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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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SavoirFaire · 24/01/2013 21:41

Evening all. slummymummy can you tell me exactly how you did your kale - step by step? I've done it before, successfully, but have tried twice since starting bootcamp and both times failed to get it crispy.... Thanks!

Happy birthday teenytaffy!

Well today for me:
B: Eggs and butter
L: Avocado salad with a bit of philadelphia and some leftover cauli rice
D: Was amazing. Cod, baked in cream with parmesan on the top. Served with sauted savoy cabbage and roasted brussel sprouts. I would never countenance a brussel sprout until a month ago. Up to and including the Christmas day just gone. DH is a happy happy man and still can't quite believe he is on a diet!

Made a small batch of muffins with the DCs for fun today and did not succumb. Obviously a theme of the day! There are four muffins left in the cupboard. A month ago they wouldn't have survived and I would have had to hope the DCs had forgotten about them in the morning... But now they can have one each for the next 2 days!

Iamaslummymummy · 24/01/2013 21:55

I just sprayed it with olive oil. I shredded it onto a silicone sheet. Whacked it into the oven fir about 5 maybe 10 minutes. I really enjoyed it.

cat I'm very pleased with their service. Dh was slightly bemused to find a huge box of greens on the doorstep as they drove off! Grin

Ruprekt · 24/01/2013 22:22

Another good day today.

B - FF total yoghurt
S - eggs, bacon and sausage
L - salmon and broccol
D - Lush! Idiot Proof Moussaka from the low carb recipe page. Did the topping with a pack of feta, whisked with 4 eggs and ricotta. Was really tasty. Bag of salad. Water and peppermint tea.

gloriafloria · 24/01/2013 22:24

Evening,

B - Cream cheese pancakes - v nice
L - Bacon, lettuce, Mayo
D - Oven baked chicken breast with braised cabbage

Have been sticking with bootcamp but may have some wine at the weekend. Also bought some macadamia nuts to go with it!

Down a couple of lbs since Monday so going well but running out of food! Sitting here writing my list and getting excited about it (How sad is that!)

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 24/01/2013 22:51

Evening all.

B scrambled eggs with ham

L kale and chorizo stew/broth (adapted a Nigel Slater recipe which had potato in it - put leek, garlic and brussel sprouts in too, if I'd had time would've added celeriac too instead of the potato but was lovely just as it was)

D a sort of chicken kiev (bashed it flat and rolled garlic parsley butter in the middle and wrapped it in foil and baked in the oven) with turnip dauphinoise and lots of buttery sprouts.

DH turned his nose up at the turnip dauphinoise so I had it on my own and it was lovely - will guzzle the leftovers on my own for breakfast/lunch tomorrow - thank you whoever recommended that one.

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 24/01/2013 22:55

Oh and pork scratchings and olives with feta for snacks. And vanilla roobibos tea with coconut oil.

BIWI (or does anyone else know?) how much wine one can safely have without knocking oneself out of ketosis? Got friends coming to stay for the weekend so would like to have a glass or two, but don't want to undo all the hard work.

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Valdeeves · 24/01/2013 23:53

How do you make the turnip dauphinois? I could do with a bit of variety on that front !
Was feeling pretty good until I tried on my two dresses for the wedding and neither fit! Should really get something more weather appropriate anyway but it would be great to lose that half a stone left by the wedding. It's the last week in Feb.
My DD kept me up all night - she's teething and we are having some stressful feeding issues which I can only guess are linked to her being very preterm. I'm tiiiired!
Breakfast: pork scratchings
Lunch: Smoked mackerel mashed in butter with warm buttered spinach.
Dinner: homemade lamb burgers, roasted cabbage in button and mushrooms
And lots of water and one tea with soya milk.

I don't blame loads of you for falling off the wagon - I've had to watch everyone eat my own birthday cake all
Week - bizarre!

thekitchenfairy · 25/01/2013 06:32

I don't think I can catch up today, so just checking in.

I have my period, less than two weeks after the last one. Gutted. But at least it explains the sugar cravings of the last few days and so far it is not acompanied by a 4lb weight gain and painfull cramps so that's good then! I don't want any carbs, but I have, this week, given in to the odd sliver of 85% choc at 4pm and had a glass of wine last night. Oh dear.

But I did bake a mahoosive tray of shortbread and a millionaires brownie tray bake for a school event tonight... And wasn't the least bit tempted (not even by the salted caramel?!) so I'm hoping I'm not far off the right track.

Is anyone taking any supplements that might help with sugar cravings? Zinc? Potassium?

