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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

OP posts:
thenightsky · 26/01/2013 09:16

I'm the same as slatternly with no weight loss at all since last Friday morning Sad

I know we were told about this, but I still feel mega down about it. I'm going to stick at bootcamp level for another week I think and not give in

GinotPrigio · 26/01/2013 09:23

Yama Thank you, I will give the coconut oil a go. It does smell so delicious!

NoelHeadbands · 26/01/2013 09:34

Sorry Ginot, yes I use coconut oil for frying all the time- it smokes quite a bit and smells a bit coconutty but doesn't flavour the food at all

prettybird · 26/01/2013 09:37

I was surprisingly good at our Burns Supper [bsmile]

Only had half the slice of black pudding (was a lovely combination with the scallops and crispy streaky bacon and a few salad leaves dressed in a hemp oil vinaigrette. Small portion of haggis with lots of lovely buttery neeps and then the clotted cream Cranachan (which yes, did have some rolled oats and a small amount of sugar)

Only had two and half glasses of wine: a lovely Sauvignon Blanc and then a gorgeous Shiraz (wasn't that keen on the Malbec so was quite happy to let the others drink my glass) and then half a glass of Rutherglen Muscat sweetie (again, was happy to give away the other half).

Then restricted myself to two white chocolate coated coffee beans. [bgrin]

All in all, I think was quite restrained. [bwink]

Back on to full Boot Camp today.

LavenderBriggs · 26/01/2013 10:12

Morning all. I didn't officially join in as I wasn't ready to take the leap. I took a couple of days to dip my toes in and when that went well I launched myself into LCHF. I'm having a wonderful time! My morning coffee with is now taken with a fair bit of cream and it makes me happy (hoping that makes sense). I've lost 7lb in two weeks (only had 10 to lose in total) and I'm becoming slightly evangelical about the whole thing. Sugar just doesn't fit into my life any more, it's as easy as that.

The main point of me posting was for anyone who wants to exercise on a LCHF diet. I try to run a couple of times a week and I used to try to eat carby meals the night before a run (DH and I run first thing in the morning, before breakfast).

The first week of low carb wasn't good for running. I did two runs and I kept stopping and had the feeling that when i put my foot down there was nothing in the tank. I thought I'd give it a fortnight and see if it was something that would sort itself out. Wednesdays run was better, I took it gently, but felt that I had the energy to keep going.

The run this morning was the clincher Smile I had a very low carb meal last night and when I got up for the run my stomach was so empty it was growling at me. Kept the faith and got started. I felt hungry for the first kilometre, but I felt as if there was energy on tap, so I kept going. After that it got easier and easier. I felt fully-fuelled and managed 6.5k in 47 minutes (walked in the park because it was icy).

This is what I think happened. When I was eating carbs I would run out as the body can only store so much (under 2,000 calories). Now I'm fat-burning I feel as if I can pull as much energy as I need (body has around 40,000 calories available). I didn't feel as if I was using carbs from my stomach or last nights dinner, I felt as if I could use fat from any part of me - it was a lovely 'whole' feeling.

Sorry for massive essay, but I know how worried I was about fitting the WOE and exercise together - now I know they fit perfectly.

TaffyandTeenyTaffy · 26/01/2013 10:19

I really shouldnt have weighed today. I am now officially depressed!

Got my period and have had birthday/leaving wine, chinese and cake....which all adds up to a 4.5lb gain. Am pretty much back where I started. Boooooo!

I'll be in the corner, wallowing in self pity, swigging a big bottle of water if anyone needs me!

Well done everyone who is doing better than me!

Jacaqueen · 26/01/2013 10:56

Well done prettybird.

I also showed restraint last night.
Salmon with roast neeps and buttered leeks followed by a tiny bit of cranachan and a very small nip of whiskey.

Right everybody listen up!

Some of you will not lose weight this week.
Some of you will not lose weight next week.
All of you will lose weight eventually.

All together now
'You gotta keep the faith'

QuickLookBusy · 26/01/2013 10:58

Taffy don't be so down hearted. When I had my period last week, I only lost one pound and I hadn't cheated once, so I was very disappointed.

This week, period is over, I've lost 3lbs already and I'm doing bootcamp light.

I expect if you get back to bootcamp you will definitely lose next week. Keep going!

FurryDogMother · 26/01/2013 11:10

Another low carb tip from me - try green bean 'chips'. Just put a little olive oil in a bowl, add trimmed green/French beans and swoosh them around until coated in oil, then spread the beans out on a baking tray and bake in a moderate oven until they start to go a bit brown and crispy (but careful not to burn them). Taste for doneness, and enjoy. They taste like potato chips, really, and make a nice snack.

Felt guilty last night 'cos I'd had a 'snacky' day - but then looked at my food diary - half a chicken breast, 3 Babybels and 30g of walnut halves is not bad, really, as far as snacks go. Deliberately avoiding them today though - just had a breakast of 2 fried eggs, 4 rashers of bacon and some shitake mushrooms fried in butter, then tonight will be prawns cooked in garlic and chilli butter, cooled and served with low carb Marie Rose sauce (mayo, splodge of tomato puree, lemon juice, white pepper) and an avocado, served with samphire (amazingly enough from Tescos! 2g carbs per 100g). That'll be it for today!

NellVarnish · 26/01/2013 11:16

slatternly you do make me Grin - I'm clearly special too as I've not lost a feckin pound this week. And I have been soooo good.

Still two days till weigh in though so fingers crossed it will all melt away - like the snow. Although I'm cross about that too as we got NONE last night. Grrr.

