Week 2 - New Year Low Carb Bootcamp - Half way there!

[BigStickBIWI]

Sorry to be a bit late this morning - no doubt you're all chomping at the bit to declare all on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

Did my 2 week weigh in, and Im UP 4 lbs! How? The only difference between last week (down 12lbs) and this week is 1 extra zumba class, some vodka & a handfull of peanuts last saturday, 5 pecan nuts during the week & 2 squares of dark choc. Is that really 4lbs worth? Crikey :( I have masses of weight to lose, this has set me back. I have been posting my daily menus, and no-one has mentioned I have done anything wrong.

Staying the same, I think I could cope with. Gaining, I didnt expect, not this early on.

I am totally dejected.

Bessie and Frenchfries - I've had two MMCs, which resulted in two ERPCs . The best bit of advice I got after the first one was to cut myself some slack. My hormones were going to be all over the place for quite a while and not to be surprise or guilty if I was angry or upset for no apparent reason.

{{{Hugs}}} to you both.

Oh god, I feel terrible. I'm sorry Frenchfries. I just barged in yabbering about my curry and wedding and then went back and read the other posts from today. I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope you are ok.

Ps highly recommend BIWI's chicken pizza! That was one of my faves last time round

blaxkaffronted 12lbs was so much in the first week do you think
It could have been a mis-weigh? Have you drunk enough water this week and not had extra teas /coffees etc? If soni reckon perhaps last week was a scale issue. Having said that if you have come out of kerosine but are still eating high fat this woe can be very unforgiving... List again the last three days food for us...

frenchfries - sorry to hear about your miscarriage. Be kind to yourself, it's early days.

blackaffronted - aaaaarrrghhh! I know how you feel - I get like this too. It seems one step forward then three steps back at time and I'm so impatient when it comes to losing weight. I just want to wake up one morning with the figure of my DD1 (18) - I just have to get my head round the fat that that is Not Going To Happen.

By the way, I love your username - my mum used to say that all the time when I was growing up, 'Jings! Yer no' gaun oot like that are ye? Ah'm black affrontit!'.

bessie and frenchfries I'm so sorry for your losses

frenchfries I'm sorry for your loss. I've only been on these boards a short time but I've noticed there is lots of support out there.

Drumroll please... I was almost 2lb down this morning! So after a few days of no change, I've had a whoosh this morning. Thank you to everyone who posted yesterday after my whinge. I was feeling a bit low and you helped to sew what a 'narna I was being. Your all very kind.

Nelly, my mum & granny speak like that

Ill go back through the thread and see what Ive had last few days, cant remember off the top of my head. I dont drink tea/coffee, and always drink plenty water. My fat intake was high, small amount of cream, no cheese or yog.

Are a few nuts & 2 squares of dark choc spread through the week enough to knock you out of ketosis then? Crikey.

Im not sure its a scale issue, I feel bloated this week, my jeans felt slightly snugger yesterday :(

wed -
B - 2 egg, 2 bacon, mushrooms, mayo at a cafe
L - 2 chicken thighs with skin & mayo
S before Zumba - 2 pork belly slices
D - DH wanted a takeaway, so I had the roast platter from our local Chinese (chicken, pork & dry spare ribs). I added a couple of teaspoons of the gravy that came with it.

thurs -
B - 2 eggs scrambled, 2 bacon
L - McDonalds bacon & chicken salad - surprisingly filling! Left most of the carrot. No dressing.
S - Chicken thigh & mayo
D - Slow cooked pork belly, crispy crackling, fried leeks in butter & cream

Fri -

Wasnt hungry til 11am, then had bacon, eggs & mushrooms.
Lunch was Biwis amazing crackiling plus left over pork
Dinner tonight is going to be a chicken kebab & salad, minus the pitta for me

Morning, Im still at 9st! At least its not going upwards I guess
This morning I had scrambled eggs. Think it'll be tuna and mayo for lunch. I'll keep sticking at it and glugging the water and maybe I'll have a whoosh soon!

Better go add my 4lb gain to the spreadsheet

I am still in bed!!

Had tea. Must eat something.

Very snowy here. Cannot be bothered to go out in it though. got very cold yesterday.

