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A space to talk openly about weight loss journeys and challenges. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Starting today... 2st to lose.

999 replies

owlets · 31/05/2011 09:15

Whilst shopping with my super slim friend over the weekend I realised just how fat I feel - and getting on the scales provided proof. I've put on 2 stone - 1 stone of which has come on very recently ( think a month or two?!).
Other than looking lumpy and increasingly featureless, my legs are achy and I don't feel like I've woken up properly ever.
So, I'm going to start on the diet today. The plan is to eat lots of veg and fruits, lean meats, and limited carbs. I'm going to have 3 decent sized meals a day, and not snack unless I'm truely hungry.

I'm going to weigh myself and post on here every Tuesday. Anyone who wants to join in please do!

Starting weight; 11st 13.
(Target weight 10st so 1st 13lbs to lose)

OP posts:
madwomanintheattic · 20/11/2011 07:20

ah well, at least you enjoyed yourself! Grin

i bumped into a friend of a friend today who runs a bootcamp class and promised to call her.... Shock what have i doooooone? another friend says she has lost 15 lbs just by going twice a week. not sure how long fir though....

moosemama · 20/11/2011 10:36

Bootcamp! Shock You are very brave!

My 6oz is still staying put, despite doing a full Banish Fat workout yesterday. Hmm No time to workout today unfortunately. I always think I will have more time to work out at weekends, but it never seems to be the case. Confused

madwomanintheattic · 20/11/2011 16:49
Grin i suspect 'foolish' might be more appropriate...
moosemama · 20/11/2011 17:06

Came home early after ds1 had a meltdown at MILs birthday party, another tantrum in the car on the way home and yet another on the driveway.

I finally had enough, came inside and ate three Tesco Rocky Caramel bars back to back, follwed by a whole packet of dd's toilet training chocolate buttons. Blush Sad

I am so cross and disappointed with myself now. Its the first time since starting my diet in June that I've resorted to food when I couldn't cope, but after a whole day of writing, re-writing, scrapping and re-writing ds1's SA request yesterday, two late nights which were then liberally disturbed by ds1 and him being completely off the wall all weekend I suppose I finally cracked.

Ho hum, suppose I'll have to just draw a line under it and start again in the morning. Sad

Lambskin · 20/11/2011 19:20

I've been doing stuff like that constantly moose, I think that if you stick to the 80/20 rule you should be fine.

I was 10 st 2.8 on Friday. I haven't been able to get near the iPad since last time, despite asking nicely and then begging.

Hooray Madwoman! on your loss and on your ds's achievements Grin

moosemama · 20/11/2011 20:26

10st 2.8 is fantastic Lamb - well done! Grin

I think the 80/20 thing might have gone out the window this weekend, what with the meal out with dessert on Friday, slice of Tarte Au Citron whilst working on the SA request last night and then my chocolate binge this evening. Blush

I am determined not to dwell on it though, as it will only end with me feeling worse and craving more, iyswim.

I will be back on track tomorrow morning, although still not sure if I will get to work out. I have all my evidence and appendices for the application laid out on Mums massive dining table, so have to go over there first thing and spend the day re-writing my parental advice with her - again. Hmm

moosemama · 22/11/2011 18:50

Hi folks, I am being made to pay for my dieting sins at the weekend with a horrible stomach bug. Hmm

Am consoling myself with the thought that hopefully Friday's weigh-in will be impressive after not eating and spending half the week on the toilet! Grin

madwomanintheattic · 22/11/2011 19:42

oh, bless you moose. but, y'know, despite the daily shred Wink , you are still human and prone to chocolate attacks and germs. Grin

sympathy on the sa ordeal. it was a done deal with dd2 so not terribly stressful (the sum total of my involvement was the parental advice - which i went totally overboard on and included pictures to remind the assessment team that they are dealing wtih an individual child, not a name on a page, or a statistic, or a label (top tip), - and a telephone call after I received the draft statement where i went through my proposed re-write with the officer, e-mailed him the amendments i wanted, and bob's your uncle) but i do understand your pain. i do often wonder whether if you actually just do all the work for them, whether it's more likely they'll go along with it, rather than bothering to seek out any information or do any actual work themsleves...

i think i'm going to have a go at the pre-assessment questionnaire and background info for ds1's assessment this afternoon. that one is much trickier than dd2. Grin

moosemama · 22/11/2011 20:02

Lol madwoman, I have put in a piece of work that ds did at the beginning of year 3 introducing himself to the juniors. It has a lovely big photograph on the top of him looking extremely little and cute (for a junior aged child). Great minds think alike! Grin

My parental advice is 17 pages long Shock plus 11 sets of appendices, some with 6 or 7 individual pieces of evidence in.

