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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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NellVarnish · 22/01/2013 19:19

Gless, thank you, fish pie sounds great and I'll have look at curried mince and shephered's pie recipes too.

Slatternly - I've resisted today even when DD's came in with Crunchies!

I've missed the love fest! But agree with all of the above ^^

And the puppies! Where are they? Congrats Cathy!

And thekitchenfairy - great news! Well done!

You are all bloody marvellisimo!

NellVarnish · 22/01/2013 19:21

By the way, how much Lidl yoghurt is a serving BIWI? Scared I'm having too much as I love it. Although not had any today. Yet. Grin

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 19:27

Hmm...I have a yoghurt question too.

Now that we're boot camping light, am I allowed Yeo Valley Greek Style Yoghurt?

It's got 7g carbs (hides/cowers) - HOWEVER - it's all natural, no added sugars and it's organic and made from happ(ier) cows, which is important to me.

It's also blooming' delicious!

DangerousMouse · 22/01/2013 19:30

In total over the 2 weeks I am 11lb down, wow, this is great, so easy! I'm not even hungry anymore.

Today I've had half an atkins shake for B (I know, I know)
L omelette with courgette, baby corn and goats cheese
D a desert spoon of clotted cream! Really not hungry for dinner, but may have some buttered veg later.

BIWI · 22/01/2013 19:30

I don't know the carb count of the Lidl yoghurt - I've never bought it!

Will see what I can find out.

Nell - that is really quite carby, unless you're very strict with your portions.

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NoelHeadbands · 22/01/2013 19:31

Evening all

Some lovely posts on here today Smile

B - eggs and bacon and butter
L - last nights leftovers of cauli cheese and mince
T - steak with chard, mushrooms (blerk) and a few fried shallots. Swimming in butter

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 19:36

Hmm, think you're right. It would require strict portion-age, the Yeo Valley yoghurt route....

NellVarnish · 22/01/2013 19:38

Thanks BIWI, bear with and I'll go and have a look ...

gloriafloria · 22/01/2013 19:40

Wow kitchen fairy, that's fab. Just proves what a healthy woe this is.

Platoon, such a lovely post. Feeling quite emosh! You put into words what I think of this fab group.

Welcome Doing it for myself!

B coffee with cream
L waitrose prep stir fry (done in the microwave!) knob of butter and cheese. Delish
D 2 low carb sausages and a celeriac gratin.

Not drank enough water and had too many coffees, one had milk in as well - someone made it and didn't want to throw it away. Had a few comments today about looking good so feeling proud. I feel like I'm spoiling myself on this woe and strangely enjoying food shopping. I'm actually producing some tasty unprocessed healthy food and get excited when planning my meals. Did I never imagine I'd ever say such words!

NellVarnish · 22/01/2013 19:42

10% fat, 3.2 per 100g for Lidl ...

and BUGGERATION, I've only gone and bought a big tun of Total 0%!

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BIWI · 22/01/2013 19:47

Careful with that soup, Bandersnatch - could be quite carby

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halfthesize · 22/01/2013 19:48

Cathy cant wait to see pics bet they are adorable, congratsThanks

Some wonderful posts on here today, just sat catching up with tears in my eyes. This woe is totally amazing and life changingSmile

GuyMartinsSideburns · 22/01/2013 19:50

Puppies??? Im gonna need pics and an actual puppy Grin

I had a labrador for years and years, and he was the most awesome dog Ive ever had. I miss that boy so much Sad

We had pork chops for dinner and they were lovely! Ive squirrelled one away to have for my breakfast... thats unless dh nabs it lol

TheEarlyBird · 22/01/2013 19:51

Evening all. Out of curiousity, those of you who are nearing a target - what target is that :)? My first target is to bring my BMI under 25 (presently 25.4!) and then I want to reach a BMI of 23 which I think would work well for me. Disclaimer: I do know that BMI is not a perfect "thing" but it does give me something to aim for!

starshaker · 22/01/2013 19:53

ok im a bit confused. Is bacon a good or bad thing?

Say for example i had bacon and eggs for breakfast
omlette of some sort for lunch (mushrooms seem good)
then meat of fish for dinner

Would that be ok?

Bessie123 · 22/01/2013 19:59

I have a few staged goals.

Stage 1: weight to be 150-something pounds (even if it's 159, which is 1lb less than now)
Stage 2: weight to begin with 10 instead of 11 (ie 10lb 13)
Stage 3: weight to be 140-something pounds
Stage 4: weight to be under 10.5 stone
Stage 5: weight to be 10 stone or (preferably) under

Bit weird having a 5-stage weight loss plan, but I'm hoping this way I will reach a goal every 2-4 weeks, which might be motivating.

LucyVFood · 22/01/2013 20:00

I hadn't kept the faith. I read about the cauliflower rice and dismissed it and I was getting desperate, thinking about all the dishes I couldn't have 'properly' - Chinese, Indian etc. So, in desperation I tried the cauliflower rice and IT WAS GREAT! Texture was fab and I could eat it with anything. So thank you Thanks

Is the courgette pasta as good? Cos I'd poo pooed that too!

BIWI · 22/01/2013 20:10

starshaker:

Say for example i had bacon and eggs for breakfast perfect low carb breakfast - but avoid having bacon every day - not because it's carby but because of the processing/ingredients added to it

omlette of some sort for lunch (mushrooms seem good) again, perfect low carb food - but you should add some salad or other low carb veg to this

then meat of fish for dinner again, perfect; natural/unprocessed meat or fish and, again, some salad or low carb veg to go with it

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NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 20:10

LucyV - me too! I've always been a bit Hmm about courgette pasta as courgette is quite bitter, I can't imagine it in large quantities like that. But the feedback is so good, it's on my 'to do list' to try it at least once.

ShebaQueen · 22/01/2013 20:10

Evening all, I made crepes today from the recipe thread and they were fab! I used them as tortillas to make wraps - one tuna mayo with lettuce, cucumber and celery and the other chopped chicken with spinach. Made such a lovely change. I have now promised myself that I will be more adventurous with my cooking so that I don't get bored. I'm will need to get more organised with my meal planning as I normally can't be bothered doing much by the time I get back from work.

Thanks all for the motivation!

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 20:15

Bessie I think plotting little stages like that is a brilliant idea. It can be demotivating focussing on one big end goal. And promise yourself a little (non carby) treat at each goalpost hit.

thenightsky · 22/01/2013 20:18

OK... can someone clear up the Total 0% -v- Total FF for me?

I just checked the labels and 0% is 4 carbs per 100g and FF is 3.8. So not that much difference then. I guess I won't die after all due to DH buying the wrong pot Grin

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 20:19

Earlybird it's a good question, because I'm entering previously unchartered territory weight wise now, so I don't actually know what I'll look/feel like at weights below what I am currently.

So I'll just need to see how it goes. I can't imagine me losing more than seven more pounds. I don't think my frame suits 'thin'. Just want to be muffin top-free I think. And possibly size 10 jeans? That'll do me.

mumat39 · 22/01/2013 20:21

Oh Willie, sorry. I just wondered if this had already been done. Don't worry too much. I didn't mean to add to your workload. Thanks