what the hell is the stuff from beauticians

[BoboCat]

I Ordered some mounjaro from my friends aesthetic lady, it arrived... unlabelled vial of powder & a separate vial of water to mix it!
I know mj is only licenced in pen form so got in touch with her to ask wtf it is.. she said its 100% mounjaro & tried to give me some bullshit about different suppliers & it being generic like nurofen & ibuprofen, which of course is bollocks.
She refused to take it back & my mate got all upset as its her botox lady and she doesnt want to piss her off etc so she said she'd just give me the money & she'd take it herself.
Whatever.
But wtf ... people are actually taking this shit! What even is it?
The needles & syringes she chucked in the bag weren't even sealed. I don't understand how places are getting away with selling this stuff

My friend who buys the semaglutide this way says its much cheaper. She pays £150 for 10ml of semaglutide. If she only doses 0.25 a week that's 40 weeks of doses. Obviously she has gone up the doses, but she's only gone up to 0.5 so that vial will still last her 20 weeks.
Insane this wasn't cheaper. That's kind of the whole point x

It’s a peptide powdered form of the drug made by Chinese or Indian labs for research purposes. In its original packing it would have come with the warning “Not for human or veterinary use”. Research labs usually have a licence to use it when researching drugs using cell lines or how it chemically with other drugs.

The big danger is that it can be cut with al sorts of stuff to bulk it out for packaging. Then you have to dissolve it with water ( hopefully supplied) and work out the dose. This form of the drug is usually imported illegally and packaged in a shed somewhere using kitchen scales and a filler ( to cut it with) . The vials are then hand filled and seals put on in non sterile environment.

They often reassure you with a label from an independent testing lab. If you research these labs they have a similar name to a licensed lab but are in fact probably someone’s shed and the paperwork is fake.

Use at your peril. At best they may be a very impure, inaccurately dosed research grade form of Mounjaro or they could just be white powder of unknown origin.

If you have any sense you’ll report to trading standards. Eventually someone will die as a result of these back street suppliers.

Mounjaro is still under licence and despite what your supplier says it is illegal to sell the drug generically for use in humans or animals in the UK or USA. Eli Lily are currently pursuing the unauthorised labs at the moment. Until it comes off patent in 2036 the generic forms cannot be used in humans.

If you have a reaction and are seriously ill or die you have no recourse. The Mounjaro manufacturers cannot be sued because they don’t manufacture this form of the drug.

Nice try OP 😏 😆

What about? I’m not on WLI, no thoughts on them either day and I see it advertise on FB
a girl I used to work with is selling it

Exactly, I assumed those who took the risk did so as the cost was so low.

So your Botox lady is a qualified nurse ( 3 yr degree course) with further qualifications that allow her to prescribe certain medications. They include WLI but they have to be CQC registered in order to prescribe legally. Also adequate indemnity insurance to protect patients if anything goes wrong. If they are prescribing in NHS weight loss clinics their CQC registration will cover them. But if they are prescribing privately they will need their own individual CQC registration which may make it financially unviable. They are not licensed to prescribe peptides that are not for use in humans. They would be struck off.

Beauticians, unless they are qualified advanced nursing practitioners and still registered, are not qualified to prescribe anything in any way or form.

The stats are collated from the reporting system put in place by MRSA in the uk and are easy to access. Tirzepatide is not licensed in the UK so reporting side effects and death isn’t possible. Since the black market drugs are not licensed it would be inappropriate to register data about them against the legal drugs since they have no idea if it is the actual drug. It could potentially skew data leading to the phase 3 trials failing and the drug never making it to market.

The deaths are probably not recorded on the system, however there will probably data somewhere. Probably drugs overdose or maybe poisoning.

In addition Tirzepatide was only tested on 350 people in the phase 2 trials. Phase 3 trial will include up to 3000 people as it is rolled out. This is a very small sample group of those who qualify ie obese ( I think it is being limited tho BMI of over 35). Currently there are no trials underway to test it on people with a BMI under 27. We don’t know what it can do to people who are not clinically obese. And 3000 is a relatively small trial. It may be years before the true picture emerges. However in its roll out it will be closely monitored. It will be withdrawn if the stats become unfavourable.