The inital request letter was finally posted yesterday, so now I just have to tweak the my advice, produce an executive summary type front sheet and smarten it all up, before they 'officially' ask for it.

Of course I doubt they'll even read most of it and am fully expecting a refusal to assess first time out.

madwomanintheattic · 22/11/2011 21:50

so frustrating. well done on posting it though. a weight off your shoulders, if not the scales Wink

i've made a good start on ds1's stuff though, but am going through the usual 'am i over-emphasisng this? do i sound as though i have munschausens by proxy? maybe he's fine and i'm pathologising perfectly normal behaviours?' stuff. all part of life's traditional parental angst. Grin

lol at 17 pages though. impressive. Grin hard to ignore completely, i would imagine. Grin

it's snowing here. Grin the word on the street suggests this is the first big snowfall of the season just starting. Grin it's certainly very dark for not yet 3pm, and looks as though it's settling in for the evening/ night. Grin of course, it has been ordered in especially for the thurs-sun christmas shopping festival to make it picture postcard pretty. Grin

moosemama · 22/11/2011 21:59

According to the lady I spoke to at the LEA they get lots of huge submissions - including some that are beautifully bound etc. Of course then the poor admin assistants have to disassemble them so they can copy them to all the panel members. She assured me one single document, clearly page numbered and indexed would be much better received. Grin

Oo, dd would be so jealous if she knew you had snow. She had a tantrum on Monday because there was no snow in Mum's back garden and she wanted to build a snowman like last year.

Unfortunately, thanks to all the current media and advertising, she's convinced its going to snow on Christmas Day. I have tried to explain that it doesn't do that very often, but she simply won't have it. Hmm

Sounds idyllic - if a tad on the chilly side! Grin

madwomanintheattic · 22/11/2011 22:35

bound? Shock
that's frankly bizarre. and def way more munschausen's than i can aspire to... i barely managed to get my dissertation bound.

aw. we used to have completely the opposite problem here when the dc's were tiny - it would be really really really sunny, with beautiful blue sky, and dd1 would want to wear her summer dress and sandal. trying to explain that it was -25 or whatever, whether it was sunny or not, was v tricksy! i'm pretty certain we'll have a white christmas lol, but at 40, other than living in canada, i can only remember two white christmases in my entire life - one in glasgow, when we made all the dc's run outside and took pictures before it stopped, and one in germany, when it proper snowed on the night of christmas eve. we were having a small social gathering and when everyone went to leave at late (or early) o'clock, all the cars were buried and we had to sweep the snow off to work out whose was whose. Grin i was very excited though - it does make it really magical, but i'm tragically obsessed by christmas in any case...i suspect your dd might be disappointed this year...

moosemama · 23/11/2011 19:13

Another fun day in the Moose household. Had an appointment with ds1's teacher after school today, after another day curled up on the sofa unable to eat. Apparently there was a bit of a todo this morning when ds refused to attend his handwriting group. Sounds like the poor woman did everything she could to reason with him, even rescheduled the whole class' morning - twice, but he was just on a mission. Hmm

On top of that, dh let me have a lie in this morning partly because I am still not well and partly because ds1 kept the whole family awake for most of the night with coughing, sobbing and night-terrors. So he got up made the lunches and took the boys to school himself. Shock At lunchtime he told me that ds1 was coughing a lot this morning and worse on the way to school. His teacher then said he'd been coughing badly all day and seemed quite unwell.

I'd already called the GP for an appoinment this afternoon, but on speaking to the receptionist, they said they wanted to triage him with the doctor on call, but would have to wait until he was home from school and I'd reassessed how he was.

Called after school, spoke to the on call doctor and they told me to bring him straight in. GP listened to his chest, looked worried (I hate it when they do that) said his chest was tight as a drum and we needed to get him nebulised with ventolin straight away. Shock Cue a dash to the nurse's office to get him sorted and sitting on the floor holding his hand while he had to have the mask on his face. Then back to the GP who was then able to hear infection in both lungs.

