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A space to talk openly about weight loss journeys and challenges. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

@ipodge back-up thread

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BecauseImWorthIt · 21/08/2010 23:46

If you're low carbing, here is some useful stuff. More to come/ask any questions you have and I'll try to help!

  1. Fruit is really problematic, as it is so full of sugar. In the induction stage of Atkins, when you're only supposed to have 20g of carbs a day, no fruit is allowed. Once you move on from this phase, berries are allowed - e.g. strawberries, blueberries, raspberries - but you need to weigh them and restrict your consumption of them.

Rhubarb is a very good choice, but only if sweetened with an artificial sweetener such as Splenda.

  1. Fat is allowed/encouraged! According to Atkins, you need to eat fat to burn fat. Therefore you are allowed to eat fatty meat, cream, eggs, cheese and nuts. This will be very difficult to get your head round if you have spent the last 20/30 years of your life being told that fat is the enemy.
  1. You don't need to calorie count. This may not be true if you only have half a stone or so to lose. But for most of us, you will find that the amount of calories that you can consume on a low carb diet seems ridiculously high. Just enjoy it!
  1. You cannot eat:
  • bread
  • pasta
  • rice
  • potatoes
  • sugar
  • flour (which means pastry/white sauces)
  1. Other veg that are problematic:
  • carrots
  • parsnips
  • sweet potatoes
  1. Things to include as substitutes:
  • celeriac makes a fabulous dauphinois or mash
  • swede is lovely either pureed or baked as wedges/chips
  • thinly sliced, boiled green/white cabbage can be a really good substitute for spaghetti
  1. Alcohol is not a great idea, as it is sugar-based. However, being as we are in the real world:
  • dry white wine, champagne and red wine are all OK in moderation
  • vodka/gin with diet mixers are fine

Just be aware that when you are low carbing, your tolerance for alcohol may change, so you may get drunk more quickly/have more hangovers. If you can avoid drinking, all the better (I fail on this count regularly Blush)

  1. Eating out is easier then if you're trying to calorie count, but you do need to know what you're doing to navigate the menu.

Avoid things in sauces unless you can establish that they are not thickened with flour/cornflour.

Go for grilled meat/fish with veg/salad.

Thai is very difficult as most dishes include sugar.

Chinese is also hard - but you can navigate around this. Lettuce wraps are good (just don't use the hoisin sauce), and substitute rice with fried bean sprouts, or waterchestnuts and celery.

With Indian, just leave out the rice (and the naan and poppadoms). Cauliflower and mushroom bhajis are relatively low in carbs.

  1. Eating on-the-go is really difficult. Everything is based on carbs - sandwiches, cakes, crisps, chocolate ...

If you're travelling and know you'll need to eat, make sure you take something with you to snack on.

More and more railway/service stations have a M&S Food - so you can buy a salad, cooked meat/fish or small portions of cheese. If you don't have access to these, then take some ham with you, or a couple of hard boiled eggs. John West also make sachets of tuna that don't need to be chilled, which are useful.

  1. Make sure that you drink plenty of water. This will help to stave off any hunger pangs - although, to be honest, after the first couple of days of low carbing you will find that your appetite is drastically suppressed.

  2. There is some suggestion that diet drinks can cause weight loss to stall. I haven't been able to find any data to support this, but it is reported on often enough to make me say that it's worth being aaware of this at the very least - and if you can, avoiding them.

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WilfShelf · 22/08/2010 15:45

That review is by a Proper Scientist, btw, not some internet nutter...

WilfShelf · 22/08/2010 15:53

And also read his blog - bit more sciencey though... on Whether Bacon Does actually kill you Grin

Reported by Ben Goldacre similarly and marvellously as Parmageddon. Or the Aporkalypse.