BlackAffronted - or you could always delay your weighing-in day until Monday, so you're aligned with the rest of us?

A couple of things occur to me:

• last week you had a huge loss - it could just be your body adjusting to that
• it could be that your scales aren't as accurate as they should be, and that they bounce up and down more than they should (so in other words, you may not actually have lost as much last week)
• you have had two meals out - and I reckon the Chinese one could have been very carby, especially if you had some of the gravy. There is often a lot of sugar (as well as thickeners) in Chinese restaurant food
• you aren't eating much veg/salad and you're eating a lot of protein; protein can also provoke an insulin release - although much less than carbs; try adding more veg

But above all, don't stress about it! You have still seen a significant loss!

Hello all, didn't make it on yesterday as was at a funeral. The food there was a challenge, all sandwiches and sausage rolls so I ended up not eating anything. I should have got myself organised and eaten beforehand. Was starving by the time I got home but proud of myself for resisting carb temptation.

I've enjoyed eggs and bacon this morning with spinach and mushrooms and looking forward to some salmon tonight.

Right off to hairdresser to get my greys sorted out, have a good Saturday everyone.

Meant to ask, anyone know of any cold remedies I can take which don't contain sugar? Seems that all of them contain sucrose and aspartame. I've taken some paracetamol but I think a hot lemon drink would be more comforting.

BIWI glad to see you here - Sorry for the essay but I have an important question I wanted to ask you as I know you've done so much reading/research around low carbing.

Was doing my Saturday morning browse of The Guardian today, and clicked on What doctors won't do: From steroids to sleeping tablets, IVF to the flu jab ? doctors reveal the treatments they would avoid

Annoyed to read this, as one of the 'would never do's was the following:

....follow a low-carb diet

The GP goes on to say:

"I would never go on a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet like Atkins, Dukan or Cambridge. Why? Because although you will probably lose weight, they may kill you. Don't take my word for it ? read about the 43,396 Swedish women followed for an average of 15 years. Those who stuck to low carbs and high protein had a rising risk of dying from heart attacks and strokes, depending on how strict they were and for how long they endured them. There was a staggering 62% higher risk of such illnesses among the women eating the strictest diet over those who ate normally. Eating is for enjoyment; these diets turn food into medication, and it's patently the wrong medicine ? it is often lethal."
Tom Smith, GP

Now - I work with and have friends who are GPs and know very well that they do not know everything (by their very nature as generalists, this is inevitable/obvious!). I also know that they are not (in the main) academically trained in evaluating research, and the conclusions he draws from reading that study will be no more informed really than any non-clinical person reading it.

So what I want to know is - from your reading BIWI (or any other of you experienced low carbers) - have you read about any responses to this Swedish study, i.e. critiques of it?

I'd like some reassurance that the methodology was unsound - something to make me not worry about it! From my reading of Taubes and Briffa, I'm fairly sure that the conclusions drawn in this Swedish study can't be right. Unfortunately, although I'm a researcher myself, I'm not equipped to evaluate the robustness of this particular type of study.

Any thoughts gratefully received!

Ah yes. There is a lot of stuff about that I remember. The study was shocking from a methodological point of view, I think. Hang on and I'll see what I can find out.

Zoe Harcombe for a start ...

Thanks BIWI. The Guardian has a link to the study's abstract - it's here: Low carbohydrate-high protein diet and incidence of cardiovascular diseases in Swedish women: prospective cohort study

blackaffronted it's not Monday yet, no need to add yourself to the spreadsheet -of doom- just yet!

penny same here; after nothing all week I've jumped 4lbs. 14lbs off so far; I don't know what that is in kg I'm afraid.

Had big 200g bowl of plain yoghurt this morning, and although I'm not hungry I had some M&S prawn cocktail (ff natch) and a few bits of their crispy bacon strips, because I'm going to soft play hell in a moment

See you all on the other side

[[http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-it-time-to-retire-the-low-carb-diet-fad/#axzz2IQS5ULnD here] I think this is about that 'study'

and Dr John Briffa ...

It's a talk given by Dr Andreas Eenfeldt with some stuff about what is going on in Sweden, and some really interesting statistics

It's a long piece to watch, so if you haven't got long, just watch the first 10 minutes