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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

OP posts:
BlackAffronted · 21/01/2013 11:43

Thanks Bessie! I definitely need a "cleanse" Grin

Iamaslummymummy · 21/01/2013 11:43

Flax seed it is then Grin although "colon cleanse" has an appeal all of its own Grin

I an studying here with a yard of Jaffa cakes next to me. My very favorite biscuit apart from fig rolls but I'm just not interested. This woe is a miracle!

GuyMartinsSideburns · 21/01/2013 11:52

I forgot to weigh this morning so I shall do it first thing tomorrow, sorry! Im definitely noticing a difference in measurements though, and feeling better for it so Im cracking on! Grin

This morning I had half an avocado with olive oil, some leftover roast chicken from yesterday, and a dollop of mayonnaise. Im simmering the carcass to make a soup for dinner, and Im going to have a big salad for lunch but not sure what with yet!

Well done everyone, keep going!

NoveltySlippers · 21/01/2013 11:53

Slummymummy Linwood's do some great ground flaxseed mixes. You can buy them from Holland and Barratt and big supermarkets. You store the pack in the fridge once opened and have to use it up in six weeks, so I normally freeze some in bags as I can't use up the whole lot in that time.

In this format it tastes lovely and I add it to porridge (when I ate porridge), soups, casseroles and stir fries. I get the one that's mixed in with goji berries. I think there's even one that's mixed in with cocoa (though I expect that's verboten on this WOE!!).

slatternlymother · 21/01/2013 11:54

BIWI Oh no I'm really happy with the overall loss in this 2 weeks; I feel great for it! I was just wondering why it had gone down so much this week; I was hoping for nearer 4lbs. But then, I suppose you can't lose it all that fast, or everyone would be doing it!

Working out at lunchtime with my friend, so I had lunch of a bacon and cheese salad with a couple of dollops of mayonnaise. Breakfast was ff natural yoghurt and dinner will be something chickeny.

BlackAffronted · 21/01/2013 12:25

Choos, Im sadly nowhere near 88 pounds! Im using a countdown from 100 as far too embarassed to put in my real wieght. Ill be Bootcamping for at least a year yet.

NewStartSameStory · 21/01/2013 12:29

I think a lot of people have found a mssive loss the first week and then a more realistic loss the second. Anything over 2lbs loss per week is considered a huge loss. It's kinda easy to forget that sometimes.

ALso who keeps breaking mn?

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Stylelostinlabour · 21/01/2013 12:41

Just checking in will update spreadsheet later - only stayed the same on week 3 but I have been to a wedding this weekend so expected to have gained loads.

Well done all on loses

ShebaQueen · 21/01/2013 12:41

Morning all, I am another 2lbs down, yay! Struggled yesterday and couldn't stop thinking about toast and chocolate but managed to resist. I am planning to continue with bootcamp for now because I have so much weight to lose.

Well done to all losers and hugs to those who haven't.

Ilovemyteddy · 21/01/2013 12:45

Flaxseeds - Linwoods mixes are great, but check the carb count if you buy one with nuts or fruit in it.

I think there is a recipe on the recipe thread for muffin in a minute which is made with flax seeds. They should be regarded as an occasional treat because they can stall you. I have one every so often when I need to get my inner workings moving Grin

There is also a pizza recipe with a flaxseed base which is gorgeous for Bootcamp Lite (again be aware that it can stall you.)

Bessie123 · 21/01/2013 12:51

Linwoods flaxseed mixes are also great for coating and frying things instead of breadcrumbs

BIWI · 21/01/2013 12:56

skandi1 - I see what you mean about the need for lie-ins! There is a reason why sleep deprivation is used as a torture method ... Grin

I'm a bit puzzled, though, as to why you 'need' snacks. If you're following this WOE properly, you won't need to snack. You won't be hungry between meals. Honest! Plenty of fat with your meals will ensure this.

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Collywibbles · 21/01/2013 12:58

Well done to all those with loses this week. I have stayed the same this week which I kind of expected as I am back on steroids for my UC and they make me feel yuck.

Food wise I have been fine this week - I need to watch my water though - I have been waking up feeling very "dry" iykwim.

I treated myself to some Total yogurt for breakfast today - isn't it lovely and creamy - yum!

L - cold salmon / cucumber / avocado / mayo
T - Chicken thighs / cauli mash / spinanch

skandi1 · 21/01/2013 13:07

BIWI. Torture indeed! Roll on to when DS is 13 and wants to sleep all day. I will be there to wake him Grin

I guess I am afraid that if I leave the house without a snack, I will then suddenly be hungry and end up buying and eating biscuits like a sugary twat. And when I take the snacks I end up eating them. What can I say park and soft play are fairly boring if you are over the age of ten. Also a big part is being so unbelievably tired. I try to feel more awake by eating something. It keeps me going.

