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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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Ilovemyteddy · 22/01/2013 16:57

Puppies! Awwwww! Congrats Cathy.

Welcome Starshaker . Everyone, I PM'd Starshaker who posted a thread on here about wanting to lose weight, but she has been cutting calories down to a very low level, which hasn't worked for her. So I suggested she tries low carbing as we all know that that has worked/is working for us.

Starshaker probably the best thing you can do to start with is search for the First Bootcamp thread which has all the rules for starting out - we are in the third week,so things are a little more relaxed. There is a questions thread and a recipe thread too.

I'm sure BIWI will be along shortly to explain the rules to you. It is worth reading the John Briffa book Escape the diet trap and also The Idiot Proof Diet by India Knight. Both helped me enormously. Briffa explains the science and the IPD explains the emotional side behind why we overeat.

This way of eating will seem strange when you are used to the low-fat, low-cal message that has been pushed for years. Basically you eat meat, fish, eggs as much as you want, plus natural fat - butter, cream, a limited amount of cheese. You get your carbs from a list of veggies that is on the spreadsheet (link is on the first post on this thread.) There are a lot of veg that is carbs, so you need to check before eating. And NO fruit because it contains sugar.

You MUST eat fat or or you will not lose weight. And you must drink loads of water - about 4 litres a day as I know you have a lot of weight that you want to lose. The water keeps your kidneys hydrated, allowing your liver to do its job of fat-burning.

If you read the first Bootcamp thread from the end of Dec2012 you will see the rules. Good luck (and PM me if you need more explanations.)

Ilovemyteddy · 22/01/2013 17:00

"There is a lot of veg that is carbs". WTF?

Sorry! What I meant to say is that there is a lot of veg that is carby, so you do need to refer to the list so that you make the right choices. Potatoes are obviously carby, but so are peas, carrots, onions, tomatoes. These should be avoided if poss.

thekitchenfairy · 22/01/2013 17:05

Agree slatters ... 9 odd years of lies and Myth, the only thing similar is water drinking, we should all be made to be aware that it actually helps flush fat out! But I still kept on paying, despite the shame and hating the whole thing, until this month... What on earth did I think would happen if I cancelled!

Maybe we should raid a meeting... With our cheese crisps, our naice ham and a gurt tub of Ff Greek yog Grin

Ilovemyteddy · 22/01/2013 17:06

WRT BMI:

The 'normal' weight range for my height is 139-155lbs on the BMI chart, which was the reason I set my target weight at 147lbs - right in the middle. I see it as more of an emotional help - having a 'number' to reach, rather than having any degree of accuracy as I was always told I was 'big-boned' but I have size 6 feet and small hands, and a long upper body, so think I am more likely to be 'average' boned Grin

PostBellumBugsy · 22/01/2013 17:16

So great to see everyone sticking with it. I downloaded a carb counter app on my phone (which was free) and I've found it really useful - but that is because I like seeing how many carbs I'm eating - you don't need one.

Really yummy treat - get some sliced pepperoni & grate some cheese on top of the slices - pop them in the oven or under the grill & you have little mini pizzas.

I don't weigh, but clothes continuing to feel looser & the difference in my face is very noticable - well to me anyway!

Keep going one & all - listen to BIWI's amazing advice & stick with it - because it really does work. Smile

WillieWaggledagger · 22/01/2013 17:18

CATHY I WANT PICTURES OF PUPPIES

(After you've had a hot drink and a sit down obv)

thekitchenfairy · 22/01/2013 17:22

Golly, between reading Platoon and Cathy I have come over all emotional.

Food is so linked to our emotions, it makes memories and it revives, but if the relationship isn't healthy it can be really destructive.

All a bit warm and fuzzy, but this has changed me forever, and I honestly thought I was the only one struggling, it's such a hard thing to talk about, especially as curvy often = happy... But when it's bad it's bad.

Get your stick out BIWI before we all get carried away and forget to cook dinner Grin

mumat39 · 22/01/2013 17:30

Cathy, congratulations. They sound adorable! Thanks and a cuppa Brew.

mumat39 · 22/01/2013 17:34

Willie, I was wondering if there are any stats available from the previous bootcamps, you know, like, how many started, how many lost weight, what the total weight loss was over the 10 week period?

I love stats me, and BIWI has done such an amazing thing o help so many people get started and to stick with this, I think it would be motivating to see what is possible, ESP as bootcamp lite is here now.

No worries if that's a bad idea, I'm just a bit into stats.

:)

PlatoonBuffoon · 22/01/2013 17:38

Congrats cathy. I want pictures too. They sounds adorable!

kitchenfairy I so agree. I always thought I was one of those people who enjoyed their food too much to be slim. And in that self deprecating way curvy people often develop, would quite happily tell people I was a greedy hedonist and proud. Now I feel like it might just be possible to be a greedy hedonist AND slim. It's like the holy grail for greedy hedonists everywhere! I've a way to go, but I'm feeling positive!

mumat39 · 22/01/2013 17:38

Talking of rubbish on the tv, has anyone seen the new government sponsored ad on how o eat healthily? It has three plasticine people in it and although it's right about things like sugar in processed foods, it is still also going on about how fat is bad! No mention of carbs spiking blood sugar etc.

