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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

OP posts:
Doshusallie · 27/01/2013 18:58

Sorry about your news Jac. Glad you are all pulling together so well. Big hug.

Sounds like a very informative day biwi!!

JustasmallGless · 27/01/2013 19:08

Jacs, am so sorry for your loss. Thoughts are with you And your family.hope the next few days go as well as can be expected.

Valdeeves · 27/01/2013 19:26

My shopping list always includes shallots and celeriac - though I think I am now finally sick of celeriac - going to have a break I think.
I also get lots of butter, double cream and full fat yoghurt.
Things I have bought to make food exciting are:
chilli flakes but I have a huge herb collection and that helps - parsley goes well with butter as does sage. I recently bought se blue cheese for burgers?
I think mixing up the meat and fish as much as possible helps. And keep lots of variety in your veg - I've had kale, two varieties of cabbage, courgette, shallots, spinach, watercress, rocket to name a few - things I wouldn't have really eaten so regularly.
I also buy in tons of sparkling water and unsweetened almond milk for tea.
Blackaffronted - food porn! Ha ha ha

Valdeeves · 27/01/2013 19:28

Jac - hope you and your family are ok.

BIWI - hope it was fun with Dr Briffa - would love to hear about it!

It is freezing cold here - I need a hot water bottle!

NoveltySlippers · 27/01/2013 19:31

Valdeeves I second the sparkling water. Am consuming vats of the stuff at the moment. Funny as I used to dislike the stuff; now I think of it as a treat! I've just ordered 12 small bottles for the week. (I take them into work with me, and find I let the big ones go flat. They're cheap if you buy an own brand range though.)

NoveltySlippers · 27/01/2013 19:33

What are people's thoughts on using single cream instead of double?

I know that we need to max out our fats, but this week I was starting to find double a bit too rich. Has anyone substituted double with single?

catinboots · 27/01/2013 19:55

Today:

B: Bacon, scrambed eggs and mushrooms cooked in butter with a tsp of brown sauce

L: Celeriac chips with salt, vingear and mayonnaise

D: Courgetti carbonara

BIWI · 27/01/2013 19:58

I've posted asking for another webchat with Dr Briffa

Please can you go and add your support too?

OP posts:
NoveltySlippers · 27/01/2013 20:08

Done!

SavoirFaire · 27/01/2013 20:10

Will do BIWI thanks. Glad you had a nice day.

Jaca so sorry about your news. I hope DH is doing ok.

So today:
B: Scrambled egg and bacon
L: Big green salad with kale, broccoli, spinach and some celeriac mash
D: Black farmer sausages, courgette dauphinois and broccoli

Am having some wine, sorry! Was 2 lb down on the week this morning, (down three, then up one). Am hoping to still show a loss tomorrow morning. We will see.

BlackAffronted · 27/01/2013 20:19

Novelty, single cream is higher in carbs.

NoveltySlippers · 27/01/2013 20:22

Hmm, much higher I wonder?

Maybe I should just use a lot less of the double cream. Or perhaps creme fraiche instead?

NoveltySlippers · 27/01/2013 20:30

Just read that single cream is also unable to withstand as high temperatures as double cream, and is more likely to curdle!

Right - back to double cream for me! I'll just use a bit less of it.

NellVarnish · 27/01/2013 20:47

Oh jac that's so sad, I hope you're all doing ok - well as ok as can be expected. [hug]

jan2013 · 27/01/2013 20:57

Jac so sorry to hear of your loss and really glad that you and your dh are looking after each other and pulling together - thinking of you

Biwi so glad you had a good time with Briffa and got to meet low carbers from here as well how lovely :)

unfortunately i have also fallen 'off the wagon' as they would say; - i was very anxious while waiting for dh to bring dd home and when he didn't come on time i thought it would help to eat the rest of the 200g bag of nuts. so today that brings my carb count nearly as high as my protein, and my fat count is double that - just have to get back on track before i make things any worse!

oliviafrombolivia · 27/01/2013 21:00

chicken in a tarragon cream saucer (with fresh tarragon) is gorgeous. With a small amount of dijon mustard, very easy too.

MrsHoolie · 27/01/2013 21:03

Anyone else not pooing much?

I am taking psyllium husk capsules as recommended in IPD.

I haven't been for four days (sorry tmi).

PinkPeanuts · 27/01/2013 21:09

Hi All,

Today was my first day fully on track :) Pretty boring on the food front but nothing naughty so thats good enough for me :) I have slacked on the water front though. Must do better tomorrow.

B: Cream Cheese Pancake with grated cheddar

L: Prawns in a creamy pesto and garlic sauce

D: Roasted Chicken Wings and Mediterranean veggies

S: Small handful of raw cashews

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 27/01/2013 21:10

Jac I am so sorry to hear of your loss - such a tough time for your family - be easy on yourself you need to be strong for DH - even if it's expected it's still really hard when it finally happens.

Have been (except for wine) on wagon all weekend until ten minutes ago when DH proudly presented me with his home-grown beetroot - argh - he was so proud and happy about it that I couldn't turn it down. Any amount of cake, biscuits, pasta, no problem. But his beetroot, after woeful summer when the slugs ate everything - just couldn't bring myself to piss on his bonfire. Sorry guys. Will drink a lot of water tomorrow!

Yesterday:

B: the cream cheese pancakes with cinnamon, vanilla powder, sour cream and berries
L: Sushi (but out. Am sure the seaweed salad had sugar in the dressing. It's funny, it never tasted sweet to me before, but didn't like it at all yesterday)
D: out with friends to Byron - skinny beef burger with blue cheese and extra salad (again, burger could well have had flour to bind - eating out is a bit of a minefield)

Today:
B: the pancakes again, with smoked salmon and sour cream
L: leftover roast chicken with mayo and buttered spinach
S: pork scratchings
D: DH's beetroot with halloumi; then he is doing salmon in buttery sauce for main and we are drinking champagne

halfthesize · 27/01/2013 21:22

Support added BIWI

thenightsky · 27/01/2013 22:15

MrsHoolie me too Blush

I reckon i've barely 'been' for 3 weeks now. Perhaps that's why I haven't lost much weight this week.

NellVarnish · 27/01/2013 22:19

BIWI added my support too.

MrsHoolie - nor me Blush. And I'm as regular as clockwork.

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 27/01/2013 22:21

Yup also been going less, and used to be regular as anything. And the first week my tummy was very dodgy too, but then settled down.

Ruprekt · 27/01/2013 22:22

Another good day.

I agree about the sparkling water. Lidl have big bottles of it for 17p!! Tis lovely.

B - 2 hb eggs with butter
L - HM broccoli and stilton soup
D - Crackled belly pork which had cooked in stock for 3 hours and then roasted on a high temp to get the crackle. Mashed celeriac, cauliflower cheese Lcarb which DH said was nicer than the usual one I make, broccoli and sprouts. Am so full.

JustasmallGless · 27/01/2013 22:24

BIWI have added my thoughts to the web chat begging thread!

In relation to the poo issue - my thoughts are that once your body has adjusted that you don't get rid of the same waste which your body doesn't need ie your body doesn't need all the carbs/sugars/crap.

Therefore when you are eating clean you don't need to "go" as much.

I know that IPD recommend the psyllium husk capsules but unless you are feeling massively constipated or have bowel issues I really would recommend lots of water and just letting your body work it out