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BecauseImWorthIt · 21/08/2010 23:46

If you're low carbing, here is some useful stuff. More to come/ask any questions you have and I'll try to help!

  1. Fruit is really problematic, as it is so full of sugar. In the induction stage of Atkins, when you're only supposed to have 20g of carbs a day, no fruit is allowed. Once you move on from this phase, berries are allowed - e.g. strawberries, blueberries, raspberries - but you need to weigh them and restrict your consumption of them.


Rhubarb is a very good choice, but only if sweetened with an artificial sweetener such as Splenda.

  1. Fat is allowed/encouraged! According to Atkins, you need to eat fat to burn fat. Therefore you are allowed to eat fatty meat, cream, eggs, cheese and nuts. This will be very difficult to get your head round if you have spent the last 20/30 years of your life being told that fat is the enemy.


  1. You don't need to calorie count. This may not be true if you only have half a stone or so to lose. But for most of us, you will find that the amount of calories that you can consume on a low carb diet seems ridiculously high. Just enjoy it!


  1. You cannot eat:


  • bread
  • pasta
  • rice
  • potatoes
  • sugar
  • flour (which means pastry/white sauces)


  1. Other veg that are problematic:


  • carrots
  • parsnips
  • sweet potatoes


  1. Things to include as substitutes:


  • celeriac makes a fabulous dauphinois or mash
  • swede is lovely either pureed or baked as wedges/chips
  • thinly sliced, boiled green/white cabbage can be a really good substitute for spaghetti


  1. Alcohol is not a great idea, as it is sugar-based. However, being as we are in the real world:


  • dry white wine, champagne and red wine are all OK in moderation
  • vodka/gin with diet mixers are fine


Just be aware that when you are low carbing, your tolerance for alcohol may change, so you may get drunk more quickly/have more hangovers. If you can avoid drinking, all the better (I fail on this count regularly Blush)

  1. Eating out is easier then if you're trying to calorie count, but you do need to know what you're doing to navigate the menu.


Avoid things in sauces unless you can establish that they are not thickened with flour/cornflour.

Go for grilled meat/fish with veg/salad.

Thai is very difficult as most dishes include sugar.

Chinese is also hard - but you can navigate around this. Lettuce wraps are good (just don't use the hoisin sauce), and substitute rice with fried bean sprouts, or waterchestnuts and celery.

With Indian, just leave out the rice (and the naan and poppadoms). Cauliflower and mushroom bhajis are relatively low in carbs.

  1. Eating on-the-go is really difficult. Everything is based on carbs - sandwiches, cakes, crisps, chocolate ...


If you're travelling and know you'll need to eat, make sure you take something with you to snack on.

More and more railway/service stations have a M&S Food - so you can buy a salad, cooked meat/fish or small portions of cheese. If you don't have access to these, then take some ham with you, or a couple of hard boiled eggs. John West also make sachets of tuna that don't need to be chilled, which are useful.

10. Make sure that you drink plenty of water. This will help to stave off any hunger pangs - although, to be honest, after the first couple of days of low carbing you will find that your appetite is drastically suppressed.

11. There is some suggestion that diet drinks can cause weight loss to stall. I haven't been able to find any data to support this, but it is reported on often enough to make me say that it's worth being aaware of this at the very least - and if you can, avoiding them.
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WilfShelf · 21/08/2010 23:56

Thanks! Marking place...

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LeninGrad · 22/08/2010 00:01

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WilfShelf · 22/08/2010 00:03

I have been known to rip filling out of sandwiches at work events...

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VoidofDiscovery · 22/08/2010 00:09

Thanks BIWI

Think some research on diet drinks is coming round to the idea that if you have something sweet tasting that is low cal, although you didn't ingest the sugar, your brain thinks you have and gears up for sugar digestion, will need to look this up tomorrow.

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BecauseImWorthIt · 22/08/2010 00:15

Meal ideas:

Breakfast

Often seen as difficult, as many people think we should have specific 'breakfast food'! Treat it like any other meal - why not have food that was leftover from dinner the night before?

Cereal, toast, bagels, etc are obviously all out of the question.

Eggs will be your saviour - boiled, poached, scrambled or fried. With or without bacon!

But if you don't want or fancy a fry up, you can have yoghurt with berries (as long as you don't have massive quantities of either.)

Stewed rhubarb (with sweetener) and Total full fat yoghurt, with some vanilla essenced, is lovely.

But it's important to eat something.

Try a continental breakfast - sliced ham and cheese. Just don't add the croissant!

