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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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ShebaQueen · 23/01/2013 19:47

Quick question, has anyone else noticed that their skin is very dry? It could be the weather rather than what I am eating because I've had plenty of fat and loads of water so in theory my skin should be well hydrated, but it isn't. Have bought a new moisturiser today so hopefully that will help.

slatternlymother · 23/01/2013 19:49

Welcome newbies Smile

sheba my hands have suddenly gone very dry, and DH's forehead is dry too. It coincided with the cold snap though.

starshaker · 23/01/2013 19:54

Some of you may know the issues ive been having over the past few weeks. I have been eating very low cal and not losing weight (actually put on 2 lbs). Lots of people told me to go to the doctors. Well today i did and he was just rude. I explained that i had never been slim but when i stopped smoking in may i have put on about 4 stone. I told him about my diet and how it wasnt working and his reply was "what do you want me to do about it" i said i didnt know but thought he might be able to advise or help. He then asked if i "wanted a magic little pill that will stop me being fat". In the end i asked if tere was a dietitian i could see. He said that refering me would involve a moderate amount of work on his part and he wasnt going to waste his time if i wasnt serious about it.

That conversation is the reason i dont go to the doctors about stuff i know i really should.

Anyway, low carbing will start on friday when i do my next tesco shop. In the meantime i think i will have 2 days of actually enjoying the foods ive deprived myself of for the past 3 weeks.

Doshusallie · 23/01/2013 19:56

Question about the courgette ribbons - when I made them today I used a potato peeler but stopped when I got to the seedy middle, which seemed a bit wasteful, bearing in mind I'd eat the whole courgette if cooking it another way. Do you keep peeling or do you stop at the seedy bit too?

WillieWaggledagger · 23/01/2013 20:02

Golly starshaker that's an appalling response from your GP - don't be afraid to complain or change doctor. My mum is a GP and she would never treat someone like that when they are asking for help and support.

Anyway, we're pleased to have you, and hopefully like many of us you'll find this way of eating enjoyable, sustainable and effective.

starshaker · 23/01/2013 20:05

There are 2 doctors at the practice and he is the best out them both. No other surgery will let me register because im not in the right area

Doshusallie · 23/01/2013 20:11

Sorry star shaker missed your post - truly appalled at your gp's comments. I would complain. And I never complain.....

BIWI · 23/01/2013 20:13

Lastyearsmodel - I think I should get Mumsnet airmiles ... Grin

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Yama · 23/01/2013 20:16

Doshusallie - I slice the middle bit with a knife and throw them in. So, rather than a wide strip, a slightly fatter thin strip. I hope that makes sense.

Starshaper - I'm sorry to hear about your horrible GP.

pregnantpause · 23/01/2013 20:18

Star - what an awful doctor! I know the feeling re deprivation and no results. As I've gone from low fat high carb to this woe I feel like I'm eating too much. I have had to overcome the mental block I have which is resisting the fat that I'm now eating.

For instance today I ate chicken wings for the first time in a decade, because my opinion has always been that life is too short to peel the skin from a chicken wing, not anymoreGrin I ate the skin and it was delicious! cauli cheese is the same, I feel guilty afterwardSad

BIWI · 23/01/2013 20:20

starshaker - that is absolutely appalling!

We can't fail, however, to give you better and more supportive advice than he did!

Make sure you have done some reading about low carbing, as it is totally different from eating low cal/low fat, and you may find it messes with your head a bit to start with!!!

But you will enjoy this way of eating, because you can eat lovely, tasty, real food Grin

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SavoirFaire · 23/01/2013 20:33

Starshaker that's awful, poor you. But I know how difficult it is to complain. You could also go again but take someone else with you. It's funny how people 'in power' can back down when there's someone else to witness their ridiculousness.

Ho hum. My day was this:
B: 1 egg and a bit of bacon
L: Veggie broth. and then there was a minor incident with a Freddie frog chocolate bar that had been left in the fridge by a DC, but I am glossing over that
S: a couple of teaspoons of peanut butter and a babybel
D: Pork belly with half an avocado and some cauliflower rice

Snacks today including the glossed over one had nothing to do with hunger and everything to do with boredom due to working from home because of snow. This is something I need to fix.

thekitchenfairy · 23/01/2013 20:36

starshaker if you want delicious food, support, inspiration, encouragement, ideas, answers to questions, random cute pics of 9new Labrador pups to cheer you up you are in the right place... There is no walk of shame and no horrid doctors such as yours...

Follow the plan, you will lose weight and inches and after the carb flu passes you will feel amazing, and we will all be here to share your joy Grin

I heart this thread of loveliness, as you can tell, everyone is fab and BIWI deserves MN medals, accolades, wine, for getting it started

BIWI · 23/01/2013 20:37

Wine, you say ...