If you take a drug not intended for you then you need to accept that it may not have the desired effect or that it may ultimately lead to permanent damage or even death.

Sorry I mixed up Tirzepatide and Reta so ignore my comments about MRSA re reporting. Just checked and there are 18 deaths so far associated with Tirzepatide use. These are the reported deaths from legal use.

I wasn’t able to edit the post a second time so for Tirzepatide read Retatrutide, the drug currently in phase 3 trials

This exact thread appeared a few months ago.

Do you mean the MHRA and the Yellow Card scheme? Any deaths reported there are not conclusively determined to be caused or associated with Mounjaro. They are suspected, and only analysis of death certificates and inquest results could show any causal connection.

Data from the MHRA (not MRSA, weird repeated typo from someone who otherwise obviously knows her stuff - presumably autocorrect?) and FDA relates only to post-marketing surveillance on the licensed medicines. They do collect data on legal unlicensed medicines, but not on fakes/counterfeits, which the ones being talked about on this thread are.

And as a pp says, this is just reported data. Outcomes do not necessarily have a causal relationship with the medicine - it’s all about collecting signals to feed into ongoing safety monitoring.

So, previous talk on this thread about fake or real Mounjaro causing deaths is irrelevant.

However, everything Angrymum22 said (apart from suggesting the regulator is a superbug…😂) is correct.

These are fake medicines presenting myriad risks to users. Anyone selling them is a criminal. Anyone buying them is a fool.

and that’s fine for you

I'm not you
I’ve been taking it for well over a year to maintain my weight so I maybe jab once every 3-4 weeks
my weight has stayed at 8.10 —8-12 for over a year
I’ve had 0 side affects and my friends family who use the same stuff have had 0 side affects

I pay 70 quid for 10Mg vial ( ozempic )
MJ is 80
so for me it’s been 100 percent worth it

How much did u actually pay for this crap

Mounjaro is a prescription only medication. It comes from pharmacies not beauticians. Your friend should be more concerned about what is being injected into her face than offending this person. It almost certainly won't be Botox.

The media and MHRA are on the case
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/weight-loss-jabs-mounjaro-retatrutide-tik-tok-sales-b2817649.html

Thank you. Yes, my Google history contains a lot of medical searches ( for work) so my auto correct often gets confused.
The interesting thing about medicines surveillance is that it is used by institutes throughout the world. The origins of the World Wide Web was in sharing scientific data. Then when they all started using it socially it progressed to what we have today.
When adverse drug reactions are recorded someone somewhere is watching. Not in a “spooks” way but from a research point of view.
I had a serious reaction to a drug some years ago. My consultant ( prescriber) had a phone call from a research medic in Scandinavia, he was interested in my medical history since once a pattern was emerging re the drug. Soon after it was withdrawn because, worldwide, over 30% of patients who had been prescribed the drug had had the same reaction.
With the huge increase in litigation I would imagine that all reactions are closely monitored by drug companies in order to react quickly to a rising trend in particular side effects.
You are right in that death is not a direct result of taking the WLI as far as we know. They are prescribed to patients who have serious health risks and likely to experience heart disease, stroke or diabetic complications ( poor immune system) so it would be difficult to blame the WLI. However, use by healthy non obese patients who are using it for rapid weight loss ( pre holiday/wedding) or fat loss ( body builders), has not been adequately researched. We have no idea what these drugs will do to bodies that don’t actually need them.
The use by body builders is particularly worrying. Teenage boys, who have not finished normal development are using the drug before they have completed puberty in order to strip puppy fat and achieve the honed body look. Heaven only knows what this is doing to their biochemistry and what consequences it will have in the future. Using it for body building alongside steroids and other “supplements” is totally unregulated or researched.

Is Tirzepatide the actual cause or is it suspected? From googling it was attributed to but not the direct cause, or something to that effect

Beauticians can't be independent prescribers. What is her profession - doctor, nurse, pharmacist? I would suggest that you report her to her regulatory body, I can help you to find out what it is if you tell us what the profession is that allows her to prescribe @BoboCat

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