I love geeks, me.

duckyfuzz · 22/08/2010 15:53

Agree with qp3, I lost 2 stone last year just cutting out bread and processed food, I ate loads of fruit and salad, alcohol weekends only and have maintained the loss for 6 months with little effort, because its doable and a lifestyle change, which atkins etc tends not to be.

duckyfuzz · 22/08/2010 15:59

But also I agree low fat a big con, I like real food, Michael Pollen (?) V good on the nutritionist con

RumourOfAHurricane · 22/08/2010 16:03

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QueuePosition3 · 22/08/2010 16:35

fmaily history of heart issues

StewieGriffinsMom · 22/08/2010 16:45

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WilfShelf · 22/08/2010 16:56

Don't think you can really eat unlimited nuts cheese cream. But thing is once you substitute fat and protein for carbs, you are full easier and you eat just enough. The effect of giving up carbs limits appetite. For Taubes, jury is out on links between meat, cream etc and blood cholesterol. And link between blood cholesterol and dietary cholesterol questioned also. Really worth a read QP3...

WilfShelf · 22/08/2010 16:57

Sorry, am evangelising. Will desist.

BecauseImWorthIt · 22/08/2010 17:08

But those of you damning Atkins - have you ever read the book? It's not about unlimited nuts/cream/cheese, or just eating red meat.

The first phase, induction, is the strictest phase, and here you are allowed 20g carbs per day which must come from vegetables/salad. And this phase only lasts for two weeks.

Anyway, @ipodge isn't about low carbing, it's about any way that suits us all to lose weight. But this thread was a support/source of information to those who do want to low carb!!!

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BecauseImWorthIt · 24/08/2010 10:23

Whoops - have killed my own thread!

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cornsillky · 24/08/2010 10:27

Wish I'd seen this before the bowl of kiddies cereal I've just scoffed. What about weetabix? Is that bad?

cornsillky · 24/08/2010 10:28

can I have cheese and crackers if the crackers are the wholemeal ones?
what about melon?

ShirleyKnot · 24/08/2010 10:40

Right

I am going to start low-carbing tomorrow.

Last time I did Atkins was 5 years ago, (Five bloody years) so my memory of it is a bit bleary; so thanks for this BIWI.

BecauseImWorthIt · 24/08/2010 11:28

'Bad' depends on what you're trying to follow! If you're trying to low carb, then it's not great - 2 Weetabix biscuits contain 25g carbs, and that's without the milk (and sugar?) that you put on them. So not a low carb breakfast.

Cheese = big yes (although watch the amount)

Crackers = don't know carb count (check back of packet) - but probably no.

Melon is reasonable - just depends how many carbs you want to eat each day:

Melon, cataloupe, no skin 4.2

Melon, Galia, No skin or stone 5.6

Melon, Honeydew 6.6

Melon, Water 7.1

(that's grams of carbs per 100g)

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VoidofDiscovery · 24/08/2010 20:50

Little linky regarding alcoholic drinks:
www.marksdailyapple.com/low-carb-alcohol/.

The website has some good articles on the whole paeleo/caveman diet way of eating, plus recipes. It's a bit more commercial than it used to be, but worth a look. The chap who runs it is in his mid fifties and looks in pretty good shape.

chipmonkey · 24/08/2010 22:05

I thought we were just eating less!

Well, I am doing WW which is my way of eating less!

StewieGriffinsMom · 24/08/2010 23:09

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chipmonkey · 24/08/2010 23:25

Good for you, SGM!Grin

StewieGriffinsMom · 24/08/2010 23:35

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chipmonkey · 25/08/2010 00:13

Babysteps, Stewie, babysteps!

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BecauseImWorthIt · 25/08/2010 09:08

Well done, SGM!

chipmonkey - we're doing whatever we want to, to lose weight.

Some of us are low carbing, but there was some confusion/many questions on Twitter about carb count and what low carbing was all about, which is why I started this thread. Trying to explain on Twitter, in 140 characters or less was just too difficult!

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BecauseImWorthIt · 25/08/2010 09:10

... and because I've been low carbing on and off for some time I have gathered a lot of information which this thread will help me to share.

We all know who is in charge of ipodge, and it's certainly not me!!!

(And the fishy one doesn't approve of low carbing so she won't be on here very often, other than to scoff and tsk at me)

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ShirleyKnot · 25/08/2010 10:37

Day one of this and I am staggered at how much I have forgotten about low carbing. Also my mum is nagging me almost relentlessly about how dangerous it is not to eat any fruit, and where am I getting my nutrients. Confused I haven't eaten any fruit for about a month anyway so I just do not know what to tell her - other than I'M FINE.

I have no idea what to have for lunch today (had a couple of boiled eggs for breakfast) or for dinner tonight.