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Week 3 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Full Fat or Light?

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BIWI · 20/01/2013 17:08

So we've completed the hardest part of Bootcamp. Now is the time, if you wish, to relax things a little, and to move on to Bootcamp Light.

On the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness you will - after weighing in, of course - find the rules for Bootcamp Light. However, as I know some people can't access the spreadsheet easily, here they are:

Bootcamp Light

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium, magnesium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado and spinach is a good source of magnesium. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

OP posts:
GuyMartinsSideburns · 22/01/2013 13:12

Hello all, lovely to read such fab posts! This is a lovely thread Smile I was always more of a lurker than a poster, Id been on here for about 6 years then decided to namechange and start afresh. Im pleased that Im posting a lot more often than I ever did before, its helping me feel more 'in the loop' and you're all really helping so much. If Id kept quiet I doubt Id have got this far.

Im still at 126lbs, so presuming I leave the spreadsheet alone? In anycase I cant see where Im meant to enter a new weight anyway. If anyone can do whatever needs doing (if anything) Id appreciate it. Thanks

WillieWaggledagger · 22/01/2013 13:21

you all say it much better than i could... this WOE has changed not only my weight for the better but also my eating behaviour and entire relationship with food. i am annoyed with myself for being so frankly cruel to my own body and mind for so long

you are all so fab and supportive Thanks

WillieWaggledagger · 22/01/2013 13:22

guy it's column K, you're already in there so don't worry

Yama · 22/01/2013 13:29

Can I ask a favour please? Can somebody add me to the Spreadsheet? Monday I weighed in at 138.5. I think that's right - 9 stone 12 and a half.

I'm in the middle of house move hell so no internet and I can't open the spreadsheet at work - access denied!

Thanks.

TooImmatureMincePies · 22/01/2013 13:34

Hello all you lovely losers! I fell off the wagon with a crash last week (think I had New Year-itis, started this woe plus Shred plus went back to work after mat leave and it was all a bit much) but am back on the straight and narrow now! I'm not going to weigh-in until Monday, though - am too scared to look right now! LC shop has been done and DH batch-cooked lots of lovely meals and packed them ready to take for lunch all week.

B was Tesco Greek-style yog, which is higher carb than Total or even the Tesco Finest stuff, but it was all there was in the Tesco Metro near work when I realised that I had taken lunch but not breakfast.

L: Chicken Caesar salad with home-made dressing and halloumi croutons.

Snacks so far have been a Baby Bel and a mini Pepperami, and I'm on my third 750ml bottle of water.

slatternlymother · 22/01/2013 13:42

Now stay there! Just do one thing at a time. Maybe do 2 weeks of this WOE, then add exercise in slowly. Maybe make it a 60 day shread instead Wink

Going back to work after mat leave is really hard on you, I remember it well. The temptation to comfort eat is huge. Just concentrate on this WOE for now. That's quite enough for anyone to cope with.

TooImmatureMincePies · 22/01/2013 13:53

Thank you, Slatternly, what a lovely welcome!

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 22/01/2013 14:03

Yayyy to MrsHP and thekitchenfairy - that is such fantastic news!!! Thanks So happy for you both - it's such a wonderful feeling psychologically to break the stone barrier, and also very encouraging to hear that (for kitchenfairy at least) it it the bad fat going first.

Yes there may be a reason why some of you STSs are already there... [blush} Willie that's why I didn't fiddle it back - I wasn't sure who was already meant to be there, and who I'd fiddled with.

B ham and cheese
S Salami
L cold roast beef, tiny bit of horseradish sauce, half a tomato, mozzarella, olives, little gem, olive oil

Not sure what I'm having for supper yet. All this talk of celeriac virginity is leading me to lustful thoughts for celeriac.

Has anyone tried making fishcakes with celeriac?? Was thinking celeriac and salmon fishcakes could be rather nice.

WillieWaggledagger · 22/01/2013 14:22

don't be daft choo, it doesn't matter, it's only a bit of fun Grin

i've made fishcakes with mashed cauli which were nice but fell apart a bit - celeriac sounds an excellent idea

EwanHoozami · 22/01/2013 14:36

tooimmature welcome back. halloumi croutons are a baddass idea. I'm pinching that!

EwanHoozami · 22/01/2013 14:38

choo when I made fishcakes with mashed celeriac they ended up a bit soggy.

Ilovemyteddy · 22/01/2013 15:32

Bum! I love fish cakes and I love celeriac so I was hoping that they would have worked.

