week

chilli with cauli rice
Savoy cabbage with cheese, celeriac and cream
Chicken with celeriac mash and broccoli
Pork belly with veggies
Ham, egg and celeriac chips
Type of moussaka - need to check recipe.

BIWI · 21/01/2013 14:59

Ahem

It seems to me that there is quite a bit of slipping off the wagon going on here. Whilst some people have seen brilliant losses, there is also a bit of dissatisfaction that some of you haven't lost as much as you hoped for, or even that you have put weight on.

Let me explain what happens when you cheat. To do that, I need to describe what happens when you eat carbohydrate:

When we eat carbohydrates, the body converts them into glucose. It is the responsibility of the pancreas to release a hormone called insulin to deal with this glucose. The insulin does three things:

  1. It moves the glucose in your blood stream into your body?s cells for immediate energy (think of that sudden boost you get when you eat a biscuit or a piece of chocolate)

  2. It transports what is left into the liver, which converts excess energy into glycogen, which is stored in the liver and the muscles, readily accessible for future energy needs

  3. Once the glycogen stores are full, what is left over is converted to fat

So when we're low carbing, the first thing that happens is that we use up our glycogen stores. Typically this accounts for around 3-7lbs. That, plus lost water weight plus a little bit of fat is why the first week on low carbing can see such large losses.

However, if you suddenly cheat and introduce a lot of carbs again, you are topping up your glycogen stores. Which is why you can apparently gain a lot of weight very quickly

It's really important in the first two weeks to make sure that your body has switched efficiently from carb-burning to fat burning. If you cheat, you're switching back and forward between the two.

That's why, if you cheat during Bootcamp, you should really return to Bootcamp and complete the full two weeks.

PLEASE READ THE RULES OF BOOTCAMP AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU REALLY ARE FOLLOWING THEM. IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THEM, THEN YOU WON'T LOSE WEIGHT!

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slatternlymother · 21/01/2013 15:01

Yes skandi you can on bootcamp light, I wouldn't know much about how much you can have etc, but as I said, those M&S ones are in handy little pods and probably contain about a handful so I'd assume that's about right?

Trying to think of something to do with celeriac. I don't even know how to prepare it.

It's just sat in the fridge, looming at me. Confused

RatherBeOnThePiste · 21/01/2013 15:02
BIWI · 21/01/2013 15:03

Ruprekt - lovely moussaka from the Idiot Proof Diet on the recipe thread

slatternly - ditto recipes for celeriac on the recipe thread

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Ilisten2theradio · 21/01/2013 15:03

Feels suitably chastised.... and slopes of to hide in the corner..... Smile

BIWI · 21/01/2013 15:04
Grin
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Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 21/01/2013 15:04

Ok thanks Biwi. Looks like I may have slipped into some bad habits since Xmas and I need to step back a bit.

Food has been very restricted because tbh in addition to a tight budget, I am also cooking for DC who seem to have decided that they all like different things and no one is willing to compromise. It got so I was throwing away so much good food I got fed up and have been cooking just what I know they'll eat which I know is not the way to go ( can't live on tomato soup and pasta alone fgs).

Will up my water too.

BIWI · 21/01/2013 15:06

Do you want to borrow my big stick, Lavendersblue?! Grin

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EwanHoozami · 21/01/2013 15:17

RE flax - I discovered that I couldn't tolerate it. It made me bloated and gave me an itchy mouth and hives Shock and I'm not intolerant to any other foodstuff.

Ruprekt · 21/01/2013 15:19

Ewan - those cream cheese pancakes were fab!!!

I did a mix of cream cheese and ricotta (as it was in the fridge) with 2 eggs. Beat hard with a whisk and fried them in butter.

DH had his with ham and butter and I one with butter and one with double cream

Delishus!!!!

Ruprekt · 21/01/2013 15:22

Please Miss, DH and I have not cheated or slipped off the wagon at all. We have drunk lots of water.

As a result, Miss, I have lost 11 lbs and DH has lost about 9lbs. (he forgot to weigh this morning so will do it tomorrow)

So, please can I get a sticker Miss.

prettybird · 21/01/2013 15:24

Sooooo chuffed - down to 12stone 4lb, which means a loss of another 5lb this week, making 12lb in total! :):)

I recognise that this rate of loss won't continue - but I'm daring to hope that my unrealistic target of being under 12 stone by 7 February might actually be achievable! Shock --to be fair, that target was written before I put all the extra weight on over Christmas.

Am planning on staying on full Bootcamp with occasional Bootcamp Lite at weekends and a planned "cheat" this coming Friday (Burns Night).

cathyandclaire · 21/01/2013 15:26

Girly Swot!!
carefully hides old chinese takeaway cartons

Actually well done, that's brilliant!!! Grin

Ruprekt · 21/01/2013 15:27

Miss!!!! cathyandclaire cheated!!!! Misssssssss!!!!!!!

Wink
Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 21/01/2013 15:38

Ooh yes please Wink.

I need to get back into proper bootcamp mode. It feels so good when its all going well but just need to resist the urge to drown my sorrows in chocolate when it's not, it's a slippery slope and I don't want to fall so far that getting up looks impossible.

Ffs I've only put on a couple of pounds, what a drama queen I'm being, lots of people have so much more to lose and have to stay strong for much longer. I need to get a grip!

slatternlymother · 21/01/2013 15:43