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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

OP posts:
LavenderBriggs · 26/01/2013 14:38

Thanks Willie, if you put me on I could put my start weight and two latest weigh ins. I really want to join in Smile

LavenderBriggs · 26/01/2013 14:41

^ fastest change of mind. Ever.

WillieWaggledagger · 26/01/2013 14:58

fab, lavender - you're in there in alphabetical order. pop your start date in too

LavenderBriggs · 26/01/2013 15:03

Thanks Willie .

barleywood · 26/01/2013 15:40

Lavender...I'm sort of maintaining too. Lightest I have been for decades after six months or so on this WOE.

Like Willie it keeps me accountable...sort of.

mumat39 · 26/01/2013 15:51

Wow Willie! Between us we've lost a whole person!

Congrats to Kiriwawa and lavenders blue!

BIWI · 26/01/2013 16:11

That's brilliant, Willie!

And very, very wise words from Jacaqueen. So wise, I'm going to post them again, in bold!:

Some of you will not lose weight this week.
Some of you will not lose weight next week.
All of you will lose weight eventually.

Patience is the watchword. We are in this for the long haul, not looking at the day-by-day.

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LavenderBriggs · 26/01/2013 17:03

Thanks Barley, that makes sense.

B - I'm having scrambled eggs with a grilled mushroom and some ham, with a coffee with cream
L- Mainly salads with mayonnaise, or celery filled with cream cheese or no-sugar-added peanut butter - with some flaxseed
D - DH has made a big batch of moussaka - have added it all into Myfitness pal and it's 10 grams of carbs per portion

Snacks - have realised I haven't had a snack for at least 3 days. Might have a pudding of FF yoghurt with flaxseed.

More glasses of water than I've ever had in my life, plus tea (one teabag to a pint of water with oat milk).

Doshusallie · 26/01/2013 17:11

So far today I have eaten:

175g total full fat yog
Pint of water, pint of berrocca, decaf tea with splash of milk
2 boiled eggs
Decaf Coffee with cream
2 breakfast muffins (low carb recipe section - breakfast frittatas)
1 baby bel
2 celery sticks one with brie one with pate
4 slices of salami, 1 brazil nut (a stray)
2 more pints of water

I have made bologonese Cornish pasties and a banana, apricot and hazelnut cake. No sampling.

Lots of small meals so far. Fatal being around the house so much, I just graze and graze.

EwanHoozami · 26/01/2013 17:46

Yes, folks. Do not be dispirited by the week 3/4 stall. It might not happen to you at all, and if it does it is definitely temporary!

B: Lidl yog
L: chorizo, feta and roast broccoli salad
D: spinach omelette

I'm off out tonight with the gurls for the first time for ages. NONE of my 'going out' clothes fit, they are all too big. Which is very nice and all, but I have ended up wearing a pair of DH's skinny black jeans and my entire wardrobe is on the floor.

sneaks out before he notices

SavoirFaire · 26/01/2013 18:10

Evening l. Ewan I hope your DHs jeans are in better condition than mine's would be!!

Today
B: scrambled egg with spinach and bacon
L: veggie soup
S: some peanut butter
D: chicken thighs and leg with braised cabbage and spinach. FF yogurt for pud.

Oh and weight hadn't yet gone up despite pasta incident, however I am having a little wine tonight.

Valdeeves · 26/01/2013 18:33

I'm stuffed after tonight's tea!

Breakfast: chicken omelette
Lunch: handful of spinach
Tea: roast chicken in sage and garlic butter with shallots, cabbage and cauliflower dauphinois, wilted spinach and kale in chilli butter. Soooo nice.
Had some tea with almond milk and water but will start my water drinking tonight.
Mumat39 - I haven't fallen off the wagon yet!

ShebaQueen · 26/01/2013 18:51

Hello everyone, thanks as always for the encouraging messages.

B = cream cheese pancakes with bacon
L= prawn cocktail and salad
D = soup then poached salmon with loads of buttered veg

Masses of water, I'm definitely better at keeping this up now!

Have a good evening Smile

Doshusallie · 26/01/2013 18:58

Valdeeves how do you make cauliflower dauphinoise?

Ruprekt · 26/01/2013 19:05

I am going to Zizzi for lunch in a few weeks. just checking out their website and menu.

Do you think this would be ok?

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Beetroot and buffalo ricotta marinated in lemon. Oven-roasted asparagus, artichoke and rocket. Pumpkin seeds scattered hither and thither. Dough sticks sit on the side.

Without the dough sticks obviously.

OR
Pork Belly

Crisp slow-roast belly of pork on spring greens sautéed in garlic butter.

OR

Have a look and choose for me!

