Paul McKenna's non diet. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends. Thread 7.

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONCIOUSLY
4. STOP when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches so forget diets, they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here is the book on AMAZON which is all you need to get started!

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us. We are friendly, supportive and successful but we're not hungry!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

Hi movingon :)

I have definitely found PMK helps with the self-sabotage. It does still happen, but I recognise it for what it is while it happens which stops it 90% of the time so a definite improvement!

I think 2lbs a week is definitely achievable doing this, you will be amazed how little you eat some meals and still feel full.

Much, much better day today. I am really enjoying doing 10 minutes yoga before sleep, really helps me switch off which I think is helping :)

Morning all. Just checking in before the babies wake (again).

Could I check what self-sabotage is? What if I'm suffering from it and don't know?!

I had a funny day yesterday. I did eat what I wanted when hungry, stop when full and try to enjoy it as much as possible with two small sprogs about, but I felt floppy, like I was on a sugar low all day. It's quite likely to be exhaustion, having done an early run and then overdone the housework all day while DD was at nursery. I think I'm going to try getting a bit more breakfast down me this morning and see if that makes a difference.

I'm amazed by how mindlessly I can eat if I let myself. If there's something out on the counter, I pick at it without really knowing I'm doing it. There is still a long way to go, at the moment the food seems to control me!

Good luck today everybody. It sounds like you're all doing great.

Morning all another early bird heynonny i feel that way either if i've had a broken night or too much sleep or i'm going down with something or i've been eating wheat ('cos i don't usually eat it). Self sabotage is eating or picking as you say when you DON'T feel hungry!!

Stripey when you say you've had a hungry day does it mean you're letting yrself feel hungry? 'cos you know you MUST eat when you feel hungry don't you?

Morning all and welcome to movingon.

Self-sabotage (which sadly is probably my specialist subject) is basically when you are on the road to achieving your goals and you then do something to sabotage them which means that you can't achieve them. It happens in weight loss when you eat something you know you don't want or need but it is also very likely that if you do it with eating you do it elsewhere of life. I know for example that if I don't get enough sleep I will find it very hard to go lose weight (hormones and whatnot - too much or too little sleep mean it is difficult to lose weight) but I don't go to bed. In the last few years I have been studying - I know when the deadlines are yet i leave the work until the last minute and then have to rush it. I do OK but how much better could I have done if I allow more time?

It is about holding back from not doing your best. Why do we do it? I am not sure and it probably varies from person to person. Some of us might be rebelling against other people and the control we think they are trying to manipulate us with ('I'm not losing weight just because you say so'). It might be fear of success 'if I do well in my course will people expect me to know what i am talking about' or 'will they expect me to be able to maintain this weight indefinitely if I reach my goal - what if I can't?'). I reckon most of the time it is tied up with self esteem and we don't feel like we deserve good things happening to us even if we have worked to achieve them so we don't work quite as hard as we could or should and so we don't have to worry about it. Where we are now, and what we have now is safe - we already live with it and even if it makes us unhappy we don't want to risk the possibility that success won't make us feel any better.

Anyway, PMcK tries to bolster your self esteem by getting you to do visualisation exercises so that you visualise how you and your life will be different if you just lost weight, and how good it would be. Which is great but you still have to actually do the visualisation or follow the principles and ultimately nobody can make you do that.

And now, instead of spouting psychobabble on the internet, I need to get on with my course work or it will be rushed and I will remain behind an won't be the success I want it to be. Back to my City and Guilds course tomorrow and I haven't started the assessed work that needs to be in next week. And so the sabotage continues......

Morning all.

No ppeat I don't leave myself hungry. That bit really has clicked. What seems to happen to me is that some days I can have breakfast, lunch, dinner and feel so satisfied that not only do I not need to snack but I also seem to forget about food in between times.
Other days, though, I eat, chew, stop but am hungry again only an hour or so later

I am trying to really concentrate on eating consciously to make sure that isn't the difference between these days.

Self sabotage is a bitch isn't it? I have lost 5.5lbs in 3 weeks and I was so pleased but I must be losing it on odd places because my jeans feel just as tight .
In resisting the urge to say, 'why do I bother then' and eat the contents of the kitchen. Help!

Hold my hand please.