So, he's on steroids and a second course of antibiotics, although a different one this time.

During the consultation ds1 asked if he could still go to the last cricket club of the season and the GP said he strongly advised against it - to which ds1 started wailing loudly while the poor doc was trying to speak to the pharmacist about steroid dosages. We both tried to reason with ds, but it was no use, despite the doctor saying he is likely to end up a lot more poorly if he tries to run around outside.

I've promised I will go with him and watch the cricket, so he can still get his attendance certificate and rumour has it he might be getting another one for improving his skills as well, but he's still so upset about it. He really wants to play in the last match of the year. So frustrating. He has never been remotely interested in playing sport until this year.

Doc is still unsure whether or not he will turn out to be asthmatic, but seems to think its highly likely, although said there is an outside chance that it could just be a particularly nasty chest infection and once its gone his chest will settle down.

Poor kid, as if he hasn't got enough to deal with. Sad

madwomanintheattic · 23/11/2011 19:31

oh bless him. we went through loads with ds1 at one point and had inhalers and spacers here for all of his chest infections (he was never dx asthmatic, but we were warned it was a possibility from scar tissue as he had double pneumonia as a tiny) but (touches wood frantically) he's been fine in that regard for a few years now.

at least it sheds a little bit of light on why he's been 'off' and a bit tippy this week. (i did lol at his poor teacher trying desperately to cope to no avail though). looks like you'll both be curled up on the sofa tomorrow.Smile you will disappear if you can't eat!

hmm, ds1 mentioned homeschooling yesterday without prompting. he says the only reason he doesn't want to do it yet is because we've paid for the lactose free choc milk at recess for the whole year, and it would waste our money if he wasn't there to drink it... so now i have literally no idesa whether he a) genuinely thinks that. b) is trying to tell me that he does want to be home schooled. or c) does not want to be home schooled at all and is trying to come up with reasons why he shouldn't be. i can't weasel it out of him at all. i'm not intending to make decision until we get the results of all of his assessments now (which will be the week before christmas, so we'll have some holiday time to think it all over) but it's obviously something that he's mulling over too...

moosemama · 23/11/2011 19:53

Nope, he refuses to stay home - thanks to blooming cricket - and the GP said its ok for him to go to school, as long as he doesn't do any running around or PE etc. Hmm

I think I panic slightly about chesty stuff, because ds2 nearly died from pneumonia when he was 4. We had taken him to the doctors four times and been told he didn't have a chest infection. It was actually an out-of-ours locum that was finally on the ball enough to realise what was going on. He was hospitalised, non-responsive and having repeated febrile convulsions and they kept telling us that if he didn't respond to the drugs soon the prognosis was very bleak. I was 38 weeks pregnant with dd at the time and spent a week sleeping on a z-bed next to him in hospital, singing his favourite songs to him, stroking his hair and holding his hand while he lay there not responding. Sad Definitely one of the most frightening and worst times of my whole life. Since then he's had pneumonia again several times and each time he has an atypical presentation - no cough, just a high temperature accompanied by stomach and leg ache. He also tends to get it so badly that they can't hear it through their stethoscopes because its so packed in there are no breath sounds - hence no crackle or wheeze. I'm so scared of accidentally missing another case of pneumonia that I think I might be slightly paranoid about it these days.

Its good that your ds is obviously considering the home-schooling option, not so great that he might not actually be being straight up about how he feels about it. We have similar issues with ds1. He tries to second guess what we want to hear or makes up his mind what he should say and says that rather than what he really thinks. The only way to get the truth out of him is usually to make him cry, which just feels so cruel. At least the picture might be a little clearer once the assessment results are in and you can consider whether or not there is more the school could be doing to support him if he does still want to attend.

madwomanintheattic · 23/11/2011 20:41

yy, ds1's presentation was the same - no crackle or wheeze, he just had a bit of a temp and there was no sound when he cried (as in, he'd lost his voice). the only reason that it was caught was because he was so little - all unexplained temps in babies were being referred to the hospital for assessment because it was rsv season. we had been told by the gp an hour before that he had no chest infection, and yet a chest x-ray showed completely the opposite, with both lungs. terrifying. and we lived so far from the hospital that if we'd just taken him home, there's a good chance we wouldn't have got back to the hospital in time. i'm also completely paranoid about missed chest infections. and i never believe a gp who waves a stethoscope around and says airily 'oh, his chest's fine!'

