Article in Mail online about James corden sister losing 9 stone using WLI -horrified about responses

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Just wanted to say what is it with some mainly older women seeming to get a buzz from the ‘they will put it all back on as soon as they stop. They seem to get delight from this. It’s mainly women my age 60s and older and they seem thoroughly nasty - they can’t possibly know this as if you have changed habits totally there’s no logical reason to do so - I just get the feeling that they seem to feel superior if they are slim and don’t want others to be as it makes them less’special’ - I only did 6 weeks on mounjaro as didn’t like the heartburn/ mild nausea but have good willpower and am using the principles - been at it 9 months now, it’s slow but sure. I just really dislike this nastiness by others , I don’t care how others lose it, what works for them I say . They seem to forget in the 80s and 90swomen used tons of ‘appetite suppressants’ my gran had a cupboard full of limmits biscuits nimble bread and some stuff called ( very badly) aids.

I just get the feeling that they seem to feel superior if they are slim and don’t want others to be as it makes them less’special
I do think that's behind it. The normal response would be to be pleased for someone improving their health.

Meh, the DM comments are always full of interesting people determined to put their thoughts across regardless of how many brain cells were involved in generating them! It's a sewer of nastiness on pretty much every single article they publish, particularly ones about women and their appearance. Misogyny, racism, homophobia, ableism and so on is rife. The trick is not to read them!

@SilenceInsideywp I rarely do as hate the Mail, came up on my fb feed so I broke my usual rule

It’s the Daily Mail…
But to be honest, your comments are a bit nasty and sneering too.

@Liftedmeup in what way? The fact I think it’s because they don’t want others to be slimmer and fitter is just my opinion -

As someone who needs to lose a lot of weight and has just started WLI - we can't win. We are judged for being fat and we are judged for trying not to be, whether that's "what does she look like in that gym outfit" or "she's cheating using WLI, she just needs to stop stuffing her face" or "she'll put it all back on when she stops" as if it'll somehow serve me right...

I just don't understand the hate...

I thought people stayed on it forever so they don’t put the weight back on?

9 stone though, fuck me, that’s a whole person! She must feel so much better. I saw a photo and she certainly looks better. Good for her.

are they actually real people commenting or are they bots/troll accounts trying to stir up emotions for clicks?

They're not wrong. This is what the research shows happens.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c050ljnrv2qo

The opinion of a Daily Mail reader though and to be fair, you lot don’t have a great reputation with comments and opinions.

This subject is so fucking tedious.

It's cultural IMO.

They are wrong about willpower, but that's not about judgemental individuals so much as judgemental cultural norms/beliefs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2084q9079po

Although I do wonder if the use of the word "cheating" means the person saying it is struggling to lose weight themselves (or previously struggled) and feels it's unfair they're being judged for being overweight when other people are losing weight through drugs? I don't know, but I don't think it's black and white.

Seem to be very real if you click on profiles-

Yep she looks great

Genuinely don’t see what the point is of people repeatedly telling us obese people that we will all put the weight back on if we get to the point of losing it. Why the need for people to keep banging on about it?? It’s the same/similar with any weight loss approach. The risk of regain is high, generally. You don’t need to be particularly clever to realise that, and certainly it had occurred to me once or twice over the 18 months plus I have been losing weight.

Thing is I just don’t think you would get quite the same level of vitriol or same comments if it was a man , or if the had done slimming world -

Well, yes, reference the misogyny I already mentioned. Women and their appearance is always up for a DM comment section, and social media in general.

If Ruth Corden had said she'd lost the weight via SW, WW or similar she would still get the vitriol and the commentators these days would still claim she had used WLI and was "lying" about it.

It's definitely damned if you do and damned if you don't, so generally not worth the risk of annoying yourself by reading those kinds of comments.

I’m on a lifelong medication for another issue - not one person has ever pointed out that if I come off it that condition is going to flare up and affect my life, they accept that it’s treating a medical condition and that’s that.

There’s enough evidence to show that obesity is a metabolic disease. Why can’t we treat it without the incessant ignorant criticism?

Yep , I will be giving them a miss - great to see how well she looks

Unheard of when one loses weight without injections, of course.

Name changed for this. Not ashamed of having used WLIs by any means, but...

I was prescribed a WLI (not Mounjaro, this was pre-Mounjaro times) as a trial patient for T2 Diabetes. I was also clinically obese at the time. Over the course of 4 months, I lost 3 stone, with a further stone over the following 6 weeks or so,

I stopped taking it when the trial ended after 6 months. It took a few weeks for my stomach to get used to once again accepting all the food I had a renewed appetite for, and whilst initially, my calorific intake was still nowhere near as great as on pre-WLI days, I was still consuming far more than I had during the preceding 6 months.

Within a year, I had put back on just about every single stone and pound I had lost on the WLIs. And within another 6 months, an extra stone on top.

Why? Because the WLI did not regulate what I was eating, it didn't make me suddenly eat healthy choice foods, and it didn't miraculously embark me on a fitness campaign. It made me feel so crap that some days I had to almost pass out and force myself to even drink. I would frequently go 48 hours without any food whatsoever, and I'm pretty sure I would have been in a calorie deficit on more days than not. Is it surprising that the weight fell off me, and is it even more surprising that as soon as I started to eat even 'sensibly', the weight came back? My body was essentially in starvation mode a lot of the time, and as soon as normal eating was resumed, I guess it hung on to every morsel.

So yes...that's my explanation for why so many of us end up even bigger in the long term. It's not a miracle drug. It's a drug that often literally stops you from eating. In my case, it was pretty much like having a 24-hour stomach bug, 7 days a week. My skin suffered, my energy suffered, and my immune system was shot. I looked 10 years older and felt 30 years older.

Two years on, and a lifelong membership to WW, and I'm getting there again. It's taking a long time, but I've learned these things can't be rushed!

Yeah, I don’t read the DM, I’ve never managed to find anything they have published which doesn’t praise one women (or group of women) without putting another down.

There is a £20 note pinned to my notice board available to anyone who can prove me wrong. It’s been there unclaimed for decades. Perhaps I should increase the bounty, £20 went a lot further when I first issued the challenge.

I have

@2026123ABC that sounds like it was a hard experience for you. My personal experience of 18 months plus on Mounjaro is nothing like what you describe. It doesn't stop me from eating, 24/7. Not at all, and if it is giving such high suppression then anyone taking it should be moving down a dose level and repeat as necessary until you can eat a decent calorie total averaged across the week. I also find that on Mounjaro, I do prefer healthy foods, and I have been able to start an exercise regime due to losing enough weight to feel more able to walk and then to take up running.

I am surprised that the trial organisers allowed you to continue with such severe appetite suppression, almost passing out and not even being able to drink. Sounds like you should have been discontinued from the trial due to the side effects being so severe.

I’m also going to make a generalisation about older women…

…that most of the wise intelligent ones couldn’t give a flying fuck a) about other people’s opinions about what they look like and b) what other folks do or don’t do.

This whole obsession is baffling to me.

I have to agree with @SilenceInside

I largely lost interest in food at first but even though I’m on the highest dose now that interest is coming back. There are definitely days when I could swing by McDonald’s, have a cake, a biscuit or seven. But it’s manageable and not all consuming; it’s a passing thought.