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@ipodge back-up thread

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BecauseImWorthIt · 21/08/2010 23:46

If you're low carbing, here is some useful stuff. More to come/ask any questions you have and I'll try to help!

  1. Fruit is really problematic, as it is so full of sugar. In the induction stage of Atkins, when you're only supposed to have 20g of carbs a day, no fruit is allowed. Once you move on from this phase, berries are allowed - e.g. strawberries, blueberries, raspberries - but you need to weigh them and restrict your consumption of them.

Rhubarb is a very good choice, but only if sweetened with an artificial sweetener such as Splenda.

  1. Fat is allowed/encouraged! According to Atkins, you need to eat fat to burn fat. Therefore you are allowed to eat fatty meat, cream, eggs, cheese and nuts. This will be very difficult to get your head round if you have spent the last 20/30 years of your life being told that fat is the enemy.
  1. You don't need to calorie count. This may not be true if you only have half a stone or so to lose. But for most of us, you will find that the amount of calories that you can consume on a low carb diet seems ridiculously high. Just enjoy it!
  1. You cannot eat:
  • bread
  • pasta
  • rice
  • potatoes
  • sugar
  • flour (which means pastry/white sauces)
  1. Other veg that are problematic:
  • carrots
  • parsnips
  • sweet potatoes
  1. Things to include as substitutes:
  • celeriac makes a fabulous dauphinois or mash
  • swede is lovely either pureed or baked as wedges/chips
  • thinly sliced, boiled green/white cabbage can be a really good substitute for spaghetti
  1. Alcohol is not a great idea, as it is sugar-based. However, being as we are in the real world:
  • dry white wine, champagne and red wine are all OK in moderation
  • vodka/gin with diet mixers are fine

Just be aware that when you are low carbing, your tolerance for alcohol may change, so you may get drunk more quickly/have more hangovers. If you can avoid drinking, all the better (I fail on this count regularly Blush)

  1. Eating out is easier then if you're trying to calorie count, but you do need to know what you're doing to navigate the menu.

Avoid things in sauces unless you can establish that they are not thickened with flour/cornflour.

Go for grilled meat/fish with veg/salad.

Thai is very difficult as most dishes include sugar.

Chinese is also hard - but you can navigate around this. Lettuce wraps are good (just don't use the hoisin sauce), and substitute rice with fried bean sprouts, or waterchestnuts and celery.

With Indian, just leave out the rice (and the naan and poppadoms). Cauliflower and mushroom bhajis are relatively low in carbs.

  1. Eating on-the-go is really difficult. Everything is based on carbs - sandwiches, cakes, crisps, chocolate ...

If you're travelling and know you'll need to eat, make sure you take something with you to snack on.

More and more railway/service stations have a M&S Food - so you can buy a salad, cooked meat/fish or small portions of cheese. If you don't have access to these, then take some ham with you, or a couple of hard boiled eggs. John West also make sachets of tuna that don't need to be chilled, which are useful.

  1. Make sure that you drink plenty of water. This will help to stave off any hunger pangs - although, to be honest, after the first couple of days of low carbing you will find that your appetite is drastically suppressed.

  2. There is some suggestion that diet drinks can cause weight loss to stall. I haven't been able to find any data to support this, but it is reported on often enough to make me say that it's worth being aaware of this at the very least - and if you can, avoiding them.

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chipmonkey · 25/08/2010 10:57

Oh goodness, just realised I forgot to have brekkie! Poached egg, I think!Grin

BecauseImWorthIt · 25/08/2010 13:35

I'm having a turkey breast steak, fried in olive oil with s+p and a sprinkling of lemon juice, with green beans and a small amount of Tesco Finest Creamy coleslaw for lunch.

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chipmonkey · 25/08/2010 14:15

Sounds lovely. I just had a sandwich but was v. nice. Made a dressing from WW mayo and wholegrain mustard. the WW mayo on it's own is vile but it's OK when mixed with other stuff!

ShirleyKnot · 25/08/2010 14:33

Had a chicken leg from M&S and a piece of cheese.

Think I'm going to try and eat little and often rather than my usual bloat out at lunchtime thing I usually do.