that's exactly how ds1 is. desperate for us to know what he wants by osmosis, as he's unable to say anything directly, and just gets himself more tangled up if we don't get it straight away. i'm trying not to put any pressure on him, in the hope that then he'll be a bit clearer!! Grin it drives me crazy though. and even if he cries, he still isn't always completely straight, and tries to work out what the 'best' answer would be. maddening, and so sad, when all you want to hear is the truth.

moosemama · 25/11/2011 10:51

Urk - Friday again already!

Stats:

Starting weight 16/6: 14st 2lb
Weight 24/6: 13st 8lb
Weight 1/7: 13st 7lbs
Weight 2/7: 13st 5lbs
Weight 13/7: 13st 4lbs
Weight 14/7: 13st 1lb
Weight 21/7: 12st 13lbs
Weight 29/7: 12st 11lbs (and 6oz)
Weight 16/8: 12st 9lbs (weighed in Tues not Fri due to holidays)
Weight 19/8: 12st 8lbs
Weight 20/8: 12 st 7lbs
Weight 26/8: 12st 8lbs 4oz
Weight 2/9: 12st 6lbs
Weight 9/9: 12st 5lbs
Weight 15/9: 12st 2lbs - 2 stone off!
Weight 23/9: 12st 1lb
Weight: 30/9: 11st 13lb 6oz
Weight: 7/10: 11st 12lb 6oz
Weight: 8/10: 11st 11lb
Weight: 14/10: 11st 9lb 6oz
Weight: 21/10: 11st 8lb 6oz
Weight: 28/10: 11st 8lb 2oz hmm
Weight: 4/11: 11st 7lb exactly
Weight: 11/11: 11st 5lb
Weight: 18/11: 11st 3lb
Weight: 25/11: 11st 2lb 4oz

Target for today was 11st 2lb so just 4oz out.

Target for Friday 25 November: 11st 1lb

Stomach bug has gone and been replaced by a stinking cold. Of course that means I'm swinging between not feeling like eating and craving carbs and other naughty stuff. Hmm

Ds1 is doing a bit better. Steroids definitely seem to be helping. Sat in the freezing cold and dark with him for an hour last night so that he didn't miss the last cricket club of the term when they were doing the prize giving. He didn't get a prize and the treat for everyone was chocolate - which he won't eat! Still, despite lots of sobbing and fuss when I told him he couldn't play, he was pleased he was there to see his best friend get a 'most improved' award.

Ds2 had an accident in the playground yesterday. Collided with another child at speed and his face hit the deck. He has a huge swollen cheek and lip, bruised gums and a big cut all along the inside of his lip and cheek. Apparenty he was covered in blood! Shock If he hadn't already knocked out that top tooth when he was three, I'm pretty sure he would have lost it yesterday.

I'm in battle mode this morning, because no-one from the school phoned to inform me he'd had a head injury - which I know is school protocol because I have been known to receive no fewer than four calls in one day for ds2 as he has hypermobile knees and ankles so tends to fall a lot. On top of that, his teacher didn't even bother to come and speak to me about it after school. Angry

So, after phoning the GP for advice, I phoned the school to tell them he wouldn't be in and make a complaint. His teacher tried to tell me that it was the dinner lady's fault, because she only said he'd hit his mouth, not his head. Confused I pointed out that his mouth is actually on his head and it coming into contact with ground at speed consitutes a head injury, as verified by the nurse at the GP's. He's not at school today, as he can't eat, can barely talk properly and is in a lot of pain, poor thing. I shall be writing the usual note about why he was off and making sure I include my complaint in writing. Angry

Fortunately, as ds1 insisted on going to school yesterday, some of the other children ran to fetch him when it happened, so I have both boys 'testimony' plus plenty of witnesses from both boys' classes to go on. Apparently ds1 looked after him after the dinner ladies had done a pretty pathetic job of first aid, by taking him back to the play tunnel to curl up and read his comic with him. Grin

Annoyingly, it happened about 5 minutes after I was there myself to give ds1 his antibiotics. Hmm

moosemama · 29/11/2011 14:47

Had to come and post as we'd disappeared of my threads! Shock

Cold turned out to be humdinging manflu, so I've been a bit out of action for the past few days.