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lapetitedame · 23/01/2013 20:51

Evening all...life is getting in the way of me keeping up with these threads...they move so fast !

Starshaker...what a doctor! Never mind him and don't waste your time with a dietician who will probably tell you eat less fat and more wholegrains etc.etc.

My colleague is also trying without success to lose weight...shes been a member of WW for twenty years.

Lunchtime I tucked into salmon, avocado and salad and a bowl of broccoli soup. 'Oh' she says 'salmon and avocado...so fattening !' as SHE tucked into ryvita spread with low fat Laughing Cow followed by ww yogurt. An hour later she was 'peckish'

Sad thing is ...she could have been me (and lots of others I know) a few years ago.

Newbies...when you start eating REAL food - you will wonder how you ate all that processed stuff.

Anyway keeping on keeping on!

slatternlymother · 23/01/2013 21:20

starshaker your doctors sounds like a fucking douchebag Angry

Come and eat some real food, and I demand that you give that doctors' surgery two fingers every time you go past.

Or I could take a shit in a post-pak and send it to him? Your choice. Grin

DorisIsWaiting · 23/01/2013 21:27

Hi All,

Was weigh day for me today I lost 1 pound (was a bit disappointed after last weeks big loss but I know I shouldn't be!) I also had my 1 night of the year out this week too so all things considered it wasn't too bad.

I tried the cougrette and feta fritters tonight with a spinch and avocado salad. YUM! (I may need to improve on my shallow frying skills some but god it was good). Have put some aside to have cold for breakfast in the morning (or I might just heat them through).

I have found I've been picking at times in the last few days which I didn't seem to do last week ( dh keeps saying it's because it's cold) but I'm sticking with suitable snacks mostly olives ocasionally a bit of cheese. and trying to stay on track with the water.

Really feel for you starshaker that's such a shit sitatution to be in, Could you ask to speak to the manager at another surgery and explain that you have no cofidence in your GP and have nowhere else to turn?

Right more water time. Night all and well done!

MsRinky · 23/01/2013 21:50

Dinner tonight was steak, celeriac chips done in smoked rapeseed oil with cajun spice and garlic mushrooms small glass of malbec Delicious.

Ruprekt · 23/01/2013 21:56

I have not snacked once in 17 days and I was the Queen of Snacking.

I cannot believe how this WOE has changed my relationship with food, my life, my outlook on things and how much better I feel.

I never drank water. EVER. I ate crap all the time inc sweets, choc, crisps, more crisps, wine.........you name it I ate it!

Now, my meals are planned. The food tastes great. I am full.

BUT WHY WILL NO ONE LISTEN TO THIS WOE?? It is so frustrating. I watch them in the staffroom, stuffing themselves with cake and biscuits and sweets and they laugh at me with my eggs and bacon and I just think maybe I have some sort of religious epiphany!!!! I feel quite evangelical about it all.

Tis weird.

prettybird · 23/01/2013 22:15

I had courgette pasta/tagliatelle tonight. This time I sliced the whole courgette thinly without discarding the centre (halved it lengthways and then cut thin slices, most with a little bit of green skin on one side. I then fried it off briefly in a generous amount of butter and served it with the meatballs in tomato sauce that ds and dh were having with "real" pasta.

Was YUMMY! Smile

slatternlymother · 23/01/2013 22:17

Rups I could've written your post. I feel so well! And I'm not even tempted by the sugary twats in my office, scoffing cake and biscuits, having sugar in their teas, making trips to the vending machines....

Bleugh. I'm so over that! DH says I'm happier than he's ever known me; more patient and sweeter natured... And I feel it too! I feel like being nice!

Ruprekt · 23/01/2013 22:25

I am happier too. I feel like I have 'found' myself.

And before, food ruled my life. Now I am just enjoying meals and not thinking about the snacks inbetween and do I need cake? shall i stuff myself with chocolate?

I just dont need to.

slatternlymother · 23/01/2013 22:37

I used to fantasise about food, obsess about it... I spent so long doing that! I thought there was something wrong with me, and that I was bad and out of control.

JustasmallGless · 23/01/2013 22:38

See, it really is a life changer isn't it!

Not being a slave to snacks and sugary shit

WoodyandLol · 23/01/2013 23:46

Been lurking here for ages, low carbing for a while now, and slowly losing. Can I officially join please? You lot are great and very inspiring. BIWI, you are my guru! So fed up with explaining my food choices to the low calorie numpties at work. Here I belong! B = Full fat yog and cinnamon L = scrambled eggs w. butter, chunk of cheese, cucumber, toms and cold runner beans D= bolognaise w. Kale, broccoli and courgette ' pasta' liberally sprinkled with mozzarella and cheddar. Keen to try the vanilla powder! I haven't added myself to the s/s yet though (bit scared of spreadsheet)... Smile

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