Lunch/dinner

If you're cooking for the family, it's easy to get into a rut of thinking you have to eat differently. Most meals are straightforward - whatever carb element you are serving your family you just leave out/substitute for another veg.

But some meals are harder than others. If you're used to serving a lot of pasta/rice dishes, for example.

Avoid dishes like lasagne/risotto/paella/kedgeree - unless you want to make your own meals that are separate from the rest of the fammily. This guarantees that you will feel like you're on a diet, therefore deprived, therefore more likely to be resentul/and then cheat.

If you can get into the habit of serving a side salad with your meals, this will help enormously.

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SmellyPirateHooker · 22/08/2010 07:53

Good idea BIWI (it's applejuicesnap, formerly Ewe on here) especially as people are going to be doing a mix of diets on ipodge.

I love low carbing. I feel so much better in myself, easier to fall asleep, easier to wake up, more energy etc.

My weakness is alcohol, not so much the drinking of it as I enjoy a vodka/gin & slim but the making good food choices when I have been drinking. Burger King & McD's at Waterloo usually help me fall spectacularly off the wagon Blush.

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BecauseImWorthIt · 22/08/2010 09:44

Apologies for the typos in that thread. A bit too much rose I fear!

Today is last day for me of eating carby stuff, so I'm thinking about a bacon sandwich ...

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QueuePosition3 · 22/08/2010 09:58

in MY situation ipodge is just eating less

no crap of more fat or whatever
this ISNT atkins

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jooseyfruit · 22/08/2010 10:02

Total brand full fat green yogurt is ok? low in carbs,with handful of frozen berries makes a nice breakfast.

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jooseyfruit · 22/08/2010 10:05

custy has an 'interesting' recipe for low carb crackers on the recipe bit of mn, using ground linseed. They are prettty disgusting but bearable slathered with full fat Philly.

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shortandsweet2 · 22/08/2010 10:24

When working the carb content d you take the total or just the sugars?

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BecauseImWorthIt · 22/08/2010 10:33

Being vegetarian does make low carbing difficult, Shiney - but there are various recipe books you could use if you wanted to.

shortandsweet2 - I look at the whole carb count. But beware American sites/books, as they do something weird like including fibre in the carb count (can't remember exactly)

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BecauseImWorthIt · 22/08/2010 10:34

Total yoghurt is great - I think the carb count for the 0% fat one is also quite low.

But it's fab because it is so tasty and has a lovely texture too.

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shortandsweet2 · 22/08/2010 10:38

Thanks for that BIWI. My mate was doing something like that American site you talk about so was unsure if I was doing it right.

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QueuePosition3 · 22/08/2010 10:55

sorry but oyu lot are making this WAY too hard and scientific

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QueuePosition3 · 22/08/2010 10:56

my ONLY rule re fat etc is never to buy anything more than 4% sat fat

you lot need to worry less about rules, substitutes etc adn how to cook delicious proper food

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msboogie · 22/08/2010 13:55

I have two good tips for low carbing:

with a curry use fried ground cauliflower instead of rice (it is edible)

and in lasagne use thin strips of courgette instead of pasta

what's the point of ipodge exactly? how does it work?

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BecauseImWorthIt · 22/08/2010 14:34

Ah, but QP3, low carb can be much, much tastier than low fat, diet food! The whole basis of Atkins (and all other low carb plans) is good quality, unprocessed, natural foods. And because you can eat fat, you can also add lovely things like cheese or cream!

And you don't have to do it if you don't want to!

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QueuePosition3 · 22/08/2010 14:38

I think Atkins not a good idea.

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WilfShelf · 22/08/2010 15:33

Everyone needs to do what they feel comfortable with obv.

I am comfortable with low carb after reading Gary Taubes' book The Diet Delusion...

See this review of it here, published to open up a debate about low carbing in the British Medical Journal... review of book

Taubes argument is a. food science and health research has been massively dominated by academic and agribusiness vested interests (US corn/wheat industry for eg) against Atkins etc, and b. research on the effects of insulin on obesity, heart disease, high BP etc ALL vastly underrated. And lots of nutritional, heart, and diabetes specialists now coming round to his way of thinking apparently.

V simple question asked by Taubes - if after 60 years of advice to eat low fat, obesity WORSE is than ever (and it is), are we giving out the right message...

...Very thought provoking and low carb requires NO special substitutes weirdy food or too many rules...

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BecauseImWorthIt · 22/08/2010 15:37

Why not, QP3? Do you know much about it or do you just believe what you've read in the Daily Mail?! Grin

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WilfShelf · 22/08/2010 15:43

We're gonna get ourselves BANNED from #ipodge before we've even started, BIWI! Wink

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