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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

OP posts:
SavoirFaire · 25/01/2013 21:12

Evening all. I am trying so very very hard to stick to my guns! Have a good incentive as I am going to a big do next weekend and need to keep going if I am to look less bumpy in my dress! However I was foiled today. Went for lunch with a friend and stupidly hadn't told her about the WOE and was too embarrassed to mention it when I got there. She had done meatballs, which were lovely and perfect, but had already plated up some pasta for me to go with it before I could say anything. I had very little pasta, and it was wholewheat at least but i am gutted. Especially as I broke a stone barrier this morning and was feeling so chuffed with myself. Anyway, it means I have definitely not been tempted by wine this evening, I have drunk gallons of water and I am dreading looking at the scales again. How bad is it BIWI?

So today...

B: 2 eggs and butter
L: meatballs with veg which was lovely and a little pasta arghhh
D: a sort of shepherds pie made with mince, leeks and courgette, topped with celeriac mash. It was lush but I can't stop thinking about the pasta!

NoelHeadbands · 25/01/2013 21:18

Coco that's fab! Well done- I thought you'd been about ready to throw in the towel?

NoelHeadbands · 25/01/2013 21:19

Savoir it may not be that bad- keep sloshing the water!

LucyVFood · 25/01/2013 21:33

I've put on half a pound :( Maybe I'm just eating too much.

Am also two days into the period from hell so I'm ultra fed up. Want wine and chocolate. And diet coke.

mumat39 · 25/01/2013 21:37

Wow coco and savoire. 11lbs and a stone! That's brilliant.

Savoire, you only had a little so fingers crossed it'll be ok. :)

BIWI, that article you linked too was really interesting. I've not been unwell, but haven't felt right or at least 18 months or so. I thought it was my thyroid, but it has probably been down to all the very sweet stuff I'd been surviving on, and without even realising. I really like the way Mark Sisson posts on MDA. I think he's really good at getting his points across clearly. Do you know what the difference is between primal and this woe? Thanks again.

NoelHeadbands · 25/01/2013 21:46

Lucy if you're on your period that'll explain the 'gain'. I can show several pounds up when I'm on, it goes again afterwards just keep drinking the water to help with any retention.

Fwiw I don't even look at the ounces anyway

SavoirFaire · 25/01/2013 22:08

Sorry mumat haven't lost a stone yet - what I meant was I have (well, had) just gone below the stone marker point. 9 lbs in total (which I am over the moon about but just a bit worried I might have screwed it all up!)

NoelHeadbands · 25/01/2013 22:22

Sav every now again life gets in the way, and the little slip ups happen. Chalk it up to experience and use it to steel your resolve to stick to it going forward.

Personally, I think the very occasional deviations are generally forgiving. I think the danger comes from the tiny but frequent little cheats that start to add up

Ruprekt · 25/01/2013 22:32

i have managed to keep DH on the straight and narrow and away from the choc ice cream but it can be quite draining to do!! Just read him the article about what would happen if he does just 'taste' sugar or taste a cake!

Am still doing bootcamp really. No fruit or nuts.

B - ff cream cheese, bacon and sausage
L - Leftover moussaka
D - DH made a fab meal. He sort of made wraps from 5 eggs whipped hard with a whisk with double cream til quite liquid. Then fried them off in a large frying pan (non stick) and fried them slowly. Then he added cooked mushrooms, ham and cheese and baked them in the oven with cheese.

Lots of water and peppermint tea.

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 25/01/2013 22:50

Hi, another Friday done and dusted. Food today has not been a priority as had a leaking toilet this morning and fixing that has taken precedence over everything today. Thank God for YouTube, it's saved a fortune in plumbing bills and I have learnt something new.

B - missed as in a rush for school drop off
L - mozzarella and tomato drizzled in olive oil.
D - finished the spicy mince I slow cooked on Wednesday. Very yummy and hoping to recreate next week. Has it with some grated gran padano cheese and coleslaw. Was lovely.
Snack - small piece of Brie.
3l of water so all food there.

Iamaslummymummy · 26/01/2013 07:40

Awaits biwis stick.