I am feeling really worried today. DD has not managed school again, so it's starting to look more and more likely that I will lose my job. They've been great for a year, but it's dragging on. I have a meeting with them next week. Whilst she is ill we can claim benefits, but when she has finally finished treatment it will leave me out of work and skint and I'm the main earner . Getting another job will be tough as I'll be 2 years behind other applicants and lots more expensive to employ. DH has offered to give up his job so I can go back, but she needs me to look after her as some of the issues she has are quite personal, plus I couldn't be at work if she was in hospital. (DH is step-dad.)

Sooooo fed up. I was really hoping her return would go more smoothly this time.

I must not open the cupboard door at the moment as I am not really hungry. Even though I really, really want to .

Oh no, Kinky. That is really bad news. Is your DD going to be off school for long do you think, or is it more the problem it is odd days and you don't know when or where they will be?

Can you take an unpaid leave of absence until your DD's treatment is finished? I am not sure what it will do to your benefits but it might be worth investigating. I don't know what you do but if getting behind with the latest developments is a problem, maybe you could work one day a month to keep up. It would be terrible if you had to give up your job.

Anyway, big (((hugs))) to you. Step away from the cupboard and distract yourself as much as possible, that is all I can suggest. Make sure you do eat when you are even beginning to get hungry so you aren't tempted to wolf things down as you might if you leave it too long. Maybe have a drink to fill you up and stop those cravings if you aren't really but just need something - I find a low cal hot choc is good for that. It is more substantial than a cup of tea or coffee and I rarely have it so it feels like a treat.

Hope your day get better.

Dorito I'm holding your hand. What a difficult situation. I'm pretty sure your employer will be under a duty to make reasonable adjustments to your work, while you are your daughters carer, as your daughter is classed as disabled while she is so seriously ill. The difficulty is that it sounds like they have been acting very fairly to date, and there does reach a point where adjustments become unreasonable to have to make. Having said all that, I really don't know the law in this area, so get yourself down to a CAB and/or refer to the latest guidance on the Equality Act 2010 which is here Codes and here Guidance. At least that way you can go into the scary meeting next week feeling a bit informed.

Thanks Ppeat and BBB, great explanations. Now I get self-sabotage, will have a think about its application to me! Feeling much better today.

Welcome movingon Dead easy to loose a stone on this IMO and E!

kinky what can I say I don't know what yr DDs school is like is there maybe another one somewhere which she could cope with?

Stripey I know that hunger after an hour thing It's weird isn't it? I seem to get it a lot ; I hardly ever go even 3 hours between meals I either just go out for a walk with a bottle of water or make a hot drink like BBB (i like green tea and mint 'cos you get some flavour from the mint and some caffeine from the green tea) Also they're a diuretic; oh dear do I sound obsessed? and I said before I have a STRONG camomile tea before bed.

Sorry heynonny glad you're feeling better today How are you solo ?

Oh Kinky :( I've no advice at all, just a hand hold

Yes I get that hungry after an hour thing. It can be real bugger because it tends to strike just when I'm trying to get sorted to take DS1 to preschool. I find that if I can get past it and get out of the house, then by the time I've had a walk and then a glass of water when I get home I'm not hungry until lunchtime.

Today is going well. DS2 had a nap in the buggy after we took DS1 to preschool, so I had a cup of coffee and then lay down to listen to the CD. Just getting hungry now so I need some lunch and then a quick tidy before pick-up time.
Jeans feel looser today :)

Sorry meant to say earlier Stripy - well done on your loss. I think 5.5lbs is a bit soon to be feeling the benefits though unless you have very little to lose (sorry I can't find on the thread if you said)

What has most likely happened is that you have lost the 5.5lbs from all over the place which is why it isn't making your jeans any less tight because have lost from your upper body too. Ime, it takes over a stone in loss to actually feel the difference too - that is not just now when I am very over-weight like now but even when I wasn't. That is me though and we are all different but maybe you are more inclined that way too? I just think I must be very densely made.

Stick with it - use other guides or milestones as as your motivation. For example, 1.5lbs more and you have lost half a stone which is a significant amount I think. If I lose that I know it isn't an accident as my weight never fluctuates by that much on a day to day basis. That is real loss - not that 5.5lbs isn't but if you can say your loss in stones even if it half of one that feels great. - you are so nearly there!