Weight is holding steady at 11st 1lb and 7oz and has been since Saturday. Still haven't been able to do a workout for over a week and am really missing it now. Hoping to start easing back into it tomorrow.

Ds1 has his follow up appointment for his chest this evening. I thought he was doing much better, but he was coughing up a storm this morning, so not really sure what to expect now. He has one more day of antibiotics to go and am really hoping they decide against more, as I'm getting fed up of having to trudge up to the school every lunch time and wait while they find him so I can give him a dose.

Am feeling very grumpy this afternoon, because Royal Mail have failed to deliver no less than 11 parcels, all from different places all over the country and all posted on the 18th of November either first class or recorded. I have put in a complaint, but apparently I have to get refunds from the stores and they have to apply for compensation from the Royal Mail. None of it was expensive, but unfortunately, it was all really hard to source and I'm unlikely to be able to replace a fair few of the items. I already know of 4 items I won't be able to get. Really sad about that, as I was really looking forward to seeing the dcs faces when they opened them. Sad

moosemama · 02/12/2011 09:24

Just me again then? Ok, here goes:

Stats:

Starting weight 16/6: 14st 2lb
Weight 24/6: 13st 8lb
Weight 1/7: 13st 7lbs
Weight 2/7: 13st 5lbs
Weight 13/7: 13st 4lbs
Weight 14/7: 13st 1lb
Weight 21/7: 12st 13lbs
Weight 29/7: 12st 11lbs (and 6oz)
Weight 16/8: 12st 9lbs (weighed in Tues not Fri due to holidays)
Weight 19/8: 12st 8lbs
Weight 20/8: 12 st 7lbs
Weight 26/8: 12st 8lbs 4oz
Weight 2/9: 12st 6lbs
Weight 9/9: 12st 5lbs
Weight 15/9: 12st 2lbs - 2 stone off!
Weight 23/9: 12st 1lb
Weight: 30/9: 11st 13lb 6oz
Weight: 7/10: 11st 12lb 6oz
Weight: 8/10: 11st 11lb
Weight: 14/10: 11st 9lb 6oz
Weight: 21/10: 11st 8lb 6oz
Weight: 28/10: 11st 8lb 2oz hmm
Weight: 4/11: 11st 7lb exactly
Weight: 11/11: 11st 5lb
Weight: 18/11: 11st 3lb
Weight: 25/11: 11st 2lb 4oz
Weight: 2/12: 11st 2lb 7oz Sad

Target for today was 11st 1lb, but I've had a gain of 3oz instead. Harrumph!

Not surprised really, as have been really quite poorly with this coldey virus and either not eating or not really thinking about what I'm eating, iyswim. I'm also premenstrual, which I suspect isn't helping and I hadn't done any workouts at all since Saturday before last, until yesterday when I managed two circuits of BFBM. Hoping to do more today, but am exhausted as dd now has the bug, plus double conjunctivitis, so there was little sleep to be had last night.

So, target for Friday 9 November stays the same as this week's: 11st 1lb

moosemama · 03/12/2011 20:05

Heeellllooooo - anybody out there?

Nope? Just me and my echo then! Grin

moosemama · 08/12/2011 12:50

Ahem - ok, so I have a confession. I got last week's weigh in wrong. Blush Am weighing myself in pounds for MFP logging purposes and had it in my head that 155lbs = 11st 2lbs - but it doesn't, it = 11st 1lbs.

So last Friday's stats were actually:

Stats:

Starting weight 16/6: 14st 2lb
Weight 24/6: 13st 8lb
Weight 1/7: 13st 7lbs
Weight 2/7: 13st 5lbs
Weight 13/7: 13st 4lbs
Weight 14/7: 13st 1lb
Weight 21/7: 12st 13lbs
Weight 29/7: 12st 11lbs (and 6oz)
Weight 16/8: 12st 9lbs (weighed in Tues not Fri due to holidays)
Weight 19/8: 12st 8lbs
Weight 20/8: 12 st 7lbs
Weight 26/8: 12st 8lbs 4oz
Weight 2/9: 12st 6lbs
Weight 9/9: 12st 5lbs
Weight 15/9: 12st 2lbs - 2 stone off!
Weight 23/9: 12st 1lb
Weight: 30/9: 11st 13lb 6oz
Weight: 7/10: 11st 12lb 6oz
Weight: 8/10: 11st 11lb
Weight: 14/10: 11st 9lb 6oz
Weight: 21/10: 11st 8lb 6oz
Weight: 28/10: 11st 8lb 2oz hmm
Weight: 4/11: 11st 7lb exactly
Weight: 11/11: 11st 5lb
Weight: 18/11: 11st 3lb
Weight: 25/11: 11st 2lb 4oz
Weight: 2/12: 11st 1b 7oz sad