Seriously, this has to be a conspiracy?

BIWI · 22/01/2013 17:43

BREAKING NEWS

For all those of you who were wanting crispy/crunchy snacks - I have been experimenting in the kitchen and have come up with some cheese flaxseed crackers that work out at 0.04g carbs each!

I adapted a Delia recipe for crackers made with wholemeal flour.

50g milled flaxseed (I used Linwoods, which I bought in Sainsbury's)
50g grated Cheshire cheese
50g grated Cheddar cheese
50g butter, at room temperature, cut into dice
1/4 teaspoon salt
pinch cayenne pepper
freshly ground pepper

Mix everything together as if you were going to make pastry (I did this by hand, but with retrospect it would have easier to use my food processor). It should come together quite easily in a dough.

Put a large piece of clingfilm down on your worktop and put the lump of dough in the middle of it, and top with another piece of clingfilm. This means that you can roll the dough out without having to use flour - so keeping the carbs as low as possible.

Now - when the dough was rolled out, I used a small biscuit cutter to make about 20 rounds (each about 2 inches across). I put these on a baking tray, on top of some greaseproof paper. However, when I baked them, and the butter and cheese melted, the flaxseed didn't absorb the fat, like flour would, so the whole lot melted into one big piece. But - when I took it out of the oven, it broke anyway, into individual pieces.

So - you could do what I did, or you could just roll the whole thin out thinly and bake it in one piece, and then cut it up when it comes out of the oven.

I baked them on a shallow oven tray, at 170 degrees (fan oven) for an initial 6 minutes, checked them and then gave them another 2 minutes, as the outside was crispy but the middle was still a bit soggy.

When they are cooked, they look sort of lacey, a bit like brandy snaps.

They are lovely!

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Kiriwawa · 22/01/2013 17:48

I had a nightmare last night that I accidentally ate a cake :o

It's like the nightmares I used to have where I was smoking after I'd given up. I have never had one about food before. I've been reading Andreas Swedish doctor's blog today which is v interesting and inspiring - there are some great before and after photos on there. So many of the low carb websites seem to be low carb/low fat ie just low calorie.

Ooh puppies - please can we have a photo? I need cuteness.

Welcome starshaker, I've been here less than a week (8 days of this WOE today) and it's a very friendly place to be.

Thanks all round

QuickLookBusy · 22/01/2013 17:50

Ooh BWIW, they sound delicious!

I'm really missing cheese with biscuits or bread, so will be running out to buy some flaxseed tomorrow.

Thank you!

BIWI · 22/01/2013 17:53

In the interests of absolute accuracy, I've added in the carb counts for the cheese, and the butter (I never knew that 100g butter has 1g carbs!), and for the whole mixture, it comes to 1.45g carbs. If you cut it into 20 pieces, that makes each one 0.07g carbs.

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WillieWaggledagger · 22/01/2013 17:54

Mumat39 we do have old stats but they would need a bit of cleaning up! I'll have a fiddle and see if I can do some thing over the next few days - it's a good idea

BIWI · 22/01/2013 17:54

They are very delicate, QLB - they won't necessarily carry a lump of cheese nor will you be able to spread any cheese on them. They're more like a substitute for crisps.

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Jacaqueen · 22/01/2013 18:12

I am having a great day.
Scales were 2lbs down.
I have been to the toilet and produced a large poo.
Just found out that waitrose opens near me on Thursday.

Then to top it all I come on here and you are all having a low carb love fest.

Fantastic.

timidviper · 22/01/2013 18:20

willie I have not weighed this week due to life's trials and tribulations but please don't take me off as, like Arnie, I'll be back!

Lavendersbluedillydilly1969 · 22/01/2013 18:26

Still too much cheese and cream today but less than usual and 3 litres of waterSmile.

Missed breakfast.
Lunch was 2 pork strips.
Dinner was roasted chicken thighs with a big pile of cabbage, leek, mushrooms and cauliflower in a homemade cheese sauce (could eat this every day).

A few cups of tea with cream and a tiny bit of Brie for a snack.

Still drinking water so will be closer to 4 litres by bedtime.
Tomorrow I'm going to cook a mince bolognese thing to have with cauliflower and cabbage so less cheese and cream.

Am hoping ketosis kicks in soon so won't be so hungry.

WillieWaggledagger · 22/01/2013 18:33

Don't worry viper I leave it t least two weeks anyway before removing people and I would jut have carried you over. Hope you're looking after you and yours xx

anewdispensation · 22/01/2013 18:45

Hi all.... having low carb shephersd pie with celeriac mash topping.. yummmmmy. Jeans are so loose now I need a new pair.

Bessie123 · 22/01/2013 18:47

Hmm, I had a bite of bread today. I made it and my dd said it was 'yucky' (she says that about everything I make Angry) so I tried it.

How bad is that? It feels ok..?

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 19:12

Just had halfthesize's garlic butter chicken wrapped in Parma ham. Was v nice but I left it in the oven too long I think. (With me and cooking I always know it's the workman to blame, not the tools!)

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 19:14

Kiriwawa that Andreas Swedish doctor dude is such a sweetie too Blush (sad)