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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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Valdeeves · 25/01/2013 10:10

Thanks Half and Mrs HP!

BIWI · 25/01/2013 10:41

Don't all come crying to me on Monday when you've put 5 stone on ...

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NoveltySlippers · 25/01/2013 10:43

Morning all

I've maintained for three days now - and had to go out on Wed and had three gin and tonics. Amazingly this has had no effect. (Though won't be making a habit of it - promise!)

Haven't been posting my food much, must try harder:

B: Continental style (cheese and ham)
L: Halfthesize's garlic chicken with parma ham and salad (chicken so yummy cold)
Snack: FF yoghurt
D: Buttered salmon, asparagus and leeks

NoveltySlippers · 25/01/2013 10:44
BIWI · 25/01/2013 10:49
Grin
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bulletwithbutterflywings · 25/01/2013 10:49

black there are zero carbs in a dram Grin

Jacaqueen · 25/01/2013 10:51

No carbs in whiskey.

Haggis is fairily high in carbs. We were out for a Burns supper last night so I am going to have salmon tonight. The boys are having haggis pizza!

I may have a little cranachan or I may make a low carb version without the honey and oats. I was thinking of soaking some flax seeds in whiskey and toasting those. The cream and raspberries will be fine.

I am watching the tennis (come on Andy) whilst making shortbread and tablet.

And we finally have SNOW.

mumat39 · 25/01/2013 10:56

There seems to be a lot of talk of falling off the wagon. Come on everyone, the first 2 weeks had to be the hardest part of this so please don't fall off the wagon. I'm a sheep so will follow suit if this continues. :(

The whole feeling deprived must be psychological, another trick that the nasty sugar and carb addiction is playing on us. I don't want to go back to being a slave to snacking and eating sugary stuff.

I need you all to stay focused so I can. I realise that sounds selfish, but I am on,y managing to stick to this because of the support on this thread.

RatherBeOnThePiste · 25/01/2013 11:03

I haven't fallen off the wagon, am bloody determined here, and today I saw the scales shift having not lost any last week, so that was great.

I have to do two runs for Woolly Hugs this year, and I need to be fitter and stronger, and run IN PUBLIC!

and

We are going on holiday in July with two families, both mums really old friends of mine and I am so determined that by July I am looking good.

So I ain't falling off the wagon here Smile

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 25/01/2013 11:04

I have no plans to fall off the wagon, but would really like to have a glass of wine or two tonight as going to an Italian and food just isn't the same with vodka/gin as with wine (would rather have water - although the alcohol bit is fun, obviously, I just am not that keen on spirits, whereas I love the glass of wine).

BIWI roughly how much is safe?? 2 small glasses? 3 small glasses? Looks like about 150ml i.e. small glass of wine is 3-4g of carbs dep on how dry it is.

I know we are not tracking carbs, but roughly how many carbs a day would take you out of ketosis?

I know one's body burns up the alcohol first and it could stall me; that doesn't bother me so much as I already lost about 1.5 pounds this week which I am really happy with (do not have too much to lose so am not expecting to lose fast, slow and steady is fine with me), but do not want to knock myself out of fat-burning mode after all this hard work!

B leftover turnip dauphinoise and sprouts with butter fried eggs and fried chorizo - seriously good! Coffee with a splash of milk (run out of cream - put it all in the dauphinoise).

BIWI · 25/01/2013 11:04

Yay! mumat39 has her own big stick! Grin

Well said though. I am aware that people have various celebrations and other excuses, and it's true that for this WOE to become something you can cope with in the long term that we do need to work out a way to copy with them. However, the falling off the wagon is happening a little bit too quickly and too often.

But then the scales will tell you all this on Monday. And bearing in mind that we are in difficult weeks 3 and 4, some of you may be in for a big shock!

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ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 25/01/2013 11:06

meant to say I love the taste of wine, rather than "the glass of wine" which sounds rather broken English...poss Freudian slip thinking of the dishy Italian waiters...

