Colleagues all dissing Mounjaro

[KateERxx]

I'm now officially 2 stone down and work colleagues are starting to notice and asking what's my secret etc. I don't want to lie but also after a conversation in the office a few weeks back, I now feel I can't be honest about taking Mounjaro, so I've just said I've been strict with my calorie counting (which is also true).

I work in an open plan office and someone brought up casually into convo about how everyone is on weight loss injections now and before I knew it, it turned into a frenzied attack on anyone who takes them. Comments such as 'it's the lazy way out', 'they'll put all the weight back on again', 'they don't know what they're putting in their bodies', 'no such thing as food noise', 'they have no self control', 'people have no discipline nowadays', 'that's the easy way', you get my drift. I just sat there, with a quiet smirk on my face I have to say, as these were all the same people who had quite literally said to me not 20 minutes earlier how great I looked 😂These comments were people from all builds as well, not just 'skinny' people.

In hind sight maybe I should have spoken up at that point in time to defend it and made them all embarrassed, but I'll lose another stone and maybe then do it 😜Anyone else had this at all?

If I take paracetamol for a headache and the headache goes away I don’t congratulate myself?

Nobody would know or care if you did. The number of people worrying about what goes on inside your head is almost certainly zero.

@TheMel especially if you fly and say you swam. You wouldn’t do that? 🤔

No one needs to feel compelled to share private medical information with anyone, especially colleagues.

Whether you think someone cheated at it or not, it literally makes no difference to the actual result. You use the jabs and get to 22BMI or you traditionally diet and get to 22BMI. Either way you are 22BMI, so whether someone thinks you ‘cheated’ or not, who cares?

I'm not talking about what she said to colleagues. If you read the start of her post that I quoted it says she bent the rules to get the jab.

It most definitely does not do the job for you. It helps by regulating blood sugar and slowing transit time which gives you the headspace to make better food choices.

You lose weight in the old traditional way. Eating less than you need. I’m doing it by reducing carbs, others calorie count, if you look at the ongoing threads there’s an awful lot of exercise being done. People are breaking unhealthy habits and creating healthy ones and their weight loss is down to effort. It’s just helped by the drugs.

The sooner it’s accessible to all who want it the sooner we’ll have a healthy population and I hope that the divide between those who can afford it and those who can’t closes pdq. If some people want to feel superior by not using WLI then fill your boots

I've told a few friends (some are also on it), and some of my trusted colleagues, but there are some I haven't mentioned it to. It's not a secret, I just don't want to talk about it every day because I've got to the point where it's just something in the background apart from weigh in/jab day.

In just under four months I have lost 24.5kg and two dress sizes, and knocked 9 points off my BMI, with a long way still to go. Even better, I haven't had a hot flush since 2nd February, my joints don't ache, I can get up off the floor without a crane, and my anxiety has reduced. I've also got more head space now the food noise has gone, and gained more confidence - so much so that I've started a new qualification and successfully interviewed for a promotion at work after ten years in the same role. I know my manager is anti-WLJ, so I haven't mentioned them, but she has commented recently that I am glowing, and that I radiate positivity - I'm genuinely loving life at the moment and a lot of that is down to the effects of mounjaro.

Huh? What I see is a great many women (and men) expressing wonder and delight at weight-loss that they previously worked so hard to achieve but failed. People are celebrating a transformative improvement in their quality of life and their long-term health. I think congratulations are very much in order and your comment is incredibly demeaning to the very many people who have struggled with their weight for decades. Do you also resent people who benefit from chemotherapy or other medical interventions that transform their lives?

I suppose it comes down to whether you see obesity as an illness (like cancer) or not. I am not well-informed on the subject. It may well be. All I know is that of if I had eaten everything I wanted to eat over my lifetime I would be obese🤷‍♀️

It doesn't do the job for you, it just stops you thinking about food ALL the time. It wasn't until that stopped that I realised not everyone has that, and that it wasn't just a lack of willpower. I also wear glasses, do you think I just should try harder to see better?

@Leopardprintisaneutral fair point

I do think the issue is that weight loss tools are always marketed as being the final miracle cure. I remember on here that it was all about how weight loss surgery was the only thing that worked for morbidly obese and that nothing negative could be said about it except that it didn’t work for my relative who is now fatter than when they had it on the NHS. I see injections being the same that nothing negative can be said about them and how anyone who does is jealous. But lots of us have been obese and have food noise (thinking about food all the time) and it’s shit. It’s shit having to watch the weight/lose it all the time and there is no medication unless you meet the criteria. People can comment positively or negatively. I think the thing is to own it. If it works for you then great but equally why can’t others say what they think.