And stay away from the cupboard!!

Hi everyone, I was directed here by Alibaba when I mentioned that I was trying the Paul McKenna approach on another thread.

I'm currently about 10st 6 and 5 ft 4, I have a reasonably solid build and am an apple, so currently my spare tire is wider than my hips Ideally I reckon I could do with loosing about a stone maybe more, although if I could get rid of this lump of belly flab I don't think I'd care what I weighed.

I started reading his book and listening to the CD just before christmas, only about half way through the book and have listened to the CD about 5 times. It is definitely have some positive impact, I feel more positive about myself (new years resolution was to stop telling myself I hate me because I'm a fat lump) and I am definitely eating less during the day. However, I am still having a bit of trouble resisting the chocolate and various other crap food of an evening. Think this may be due to a too late dinner time that fits in with DS in bed and DH home from work rather than my hunger patterns.

Looking forward to finding out how all of you get on with this and any tips you have for controlling the comfort eating.

Interesting thread about sabotage Bertha. I sabotage my work by mucking around on MN. Mainly because I'm bored and MN is more fun.

Interesting post, not thread. Sorry

Hugs to kinky btw.

And welcome furryone

I managed to get the book from the library today but the cd wasn't there. I will be able to get the cd on friday.

Do you all listen too the cd every night?

No but I get the feeling I really should. I might have more sustained success. I have never really got into a routine, just listen as and when. Some people swear by it and I have never given it time to really kick in I don't think. I really should. If I resolve to do nothing else this New Year, maybe this should be the exception and something I should try for a month.

OMG Girls you need to kick my giant arse. I cannot get myself motivated. I've listened to the cd once since new year and it hasn't stopped the constant flow of food into my mouth. HELP ME! I really, really need to lose some weight in the next few months (big family occasion and general giant flabbiness - gone up a dress size since last year) and also for the summer (another big occasion). I just can't get in the pauling zone. I was so good last year and it worked so easily. Why can't I get my mojo back???

Hi furryone :) Evenings are my downfall too, it can all be going well up to that point and then fall apart!

Gig I was really struggling with mojo too, but I've made myself make time to listen to the CD more and it is really paying off. Before I would put it on as I went to bed, and I think that I was actually falling asleep and it wasn't working properly. I've started listening at other times of the day, and just going straight to sleep on the days when I don't have an opportunity until bedtime.

moving - not every day, but I try to most days.

Bertha, I just read your post from 09.31 today and it's actually really struck a chord with me. Self sabotage is exactly what I do, from weight loss, to uni work. I won't go on too much about my childhood etc. but I can track it back quite far and know why, but have never really realisedIm doing it! Thank you, you speak a lot of sense.

I've been doing really well until last night when I ate a piece of leftover Xmas cake, kidding myself that I would be allowed it because I'd done so well. Then put it into my food tracker thing on my iPad and realised it was about 300calories worth! I went to bed feeling v guilty last night. Back on track today though. I've been eating healthily/Pauling for a week tomorrow. Haven't weighed myself yet and don't feel as though I've lost anything, but we'll see.

KinkyDorito, I'm sorry to hear about your DD :( I don't know what to say that may help but I am thinking of you. What job do you do? Maybe you can use the meeting to come to some sort of a deal re: hours with them?

Thanks for all the hugs and hand holds. I'm going to feel anxious and shite until the meeting which is next week. Given I already suffer with anxiety from the past year, then it's not helping much.

It would be nice just to have one settled course of action; part of what makes me unnerved is the changing all the time.

Anyway, have stuck to it. I just need to keep going for about 6 weeks until I'm certain it's becoming habit. I'd like to say 3, but I know myself too well .

Kinky - I would also like to send support, I really hope u get something sorted out about work, and I hope your dd's treatment works well. Xx

Thanks guys for your encouraging words. You are totally right BBB I have lost weight from my face (not a bad thing) and chest area above boobs. I think it is just such a boost to the ego when jeans feel looser. Well done Ali

I had 42lbs to lose so 36.5lbs to go

Hand holding Kinky I'm afraid I have no wise words but we are here for you sound off to.

Hi to everyone and newbies. Oh and to whoever asked yes I listen to the trance every night. Sometimes again if DS gets me up because I know it'll make me really sleepy.