BlackAffronted · 25/01/2013 06:48

kitchenfairy. I take chromium which helps to stabilise your insulin levels, so that may help?

Up early with a niggly sore tummy, and had clots when I wiped this morning. Wish this prolonged spotting would go away now!

halfthesize · 25/01/2013 07:25

morning ladies Brew

valdeeves I feel for you, my DS2 is still problematic with his sleep at nearly 4Sad have you tried the teething powders you can get in boots, I found them great.

MrsHerculePoirot · 25/01/2013 07:31

valdeeves slice the turnip very thinly, layer it in a dish (with some sliced shallots or onions if you like). Pour over double cream and bake. If you want you can sprinkle Parmesan on the top for a crispy topping.

halfthesize · 25/01/2013 07:33

MrsHP that sounds gorgeousGrin

MrsHerculePoirot · 25/01/2013 07:35

No credit here - one of you lot gave me the recipe!!! Captainmummy I think!!!

EwanHoozami · 25/01/2013 08:11

Valdeeves sympathy on the sleep front. Crap night here too.

Wishing a merry Burns night to those celebrating! Can you get LC haggis? And I guess it's neeps without the tatties..

This ---> [bbiscuit] is the weirdest emoticon ever.

B: Lidl yog
L: Am going out so meat/fish and salad
D: chorizo fritatta and green veg

catinboots · 25/01/2013 08:13

Josie Gibson on ITV now talking about sugar addiction

RatherBeOnThePiste · 25/01/2013 08:25

Can't keep up with you all!

Giving blood this afternoon and sadly will have to side step the biscuits after, that is the best bit, and I KNOW they will have custard creams Sad

starshaker · 25/01/2013 08:53

Ok me being a pain again. Will it matter if i go a day without eating. I have agony toothache and feel sick from all the pain killers. Food is not even slightly appealing

MrsHerculePoirot · 25/01/2013 08:56

Pistey - well done on the blood. I had to have a blood transfusion and can no longer give - but obviously appreciate those that do.

Star shaker - i am sure it will be fine, could you perhaps have some soup or something? Are you going to get it sorted at dentist?

BlackAffronted · 25/01/2013 09:31

Im allowing myself a small amount of haggis tonight, and lots of buttery neeps! No tatties or cranachan though.

starshaker, can you drink? Water, green tea, maybe some almond milk?

BlackAffronted · 25/01/2013 09:33

I have some oeffs en cocotte in the oven, cant wait!

prettybird · 25/01/2013 09:36

I'm having the cranachan Grin Wink

prettybird · 25/01/2013 09:37

.... and good wine (including a sweetie) Blush

BlackAffronted · 25/01/2013 09:50

How many carbs in a dram do you think?

BIWI · 25/01/2013 09:50

mirai

Two immediate questions:

  1. When did he start Bootcamp?
  2. Are you absolutely sure he's eating nothing else during the day? I've found, before, that husbands/partners who are also doing the diet are doing it along with their other halves but without really understanding the nature of low carbing and what they can/can't eat - it's not unusual to find that they have been eating carby stuff at work, not realising that it's going to be a problem! Well I only had one biscuit instead of two ... !

Just looking at his diet:

B - nothing (should he have a yoghurt?)

If he's on Bootcamp Light, then missing breakfast isn't too much of an issue, as long as he's only missing it because he's not hungry. If he's still on Bootcamp, then yes he should be eating something

L - chicken lettuce and mayo wraps / egg ham and mayo salad. Pot of yoghurt. Some almonds. Maybe a square of soft cheese.

Is the salad dressed with an oily dressing? How much yoghurt - what sized pot? How many nuts? Is he eating enough? These sound, potentially, as if they could be quite small meals.

D - baked fish with buttery veg and caul cheese (for example)

Fish - depending on the type - needs more fat added to it. All your protein choices seem to be low fat - you need to eat fattier meats

Snacks on mixed nuts after dinner.

How many, and what is the carb value on the back of the pack? These are very moreish and he could easily be eating way too many carbs in one go here. Olives would be better. However, you should also be asking why he is snacking. Is it just a habit, or is he hungry? He shouldn't be hungry if he's eating enough, and if he's eating enough fat. And if it's just a habit - then he needs to stop!

Overall I agree with you, it seems like he is eating too many nuts. There's also a fair bit of dairy here - he could have an issue with that. And it looks like there might not be enough fat in his diet.

And, what is he drinking throughout the day? How much water? What about tea/coffee - how many cups/how much milk?

Don't worry about intermittent fasting at the moment. Let's get low carbing working for him first.

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