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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

OP posts:
LucyVFood · 22/01/2013 20:33

I'd love to know how it goes Novelty!

JustasmallGless · 22/01/2013 20:33

I used to HATE courgette but I gave them a try on this WOE and I love them now!
I do the courgette ribbons - slice them up into strips but you can use a potato peeler and make strips with that. Fry the, up in olive oil. Yumsters.

If you had said 12 months ago that I would be eating spinach soup, courgette pasta and celeriac mash I would have laughed in your face!

TooImmatureMincePies · 22/01/2013 20:42

TheEarlyBird, that's more or less what I'm aiming at. If BMI of 25 is somewhere between 9 stone 6 and 9 stone 11, then my first goal is 9 stone 6 (currently around 9 stone 12). Then I want to be under 9 stone to even up with my twin sister. Or possibly be thinner than her for the first time ever

Starshaker, bacon is fine! It's just a bit processed, that's all, so not as good for you as normal meat/fish. But it shouldn't stop you losing weight, unless the saltiness causes you to retain water.

Beef stroganoff with cauli rice for dinner - mmm! Plus blueberries and rasps with cream (double mmm). I have decided to do this backwards - will start off on Bootcamp Light and then get stricter once I've adapted to the lc woe.

littlermissstan · 22/01/2013 20:46

Blimey, it's a proper love-in here this afternoon. I shall add to it by saying that despite never having met any of you I feel a million times more supported by you all than any of the people at SW. So Thanks to all.

And I second cauliflower rice - made the egg fried version from the recipe thread to have with salmon tonight and it's blimmin' GORGEOUS.

BIWI · 22/01/2013 21:13

thenightsky - Total 0 fat isn't so bad in terms of carbs, but it's because it doesn't have the fat and has more protein:

Total 0%fat has 10.3g protein per 100g, 4g carbs per 100g and 0 fat (obviously!)

Total full fat has 9g protein per 100g, 3.8g carbs per 100g and 5g fat per 100g

The difference isn't really that great, but you will notice it when you eat it! Lack of fat changes the texture especially.

OP posts:
Doshusallie · 22/01/2013 21:13

B - Greek yoghurt
L - small bowl of leftover egg-fried cauli rice from last night, 2 celery sticks with pâté and cheese
T - 3 egg mushroom omelette with a large green salad
S - some mattisons pork smoked sausage, and a pkt of pork scratchings (bobby's, do not recommend), 2 brazil nuts

Good work out at the gym this morning.
At least 3 litres of water, 2 decaf teas with splash of milk in each, 2 black decaf coffees, pint of berrocca one very weak gin and slimline tonic

Novelty - I bought a few 175g ff total yoghurt tubs and now that I have lidl ff yoghurt again I spoon it into one of those pots and treat that as a breakfast portion. It's about 5 very heaped table spoons.

Must try the courgette pasta, might do that tomorrow.

ToomuchWaternotWine · 22/01/2013 21:22

Ok I am only up to page 13 so far but want to say

mrshp bloody well done my lovely, that is a great achieve! Keep going.!

kitchenfairy that is also fantastic news, and absolute proof to me of the benefits of this woe, well done you too!

Welcome starshaker and welcome back mincepies gosh what a start to the year, I hope return to work not too hard, and it's lovely to see you again. But you need a name change please or I will start dreaming of Xmas goodies...

cathy squuueeeeeeeeeeeeeee well done mummy lab, and yes! Need pics! If you haven't posted some on your profile by the time I catch up to this post on page squillion, there will trouble! Wink

Right off to catch up to myself, it's like time travel on this thread, it zips so fast.

WillieWaggledagger · 22/01/2013 21:27

Don't apologise mumat39 it's a v good idea!

thekitchenfairy · 22/01/2013 21:30

I made the cream cheese pancakes for an after school snack with the DCs, they were lovely, a bit eggy, but they scarfed them down... Perhaps because I put cocoa powder in the last couple as an experiment..?? They approved, v much Grin

DH, however, did not like LC cauli cheese... Never mind, we have pork casserole and celeriac mash tomorrow, his fave!

It has been a bit of a love-iin today, can't believe so many inspirational stories, don't want to give anyone more work, but I am wondering how many of us did WW or SW, or if more than once found weight piled on around stomach... I can see a lot of similar stories on this thread and am intrigued...

Ilovemyteddy · 22/01/2013 21:43

Supersize superskinny banging on about saturated fat being bad - argh!!

ToomuchWaternotWine · 22/01/2013 21:44

Me again, at page 15 now, feeling the luurve Smile

lucy and novelty my tip for courgette pasta is to partially (or fully if you like) peel the courgette skin off first. I do mine in long stripes half on half off. Lessens the bitter flavour.

I learnt this in Italy many moons ago, and when DH saw Nigella do it, he was like "oh so you were right then" duh, thanks! Hmm what is it about our culture that we need something validated by a celebrity before we are convinced?

Speaking of celebrity, am laughing every time I see a Patsy Kensit poster for Weight Watchers. A stone in 14 weeks, love? Pah, I lost 20lbs in 10 weeks so ner ner ner ner ner!!!!! Grin

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 21:49

LucyV will do!

Gless and Dosh thanks for tips!