Made a delicious muffin in the microwave using soy flour and ground almonds. So much better than with flax. Tasted like cake. I guess that is bad though Grin

Going to London today for mils birthday to steak&co. The name is definitely promising for lchf!

pregnantpause · 26/01/2013 07:57

I shall not talk about yesterday, but I can say that I will definitely be out of ketosis. My dh took me on a surprise meal for santes dwynwen day (welsh valentines day) which he'd booked before I started this.

I'll chalk it to experience, he wouldn't have booked where he had if he knew I'd be low-carbing and next time I will check menu before I go to a resteraunt.

Start again today, not really worried about weight loss, as I plan for this to be long term, for my health and weight, I avoid the scales as I know they can act as a demotivator for me.

today-
b- avocado with olive oil
l- cauliflower egg fried rice
d- salmon on a bed of creamy leeks and courgette
s- I have a pack of cooked king prawns to pick at through the day-yumSmile

RatherBeOnThePiste · 26/01/2013 07:58

Morning chums

Brew
GinotPrigio · 26/01/2013 08:08

Morning! Hope all those celebrating Burns Night had fun!

Quick question - who has been cooking with coconut oil? I picked up a jar in Waitrose yesterday but not sure how/what to cook with it. Does it give food a very coconut-y flavour?

Thanks!

slatternlymother · 26/01/2013 08:20

Gah! I'm stuck at this weight forever! Stuck like a stuck thing! I have not budged for a week now Sad

The only rule I have broken is having diet soft drinks at parties/nights out. I have not veered from cucumber sticks and olives at the buffets, at at meals out I've even asked for sparkling water the whole way and no crackers with my cheeseboard. I'm also running 3x per week.

I AM BEING SICKENINGLY HEALTHY! WHAT IS GOING ON?!

catinboots · 26/01/2013 08:36

Slatternly - did you see BIWIs post about weeks 3 and 4?

mirai · 26/01/2013 08:53

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Bessie123 · 26/01/2013 08:59

slatternly I haven't lost anything this week either

Yama · 26/01/2013 08:59

Ginot - we use coconut oil. The Funky Co stuff is super tasty. Someone recommended putting a teaspoon into herbal teas and I'm hooked.

As for cooking, dh uses instead of butter when frying as he's lactose intolerant. I still like butter if cooking something just for me and the kids.

You just break a bit off and place into frying pan, it will change into oil. The smell is lovely. As for the favour - it won't overpower other flavours. However, if you were to put some in a bowl, stick in the micro for a few seconds, add some spinach and parma ham, fold in and taste - deliciously coconutty!

Slatternly - I've stayed at the same weight for a few days now but as I'm enjoying all the other benefits of this woe I'm happy. And as BIWI says, weeks 3 and 4 may see no loss.

NoelHeadbands · 26/01/2013 09:00

Morning all

Slatts a whole week you say? Oh yes you're definitely doomed then, this WOE obviously doesn't work for you- everyone else yes, just not you. Soz about that Sad

You daft narna! It's a week, give it time. Next week I bet you see a bit (or a lot) drop off. I'm talking to myself as well btw as I'm the same, nothing off this week either.

slatternlymother · 26/01/2013 09:07

But I waaaant moooore weightloss!

DH has just given me a firm talking to and put me back in my box, reminding me that DS is watching me weigh myself every day and worry over it, and that's not the message he thinks is appropriate for a growing boy Blush especially when DS stood on the scales after me and said 'oh no mummy!' Double Blush

I did read about BIWI's post about the 3rd and 4th week, but because I was being so fucking smug, I thought it wouldn't happen to me because I'm clearly special Hmm

BIWI · 26/01/2013 09:08

I DID WARN YOU ABOUT WEEKS 3 AND 4! Grin

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halfthesize · 26/01/2013 09:13

Good morning loveliesBrew
dont worry about sts it happens to everyone, on this woe u seem to loose weight in chunks.

the sun is out hereGrin looks lovely, right off to cook breakfast. Hope everyone has a lovely weekendWink

Yama · 26/01/2013 09:13

Tried the pancakes this morning. Didn't weigh the cream cheese so was a bit worried when the mixture was a liquid rather than a batter but they turned out lovely. Dd had some and asked for more. Would've gone perfectly with some crispy bacon but alas we didn't have any.

Doshusallie · 26/01/2013 09:15

Yes it's important to not give the wrong impression to the kids re weighing. I tell them I am measuring my feet! Grin