Ilovemyteddy · 26/01/2013 19:13

Just to add to the "some of you will not lose weight' in weeks 3 and 4 - I lost 10lbs in weeks 1 and 2 and NOTHING until week 5. There is some serious adjusting going on in your bodies and you just have to keep the faith. The weight will come off. Promise.

I'm on week 54 now and am still losing.

Interesting article in the Times magazine today by Mimi Spencer about weightloss and how society's view of what is attractive has changed over the years (compare Marilyn's hourglass figure to Kate Moss). She also talks about our weight expressing who we are (in our minds) and that this starts in puberty and then we carry around this view of ourselves - we define ourselves by our weight. Fascinating stuff.

DangerousMouse · 26/01/2013 19:15

I had the biggest test of my willpower today, it's my DS birthday and we went to London, my DP decided it would be nice to go to the Haagen Daaz restaurant for lunch!

My DP got stuck into an ice cream cocktail as well as 3 scoops of ice cream, waffles and caramel sauce, DS had ice cream and sauce (plus loads of DP's) and I had a coffee with a little milk (had already had an eggy thing which I took with me)

It was this thread which kept me on the straight and narrow, I didn't want to report back that I had cheated, I wanted to come and tell you all how I resisted, to be honest, it wasn't that hard, I wasn't that bothered I couldn't have any Grin

DoingItForMyself · 26/01/2013 19:20

Hello! Haven't been posting all my menus on here as I am being a bit naughty with sweeteners and the occasional nut but had to share my amazingly successful beef curry recipe.

I had made a separate 'non-low-carb' alternative for the DCs but the low carb one was so tasty they all wanted ours instead. My DP was actually properly impressed, as in "I was practising my 'mmm lovely' face just in case, but it is REALLY delicious!"

I used finely sliced leeks, celery, finely chopped mushrooms and stewing steak as the base, sauteed in olive oil. I added a teaspoon each of crushed fennel, cumin & coriander seeds, garam masala, chilli and madras powder, which appeared to thicken the sauce (the DCs was mostly the same ingredients but without the spices and it needed a tsp of cornflour to thicken it).

I shared a carton of passata between the two different stews (slightly more in theirs to make me feel better!) and topped up with water to cover, then put in the oven for a couple of hours and served with that magical cauli rice (buttered), broccoli and a dollop of thick greek yoghurt (Costco one - its delish)

Apparently it needs to go on the 'once a week' list! Hope you enjoy it as much as we did if you try it.

DoingItForMyself · 26/01/2013 19:23

Well done, that's amazing DM! Not sure I could have resisted temptation, but hopefully after a few more days (I'm day 5) I will have your willpower!

Doshusallie · 26/01/2013 19:30

Strong work dangerous mouse!!!!!

Lavenderhoney · 26/01/2013 19:43

Well done kiriwawa and lavenders blue:)

I have been very good all day: lots of water only and

B- bacon and mushrooms
L- amazing fish soup thing made by dh with homemade aioli
D- was to be dh special LC lamb stew but a surprise evening awaited! So it's in the fridge for tomorrow.

Dh had arranged aperitif at a friends who is a wine master and world class sommelier. Decided to enjoy it and not stress. Went very well in the end as was flapping about offending - manged to avoid to much by messing with dc:)
So- Champagne ( 2 glasses) amazing white wine(small glass) red wine ( 2 small glasses) and a cocktail of a Italian coffee and other bits - like an exresso shot. Declined all other offerings of alcohol.

Eats - sushi, no rice , just slivers of tuna and salmon, olives, home made avocado dip, giant prawns cooked on flat hot plate. Avoided all breads, dangerous looking nibbles etc.

So- am i buggered? I hope not, I'd lost another kg by this morning, down to 66 and was looking forward to weigh in Monday. Not now:(

Valdeeves · 26/01/2013 19:54

Lavender all that wine sounds soooo nice - I have barely drank in the last year (pregnant for most of it!) and I miss alcohol. However I've hot a night at a good restaurant next wkend so I might break the dry spell!
I'm not sure if this is how you are supposed to make dauphinois but someone on the thread helped me - thank you!
I sliced the cabbage and crumbled the cauliflower on a bed of butter and salt. Then poured some cream over and sprinkled with grana padana. I baked it for about 15 - 10 mins and it was lovely. However I'm not sure it was a good idea to also have kale and spinach too - my tummy has been a bit upset!
Great messages on her - I resisted a fish and chip supper and sat with my friends while they ate them. For once they just looked really greasy and not mouthwatering. That was hard though - I had to snack on pork scratchings and a babybel to not think about it too much.

Valdeeves · 26/01/2013 19:56

Doing it for myself - I like the sound of that! I just need to grab a few ingredients to make it.

MrsHerculePoirot · 26/01/2013 20:24

ruprekt I always have big prawns in butter followed by the pork belly at zizzis!

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