Worried about salad tonight. I hate it when I get all obsessive and weird like this but it's the only way I can get any weight-loss going.

bah.

BecauseImWorthIt · 27/08/2010 11:27

I don't know if this will work, as I'm cutting and pasting from an Excel spreadsheet, but here are figures for the carb count in certain vegetables:

Mushrooms 0.4
Watercress 0.4
Spinach 0.8
Celery 0.9
Broccoli 1.1
Asparagus (raw, boiled or canned) 1.4
Cucumber 1.5
Lettuce 1.7
Fennel 1.8
Courgettes 1.8
Cauliflower 1.9
Avocado flesh 1.9
Turnip 2
Pumpkin 2.2
Runner beans 2.3
Swede 2.3
Celeriac 2.3
Bean sprouts 2.5
Carrots 2.5
Green pepper 2.6
Baby sweetcorn 2.7
Aubergine 2.8
Leeks 2.9
Okra 3
Tomato 3.1
Mangetout 3.3
Shallots 3.3
Brussels sprouts 3.5
French beans 4.7
Cabbage 5
Yellow pepper 5.3
Carrots 6
Orange or red pepper 6.4
Ginger (peeled) 7.2
Butternut squash 7.5
Onions 7.9
Beetroot 9.5
Peas (frozen) 9.7
Broad beans 11.7
Parsnips 12.5
Potato 15.7
Garlic (per clove) 16.3
Sweetcorn (canned) 26.6

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BecauseImWorthIt · 27/08/2010 11:28

That's carbs per 100g, btw.

And if you're a calorie-counting ipodger, here are calorie counts of various veg:

Celery 2
Garlic (per clove) 2
Cucumber 3
Fennel 3
Mushrooms 4
Lettuce 4
Pumpkin 4
Green pepper 4
Aubergine 4
Courgettes 5
Celeriac 5
Tomato 5
Watercress 6
Turnip 6
Runner beans 6
Leeks 6
Shallots 6
Spinach 7
Asparagus (raw, boiled or canned) 7
Swede 7
French beans 7
Cabbage 7
Yellow pepper 7
Baby sweetcorn 7
Broccoli 9
Bean sprouts 9
Okra 9
Mangetout 9
Orange or red pepper 9
Cauliflower 10
Carrots 10
Carrots 10
Butternut squash 10
Onions 10
Beetroot 10
Ginger (peeled) 11
Brussels sprouts 12
Broad beans 17
Peas (frozen) 18
Parsnips 18
Potato 21
Sweetcorn (canned) 35
Avocado flesh 53

These are calories per 28g/1 oz

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ShirleyKnot · 27/08/2010 11:32

Bloody Hell.

Tomatoes are high.

BecauseImWorthIt · 27/08/2010 11:37

Yes - you do have to be careful!

I did, once, create a graph that mapped the two figures against each other , so I could see what was low carb and low cal, but I didn't save it for some reason, and I can't remember how I did it!

Might have a fiddle around and see if I can re-create it.

But I'll never be able to post it!

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ShirleyKnot · 27/08/2010 11:44
Grin

Oh BIWI!

I am finding it quite hard to not eat more than 20g carbs per day though. But I'm thinking that even if I go a little bit over (This is all from veg BTW) it's not a HUGE deal in the grand scheme of things is it? I mean, I'm not drinking alcomohol, or eating potatoes/bread/rice/pasta/sugar or any crap whatsoever, just eating a bit more salad than I should.

CerealOffender · 27/08/2010 11:48

anything that makes you think too hard about food isn't going to work. just eat less.

ShirleyKnot · 27/08/2010 11:52

no.

I have to be all weird for a couple of weeks. It's the only way.

cyb · 27/08/2010 11:53

'celeriac makes a fabulous dauphinois ' BIWI I think thats the ponciest thing i've ever heard you say Grin

CerealOffender · 27/08/2010 11:56

boak @ celeriac. i actually have made celeriac dauphinois, i have never farted so much in my life.

i stopped eating biscuits on monday and have lost 2lb.

cyb · 27/08/2010 11:56

Hmm have just read thead adn I ahve to say I think ANY way of eating where you are counting ANYTHINg is just going to go tits up. its too complicated, and feels too much like a diet

if this is ipodge count me out!