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 21:52

Haha I was looking at a Patsy Kensit WW poster just today Toomuch! They're desperately recruiting January joiners.

Thanks for the courgette skin tip - that's a really good idea. (And yes - you beat Nigella to it!)

pregnantpause · 22/01/2013 21:56

Hello, I'm new to bootcamping (started Monday ) and am hoping it'll be okay if I join the thread. I've been following the previous thread, the recipe thread, the question thread and this one, so without posting I'm feeling like a voyeurGrin
I'm on bootcamp and I know I've cheated, but today I had

b- grilled large mushroom topped with dollop of creme fraiche and poached egg, with wilted spinach and crispy bacon bits
l- salmon and veg stir fry (babycorn, tenderstem broc, mushrooms, ginger,garlic, green beans etc in sesame oil)
d- chicken stuffed with goats cheese wrapped in pancetta, with roast courgette and baby leaf salad.
s- two slices of ham spread with full fat cream cheese

well done to all the losers- I'm hoping to be with you next weekGrin

Ruprekt · 22/01/2013 22:00

I have been doing WW for years and must have paid thousands over the years for their products and cook books and the ritual humiliation of being weighed.

For the first time ever I am happy with what I am eating and I cannot see myself returning back to eating any other way.

WW - I want a refund!!!!!!

I did have a few Hmm faces today and I was cross as I didnt know what to say to defend myself.

'Low carb? that's the Atkins bloke diet who died of high cholestrol. do you want to die young? Angry

'Low carb leads to high cholesterol because of the high fat content of your diet and there is no getting away from it. '

eeeeeeek! I stood there like a dummy. What do I say?

SavoirFaire · 22/01/2013 22:03

Evening all. What a great few pages of thread - such fabulous stories and positivity has made me smile at the end of a verrrry long work day. Thank you all!! Oooh and puppies. How exciting.

Back to my mundane day:
B: 2 eggs and butter
L: Leftover mince and lots of veg from dinner last night.
D: Chicken casserole with aubergine and courgettes, served with asparagus. Followed by a bowl of FF yoghurt with a tiny drop of vanilla in it, which tasted like the best pudding ever.

ToomuchWaternotWine · 22/01/2013 22:04

Blush at beating Dame Nigella of Voluptuous Fabulousness at anything.

Bloody hell a whole massive load of snow just slid off the roof of the house and crashed past the bay window as I was typing and scared the bejesus out of me! Yipes!

And where are the puppy pics cathynclaire ? What do we want? Cuteness! When do we want it? Now!! Hope mummy and babies are doing well.

DharmaBumpkin · 22/01/2013 22:04

Hiya, long time no catch up! Started a new job last week so have been too busy to keep up with the thread. BUT have still been low carbing pretty well, had a 'snow day' over the weekend but quickly got back on track.

Could someone update my weight on the spreadsheet please? Didn't drop much but this is week three for me so I was half expecting that. I'm now 191.8, which means I've lost 5kg exactly :) Am very pleased!

When I get to goal I will probably try to add a few more 'carby veg' like potatoes & sweet corn back onto the menu, but I honestly don't think I'll ever want to eat wheat /rice etc again. I am enjoying eating this way more than I would have thought possible. One month ago I was horrified at the thought of 'having' to eat salads for lunch, now I enjoy them so much I quite often have one for dinner too!

ToomuchWaternotWine · 22/01/2013 22:11

Oh I should probably post my days food (instead of blathering on)

B my usual, 2 eggs scrambled with butter and cream
L tuna mixed with mayo and pancetta (which I fried first in butter) and wrapped in little gem lettuce
S a lick of peanut butter and a nibble of salad
T was just me and I really wasn't hungry (I had drunk lots of water as was hoovering and de-dog hair ing the whole house so thirsty) but I spread some very good pâté on a big slice of naice ham with a couple of strips of cucumber and yummmmm it was good. Could go another one just now, actually .....

Ruprekt · 22/01/2013 22:13

B - 2 eggs, bacon and half an avocado

L - Broccoli and stilton soup with parmesan on top

D - Chicken breast with celeriac chips (WOW! MEGA!) and creamed cabbage

Really delicious.

JustasmallGless · 22/01/2013 22:25

Ruprekt
Are you reading round the science but now? I can't recommend this enough and when people come out with the inevitable. Comments as you have experienced you can blind them with science

Ps Atkins didn't die of heart attack caused by high cholesterol - cant link on this phone but google it!

Glad you are enjoying food again!

halfthesize · 22/01/2013 22:25

hello pregnantpause. really hope you enjoy this woe as much as I haveGrin
forgot to say earlier WELL DONE MrsHP Grin Grin Grin

littlermissstan · 22/01/2013 22:26

Ruprekt, it's urban myth about Atkins dying from high cholesterol - he slipped on ice and smashed his head! So there's one answer anyway :)

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 22:35

Ruprekt I really recommend watching the talk by the Swedish doc (Andreas something) that BIWI posted about two days ago. If I can find it I'll repost. He gives answers for everything, and in such an easy to remember way.

You'll slay 'em with your low carb chat in no time!

NoveltySlippers · 22/01/2013 22:36

Welcome pregnantpause!