I guess I can't make real head way on any part of my life (what life?) until that little sod sleeps at night!Sad

WillieWaggledagger · 21/01/2013 13:14

flaxseed stalls me but i do have it from time to time - these flaxseed crackers are delicious with cheese, i made some at christmas and they were so popular i hardly got any!

FurryDogMother · 21/01/2013 13:15

I've been avoiding sausages until today, because most of them have rusk in - but spotted Jimmy's Farm sausages in Tesco's - 0.3g carb per sausage, and have just eaten 2 with my breakfast. Very yummy (though not cheap). Just thought I'd let you lot know!

herecomesthsun · 21/01/2013 13:16

Am bfing my 11 mo dd; I think bfing mums sometimes do snack more. Today had 2 eggs w pepper Boursin, 2h later ff yoghurt with a few raspberries mmm, 2h later 3 rashers bacon and 1/2 doz mushrooms, then some chicken Caesar salad. Also several almond coffees (mostly decaf) and 1/2 gallon weak yoghurt with water.

WillieWaggledagger · 21/01/2013 13:17

skandi you poor thing, torture is the right word

babybel or similar individually packaged cheeses are my portable snacks of choice for when i'm travelling for work and can't be sure when mealtimes will be

slatternlymother · 21/01/2013 13:25

skandi you're right it's the worst thing Sad massive sympathy for you. I think I ate my way through the first few weeks with DS, and luckily after that things get better. You are being a superstar following this WOE! How strong you are!

Yes, Babybels are fab and don't have little bits that come off and scuttle away into the farthest reaches of your handbag I also like pepperami (sorry BIWI) And M&S do some excellent little pots of nuts; 2 for £1 or something like that, so worth checking out? They're usually next to the checkouts.

I also find sparkling water really fills a gap in a rumbly tummy for a little while; and served nice and cold it definately peps you up a little bit.

Boobz · 21/01/2013 13:49

Hello all! I have lost another measley lb this week, taking me to 111 (at least the OCD side of me likes all the 1s!) I swear my body is actively refusing to lose weight now that I am so near my target of 110. I have built muscle though, so I am probably losing and gaining at the same time. I had a couple of blips last week (including chocolate fondant - argh!) but am really pushing myself this week as Saturday is the completion of my P90X (90 days of home-DVD exercise, similar to shred, I think, but with more weights) and my final Day 90 photos so want to look my thinnest!

Well done to all losers. We are about to move house next week (from Kenya back to the UK) so am hoping that the cold weather doesn't make me want to eat loads of carby stuff! It's very easy to eat salads here when it's 30 degrees every day.. .

Turkeytwangers · 21/01/2013 13:52

I'm another 2 lbs off this week but I also started my period today and my stomach feels significantly podgier.

So far,

B - 2 boiled eggs, lemon and ginger tea
D - Tuna mayo salad with avocado, baby gem, radish, cucumber, tomatoes

I've nearly done 2 ltrs of sparkling water and had 3 fruit teas.

I'm thinking of doing a combo of bootcamp Ff an L like most people here. Maybe chuck a few berries throughout the week if I'm getting bored at breakfast.

QuickLookBusy · 21/01/2013 13:58

Hello everyone.

I've lost a pound this week, am happy with it as I started my period today and usually feel very bloated. Today my stomach is looking much flatter!

Today I have eaten so far-

1 slice of bacon, fried mushrooms and 1egg.
Mackerel salad with some humous and olives.
Not sure about dinner yet.

Iamaslummymummy · 21/01/2013 14:01

Thanks for the linseed advice.

I must confess that I had some before I asked! I bought the aldi version with goji berries. I made a mim (muffin in a minute) in the microwave for breakfast. Various recipes all over the net. It was delicious half spread with cream cheese, half with with peanut butter.

2 x boiled egg, tuna in olive oil with Mayo and salad with olive oil and lemon

Chili con Carne with no beans, cauliflower rice, guacamole and sour cream for dinner. Not had cauliflower rice yet. Could be hard to convince dh but worth a try!

bulletwithbutterflywings · 21/01/2013 14:04

1lb off for me, a little disappointed but a loss is a loss! Can someone update the spreadsheet for me please? I can't access it on my phone and my internets is broke at home Sad
Going to continue with bootcamp until the w/e as we are at friends and I don't know what we will be eating! And I imagine Ill be back on bootcamp after.

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