Surely you should admire them - they've found a smart way to lose weight and are feeling great. Good for them.

Obesity is defined as a disease by leading medical experts.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and-overweight

Ok. I get it. Wegovy is like chemotherapy. Will bow out now. Good luck all!

I'd keep quiet. There are some weirdly bitter people who are annoyed that the fat people they've always enjoyed feeling superior to might lose weight. They'll need to find something else to feel smug about now.

This is ignorant bullshit though isn't it. I freely admit I take Mounjaro and it helps with food cravings. What it doesn't do is create the calorie deficit, increase protein intake or lift weights for me.

Do you think we haven't done all those things as well? Have you bothered to take notice of the weariness of yo-yo dieters? Do you think people taking aren't still depriving themselves? Your jealousy is irrational and you're perfectly capable of getting a grip on it instead of making enemies out of people who have faced the exact same battles.

Smaller carbon footprint, for sure!!

I hope you are open minded about learning more about the jabs - but just to give you an additional viewpoint.

Those who are obese, and in particular who have eating disorders like binge eating, addiction etc can take this drug as a way out to give them the head space to make the right decisions.

It's not just about 'giving into temptation' and eating an extra chocolate biscuit, which slim people have said no to, thanks to their award winning discipline.

It's waking up at 3am and standing in front of the fridge eating everything. It's taking food out of the bin to eat. It's scoffing a full Tesco birthday cake before the party and then having to buy another to replace it. It's eating your child's Easter egg or school goodies, and lying when they are looking for it. Eating expired food. Pretending to take food home for the family, when it's just for you.

I'm deliberately giving you extreme examples, but I admit I have done some of these on more than one occasion.

Surely you want everyone in the world to be healthy...? What difference does it make how they get there?

I forgot to say, in answer to your comment that the jab does everything for you - for me, the jab doesn't meal prep for me, doesn't add vegetables to my plate, doesn't serve a smaller portion, doesn't block exercise time in the diary, doesn't drive me to the gym, doesn't shove me on the treadmil, doesn't book exercise classes for me, doesn't force me to walk after dinner, doesn't do the weekly shop for me, doesn't pull the chocolate bar out of my mouth, doesn't record what I'm eating, doesn't magically burn fat like a liposuction equivalent drug.

All it does is gives me clarity to think about what I am doing.

I see the “it’s jealousy” trotted out a lot on these threads and it’s a lot more complex than that I think. Being thin does have some kind of currency attached to it , it’s seen as you being in control , for women it’s linked to appearance and for some women that’s all the currency they have if they are powerless in other areas.

a lot of people do similar things in other areas so childbirth, see pain relief as cheating , complain that kids don’t know they are born these days, take umbrage at people who’ve had a house deposit gifted by parents etc etc the list goes on. We as a species don’t like people to have “had it easier” suffering being a necessary part of the human condition.

Honestly, if you're noticeably losing weight people are going to think to think you're on them, whatever you say. There's an awful lot of people who have all of a sudden figured out how to make calorie counting work, after years of trying unsuccessfully... I have a friend who has lost a huge amount very quickly. She claims she's just been 'really busy running around". Interesting, her husband has also simultaneously lost several stone - and he definitely isn't doing much running around. It's obviously up to them to admit it or not, but it does bemuse me. I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, any more than taking a paracetamol if you have a headache, or having counselling if you're suffering from panic attacks.

But was what they were saying untrue? Expect the food noise part - i agree some people do have it. But the rest is kinda true no?

Not if the rescue services have to scoop you out of the water.

First, it is completely none of my business what other people do with their bodies. However, I've now lost over a stone the old fashioned way via Noom - it's not been horrible and I've really changed my eating in a beneficial way - and I will be a bit annoyed if when I see them next month, my friends assume that I did it via medication. Maybe that's illogical, but I do feel it!

I'm not accepting responsibility for someone feeling crap as a result of a decision I have made that affects no one else. Not happening!

Asking someone if they are on WLI is an incredibly personal question in my opinion. The person asking the question isn't owed the answer.