VoidofDiscovery · 27/08/2010 11:58

BIWI, nearly had a heart attack reading your list when I saw the carb count of garlic, fortunately the following post regarding the amount reduced my heart rate! I may be a garlic obsessive, but not that much.

ShirleyKnot · 27/08/2010 11:59

I think most ipodgers are just being sensible. It's only me who is being strange.

cyb · 27/08/2010 12:01

I'm not giong to be counting anyhting. I just need to get my head in the zone

ShirleyKnot · 27/08/2010 12:05

Yes cyb, I have to get to that place where I'm "interested" enough in the diet to prevent me from shovelling Cadbury Buttons into any available orafice.

The fact that I tried on a top yesterday that last year was billowy and this year looks like something a 20 year old gay man might wear has strengthed my resolve somewhat.

cyb · 27/08/2010 12:09

IME when I lost about a stone on here with the 'Nothing tastes as good' one, as soon as I saw an effect (in about a week) I really got into it. I need to be back at work to be strict with myself . I like to sneer at those eating biscuits while I nibble daintily on a carrot stick

VoidofDiscovery · 27/08/2010 12:17

ShineOn I'm vegetarian too, because I don't like the taste of meat esp. fat, but don't object to others eating it IYSWIM.

I also don't like eggs because they are too eggy (though am managing hard boiled ones covered with homemade tzatziki), my daughter has a brazil nut allergy, so I have too be careful around nuts, but am using pine nuts, walnuts.

So it makes it a bit of a challenge.

I am not doing Atkins per se, more Stone Age, so green veg, protein, berries, fats (olive oil, cream, greek yoghurt).

I eat fish, some nuts, beans, tofu, cheese. Increasing the green veg helps fill you up and after a few days you find your portion size decreases. So it can be done, needs a bit more thought than for meat eaters.

If you go to www.Nutritiondata.com, you can register (just email & password) and save your favourite foods and get a nutritional breakdown including vitamin, mineral and aminoacid of your foods. It also shows you the % of your intake of fats/carbs/protein, very useful, you need to skew it to the protein/fats side of the pyramid. If I get enough of the essential nutrients for the day I am happy.

So I'm not being strict on the low carb,, eating bananas, drinking wine, but the fat is going, have lost 2" from waist in last three weeks (didn't weigh self to begin with).

BecauseImWorthIt · 27/08/2010 12:36

Please don't panic! This is only for information - so that you can see IF YOU'RE LOW CARBING!!! - how many carbs are in the various veg. It's not always obviousl

I quite agree that if you have to count and obsess over things it makes everything seem like hard work.

I don't weigh or count anything when I'm low carbing, I just make sure I exclude high carb foods, moderate veg intake that is higher (e.g. I still include carrots and peas on the odd occasion, and even the odd potato) but make sure that I focus on including veg that is low carb into my meals.

Shirley - don't worry if you're finding 20g hard - that's only suggested on Atkins for the first two weeks!

cyb - I am poncetastic (channelling Cod) re food. But I still swear by celeriac dauphinoise!

Cereal - celeriac shouldn't, to my knowledge, make you fart. Are you sure you didn't use Jerusalem Artichokes? They are a true wonder in the world of digestive disorders!

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BecauseImWorthIt · 27/08/2010 12:37

OMG - hun alert - how many exclamation marks did I just use in that post?

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CerealOffender · 27/08/2010 13:00

the celeriac wasn't cooked enough. honestly try undercooked celeriac it is quite extraordinary.

SmellyPirateHooker · 27/08/2010 20:50

I have been low carbing for 6 weeks today and have so far lost 18lbs. Today I bought Atkins chocolate from Boots as it's only 1.8g of carbs and good for the odd treat I think. Sugar free jelly and cream is also really good if you need the occasional sweet fix.

Also fit into a skirt today which I last wore pre-DD - amazing!

BecauseImWorthIt · 27/08/2010 23:38

Brilliant!

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