Great news about your fat test KitchenFairy. And I loved your post Platoon. I've never been to WW or SW. Any time I've dieted in the past it's just been me following the low-fat bolleaux that is pedalled by the medics, the Government and the food giants. The weight has come off, but I've made myself ill in the process, and as soon as I've started eating 'normally' it's all gone back on again. This WOE works because of the variety of yummy food you can eat, and because of BIWI, the spreadsheet, and you lot out there Thanks

Did anyone see Embarrassing Fat Bodies this week? Same old low-cal shite. One woman was offered gastric surgery with no mention of dieting/changing her way of eating. It's just a programme that plugs private 'health' practitioners IMVHO

Angry
JustasmallGless · 22/01/2013 15:32

I think I'm going to have to give up work soon just to keep up with the thread.
I'm not ashamed to say I am sitting here with a tear in my eye. It is fantastic that this WOE and MN can help so many people.

I can't stress enough what a positive impact it has had on my life.

Luffs you all

Throws a few of these to todays main speakers Flowers and to BIWI for starting us off and keeping us in line Flowers

JustasmallGless · 22/01/2013 15:33

ilovemyteddy - didn't see that one but I get really cross when I see this sort of shit.

Everything I read about low fat/low cal just smacks of goverment conspiracy with the food industry

Angry
starshaker · 22/01/2013 15:36

OK nothing else seems to be working so thought id give this a go. Not got a clue what im meant to be doing though

Doshusallie · 22/01/2013 15:41

Welcome starshaker. You need the Spreadhseet of Fabulousness, not to record your weight or weight loss if you don't want to but for all the information on it - allowed veg, some links to the science behind this way of eating if you want to feel informed (recommended) and what you can eat. Think it might be at the beginning of the thread? If not someone can link you to it.

Huge health benefits to eating this way, so jump aboard!

EwanHoozami · 22/01/2013 15:42

Hi starshaker have a look at the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet linked to in the OP. If you're just starting out, you need to follow the Bootcamp rules for a fortnight. Lots of info in there about allowed veg, further reading etc.

If you're completely new to this way of eating, Escape The Diet Trap by John Briffa is the one to read (his summaries at the end of each chapter make it really easy to get the gist quickly)

and welcome! :)

EwanHoozami · 22/01/2013 15:44

Aw, everyone's getting all fluffy. We luffs you too, Gless.

BIWI · 22/01/2013 15:47

Oh goodness! I may have to start ranting and waving my big stick around soon to stop crying!

Thanks
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FurryDogMother · 22/01/2013 15:50

I'm hopping up and down with joy at the way people are finding out that this WOE works, and is really quite enjoyable. I've been telling people for years that low carb is the way to go - even (cough) if I didn't manage to stick to it beyond the 3 year mark myself the first time, which is why I'm here. I totally understand the urge to get all evangelical about it - but I try to resist that unless I've had a few drinks nowadays, else I end up getting into arguments.

I'm another one who gets really angry at the way low fat/low cal is still being promoted - it's not in the interests of companies like WeightWatchers, Slimming World etc. for us to lose the weight and keep it off - they want us to keep on paying them!

Well done everyone who has lost this week - and huge thanks to BIWI for starting this, and working o hard on it - really appreciated!

cathyandclaire · 22/01/2013 15:51

Awww < wipes tear from eye> I'm a little over emotional (and knackered) because we've just had 6 wriggly snuggly little labrador puppies....they are cuter than cute and all doing well, no resuc needed, will post pics when I can pull myself together!
We've had an hour gap since the last one so just waiting to see if there's any more.
Have not eaten a single sensible thing all day, just coffee and fridge surfing for cheese and left overs.

BIWI · 22/01/2013 15:55

Puppies! Grin

You must set up a Facebook page IMMEDIATELY so that we can all coo over them. What do you mean you're tired? Get on with it!

Wink
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TooImmatureMincePies · 22/01/2013 16:18

Ewan, I'd love to take credit for it but it was suggested by someone else on these threads - can't remember who, though. You're right, it is LUSH.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but did anyone read a story in The Times on Saturday about a new BMI calculation? It basically said that short people actually need to be lighter than previously thought, whereas tall people can be heavier. So someone of 5'2" (like me) used to be overweight at 9 stone 11, whereas now it'd be 9 stone 6. Sad (Item: last time I weighed pre-binge I was 9 stone 12). DH at 5'11" would gain an extra half-stone allowance, though. This is because taller people have more bone/muscle mass. I was annoyed - I was nearly in a normal weight range and now I've got about half a stone to go!

Doshusallie · 22/01/2013 16:24

Tooimmature do not listen to that BMI shit. It is all bollocks and does not take build or stature into consideration.

Yay To mrs HP!!! Grin

Double hurray to new puppies! Congratulations Cathy! Grin Grin

TooImmatureMincePies · 22/01/2013 16:27

Puppies! So cute! Envy of puppy cuteness.