I was actually only 7oz off last week's target.

The reason I'm posting this, is because my TOTM started, I weighed in this morning and I'm 11 stone exactly! Grin

It was only when I went to log it in MFP and decided to convert it to stones afterwards that I realised my mistake.

So, my christmas goal was to get under 11 stone, even if its only by one pound and I'm feeling a whole lot better about it now, especially as I am struggling to fit in workouts and my diet has been far from perfect. Grin

Hope everyone else is ok - its been very quiet on here over the past couple of weeks.

moosemama · 09/12/2011 10:21

I know I'm talking to meself here, but am going to log anyway as it helps me to keep a record.

Hoping everyone else is ok and just overloaded with christmas rather than having a tough time.

Stats:

Starting weight 16/6: 14st 2lb
Weight 24/6: 13st 8lb
Weight 1/7: 13st 7lbs
Weight 2/7: 13st 5lbs
Weight 13/7: 13st 4lbs
Weight 14/7: 13st 1lb
Weight 21/7: 12st 13lbs
Weight 29/7: 12st 11lbs (and 6oz)
Weight 16/8: 12st 9lbs (weighed in Tues not Fri due to holidays)
Weight 19/8: 12st 8lbs
Weight 20/8: 12 st 7lbs
Weight 26/8: 12st 8lbs 4oz
Weight 2/9: 12st 6lbs
Weight 9/9: 12st 5lbs
Weight 15/9: 12st 2lbs - 2 stone off!
Weight 23/9: 12st 1lb
Weight: 30/9: 11st 13lb 6oz
Weight: 7/10: 11st 12lb 6oz
Weight: 8/10: 11st 11lb
Weight: 14/10: 11st 9lb 6oz
Weight: 21/10: 11st 8lb 6oz
Weight: 28/10: 11st 8lb 2oz hmm
Weight: 4/11: 11st 7lb exactly
Weight: 11/11: 11st 5lb
Weight: 18/11: 11st 3lb
Weight: 25/11: 11st 2lb 4oz
Weight: 2/12: 11st 1b 7oz
Weight: 9/12: 10st 13lbs 7oz!!!!!!!! Grin

I am not counting it as hitting my 'under 11 stone for Christmas' goal until I am a pound under, but am Grin Grin Grin all the same! Haven't been under 11 stone since the early/mid 90's! Blush

Fitmums · 09/12/2011 10:40

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moosemama · 09/12/2011 12:38

Not sure what that message was about, but I assume it was advertising.

If it helps, I'm not interesting in any commercial help thank you. I'm very happy with my progress, logging my food intake and doing regular circuit training, thinner and fitter than I've been in a very long time and with every intention of sticking with it to my target weight and then going onto maintenance. Smile

madwomanintheattic · 09/12/2011 15:32

oh ffs. i just typed out the longest history of the bleeding world and mn logged me out.

argh.

anyway, in short.

lost 3 lbs. know am eating too much to lose faster, but it's winter. Blush and i am losing slowly.

you are under 11 stone!!!! yay!!!!! (had to wait for a friday to find the thread) that is total testament to your willpower and determination! under 11 stone for 2012, go moose!

ds1's assessments ongoing and v busy, car broke down completely and so have had hire car ishoos and snowstorms getting in and out of the city, and everyone wants a piece of me!

hope all facial injuries and chest complications are clearing up (dd2 has barking cough and i am watching her in suspicion, and fell over at dance and broke her glasses. again. the new ones. )

sorry - the first post was far better. i just sound like a loon now!

but yay you!!!

oh, and someone started a 'lose 7lbs before christmas' thread so i thought that might boost my exercise. mil is looming.