Hope everyone's ok and heeding BIWI's wise words about W3 and W4 and not getting too despondent apart from me and slatternly.

Happy weekends everyone!

Doshusallie · 26/01/2013 11:39

I have just made a batch of the breakfast frittatas from the low carb recipe section. I used 9 eggs to make 12....mine have yellow pepper, smoked pork sausage, spring onion and mushroom in them and I added sage and thyme to the egg mixture. Yum scrum.

Had Greek yoghurt for brekkie as usual, and have just had 2 boiled eggs with a coffee and cream and feel stuffed!!

jan2013 · 26/01/2013 12:16

been doing fitday and id been concentrating on getting the fat ratio right - first fat then protein then carbs, and im quite happy with that now. now im working on getting good nutrition - ive realised that i can get really good nutrition when i add mixed nuts in, they really do have lots of vitamins. and stuff like spinach etc.. so im going to try to have nuts every week and a variety of green veg - putting my health first now rather than the weight aspect.

jan2013 · 26/01/2013 12:19

lavender thats really encouraging about the running. i am trying to get fit too and its good to know LC has been ok with exercising... im just trying to fit in one gym session a week and 2 jillian workouts. the gym has a creche, and the guy is going to do a weights work out with me on monday. im nervous as i have no muscles lol

skandi1 · 26/01/2013 12:44

Hello everyone! Smile
Been catching up on thread. You are all doing amazingly well!

Still keeping it up here. Had homemade beef burgers with mozzarella cucumber and avocado salad and celeriac chips last night.

So far breakfast was omelette with bacon and coffee.

I think some of my clothes are looser.
How does this work? If the scales haven't moved but you have lost inches? This is the only thing I don't understand about LCing.

I carry all the extra weight on my tummy (attractive pregnant look). And I look much less "pregnant". I don't seem to have lost anywhere else which is fine. Anyone else have this?

jan2013 · 26/01/2013 13:11

hey skandi. i carry all my weight round middle too. people think im thin if i can hide my belly cos the rest of me is thin, but my middle is massive! its so hard to lose inches round there, but i would love to. i would love to look in proportion and have hips and then the curve inwards that looks so feminine! i think exercise and toning - stuff like planks, will help with this!

Ruprekt · 26/01/2013 13:29

I am only going to weigh myself once a week as it is just not healthy to be so obsessed by it!

I have stuck religiously to the WOE but think the weight has gone up. I will continue to drink lots of water and carry on with this WOE simply because I can see the differences and that my diet is now healthier than ever,

Before I would STUFF myself with biscuits at 4pm for a sugar rush and cram them into my mouth. i would finish off ice cream pots and childrens dinner and anything I could get my hands on.

THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN NOW.

B - Creamed mushrooms, bacon, poached egg and mini sausages
L - FF greek yog
D- DH cooking something fishy.

LavenderBriggs · 26/01/2013 13:31

Jan2013 - well done on planning to exercise. You'll soon build muscle if you're eating lots of protein and you'll have loads of energy if you're eating plenty of fat. Good luck on Monday.

You lot are brilliant Smile

QuickLookBusy · 26/01/2013 13:51

I agree Ruprekt, that this is a much healthier way of eating. I feel so much better after a meal, I feel satisfied but not uncomfortable IYKWIM. I also have lots of energy.

However, I do though keep thinking about cake. I don't know why as I don't eat it very often. I was in M&S yesterday and spent ages looking at the carb content of spongesBlush.

Today's menu is
B-yoghurt and berries
L-fried panchett and mushrooms with a poached egg on top. Was delicious
D-pulled pork with LC caulslaw and salad.

I know it's a lot of pork in one day but have eaten a lot of fish and chicken this week so should be ok.

Woolfey · 26/01/2013 13:59

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WillieWaggledagger · 26/01/2013 14:05

welcome lavender! would you like to be added to the spreadsheet

sorry woolfey i was fiddling with the spreadsheet so i think you might have been fighting me, sorry about that - i have added you but what is your start date?

PinkPeanuts · 26/01/2013 14:07

Hello all, popping in to say I've officially started again today (will update the spreadsheet when I switch my laptop on a bit later)

I'm already suffering with a sugar/carb withdrawal headache but it will pass and its not enough to deter me!

WillieWaggledagger · 26/01/2013 14:13

ATTENTION BOOTCAMPERS

biggest loser of the week: Kiriwawa
biggest loser so far: Lavendersbluedillydilly1969
biggest %age loser so far: Lavendersbluedillydilly1969

between us we have lost 143 lb / 10 st 3 lb / 65 kg

aren't we marvellous?

Please note
those who haven't weighed in for two weeks running have been archived as it skews the averages. if this is you you have not been kicked out of bootcamp and please just ask if you would like to be reinstated on the spreadsheet

herecomesthsun · 26/01/2013 14:24

We had cream cheese pancakes for lunch with grated cheddar and then with raspberries and marscapone. Big big hit with kids thank you. Way to get my son to eat eggs, and a great low carb treat for him!

LavenderBriggs · 26/01/2013 14:25

Hi Willie, thanks for the offer, but I don't know if I'd fit in. I'm at the lowest weight I've been for years and I can't see me losing much more than two or three lb and I don't want to mess with your averages.

WillieWaggledagger · 26/01/2013 14:30

that's up to you lavender, you're very welcome on the spreadsheet - i was sort of maintaining during the last bootcamp (not anymore after christmas!) and i kept myself on there as it sort of kept me accountable, so if you feel you'd like that then just say!

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