Jacaqueen · 25/01/2013 11:10

You lot are just jealous that you don't have a philandering dead poet's birthday to celebrate today.

I am not off the wagon either. I have been doing this since Bootcamp started last April and have lost 3 stone.

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 25/01/2013 11:14

"you'll never walk al-ooone" don't worry I am not going to budge from this wagon, united we stand firm etc etc.

Re Italian tonight am planning to have carpaccio with parmesan and rocket to start then either calves liver, if not fried in flour, or the fish soup which is possibly not fatty enough but just had lots of fat for breakfast to keep me topped up.

And I would like to have some wine, but only the allowed amount, I promise.

mumat39 · 25/01/2013 11:29

Java, not jealous at all. Infact quite envious as it always sounds like a fun celebration.

Wow, 3 stones in less than a year! That's how much I have to lose, but I am notoriously bad a dieting, hence my selfish post.

Do you have any tips for a newbie like me on how to stay motivated enough for the long run?

Thanks and sorry if I sounded stroppy. Thanks

mumat39 · 25/01/2013 11:32

Jaca, not java.

BIWI · 25/01/2013 11:40

Choos - it all depends on what else you've eaten, i.e. how many carbs. As far as I'm aware, a bottle of wine will contain around 20g carbohydrate - obviously the sweeter it is, the more carbs there are.

There is no such thing as an allowed amount!

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jan2013 · 25/01/2013 11:41

sorry Biwi but i have another question for Dr Briffa! i have heard that low carb diets acidify the body, and this can cause bone loss. does he have anything to say about this? i have osteoperosis and don't want to make it worse by being on a ketogenic diet. lots of spelling mistakes here!

mumat39 · 25/01/2013 11:48

Just found this which might be useful.

keogenic diet

MsRinky · 25/01/2013 11:48

It's my 10 month point today. I have lost 3 stone 10 pounds.

Tomorrow we are hosting a joint 40th birthday party for me & MrRinky (his birthday is next weekend). With the help of some industrial strength underwear I shall be wearing this slinky little Vivienne Westwood number:

www.theoutnet.com/product/97780

I have just spent the morning making a massive pile of brownies and blondies for the party. Don't reckon I will be eating them though. Now have a vast tray of pulled pork in the oven. I reckon that, some lovely low-carb coleslaw and a couple of bottles of champagne will do me nicely.

WillieWaggledagger · 25/01/2013 11:52

mmm mm msrinky you will look fab-U-lous dahling

mumat39 · 25/01/2013 11:54

Wow MrsRinky, you'll look stunning.

That's a lot of weight in a short space of time, well done!

Happy joint 40th to you and mrrinky. Hope you have a lovely time!

Xxx

Jacaqueen · 25/01/2013 11:55

You didn't sound stroppy. It's great that you are so motivated and want to do so well.

My best advice would be to trust in the science, ignore the scales and just stick at it.

You really have to try and see this as the way you will be eating for most of the time for the rest of your life. I first did low carb about 10 years ago but I never really 'got it' and just used it as a short term fix. I allowed other people's opinions to sway me and went back to conventional eating so the weight always returned.

All that changed with Bootcamp. Knowing that so many people were doing this with me totally changed my attitude. I also did a lot of reading into the science and began to see the real benefit of this woe was the effect it would have on my health. As soon as I stopped obsessing about my weight it began to drop. I now consider the weight loss to be a fantastic bonus. The primary reason to continue with this is to allow me to live a long healthy life.

BIWI · 25/01/2013 11:58

MsRinky that is gorgeous! Pics, please!

mumat39 that is a brilliant site - thanks for posting that. Willie please could you add it to the resources section on the SOF?

jan if you read that site, does it answer your question? I'm still happy to pose it as a question to Dr Briffa, if not!

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WillieWaggledagger · 25/01/2013 11:59

yup i agree jac - keep the faith, and although you might not lose numbers on the scales in the long run, if you stick with it you will see a downward trend overall. also, the reduced bloating means that you are slimmer at the weight you are than you would be at the same weight with a carby diet - so it's worth using a tape measure too