BMI of 27, no other conditions. Can I get it?

[ThatBeachLyfe]

Just that really. Anyone find a pharmacy/distributor where you can get Mounjaro just for weightloss, with a qualifying BMI but without any accompanying health issues.

No because they were obese when they were prescribed them. Obesity is a recognised health condition its not a stone or 2 overweight and usually has underlying metabolic conditions or other health related conditions such as food addictions, food noise etc and to stop prescribing them when they are just below 30 means they are at much higher risk of regaining also just under 30 bmi is still not healthy. There's a reason why they are not prescribed to under bmi 27 without a qualifying health condition or ethnicity and that will be based on trial data and balancing risk with side effects etc.
@Willowy1982 there's a reason why I mentioned Joe wicks body coach, because it worked for me and countless others but it just so happened that I have prediabetes and insulin resistance which is why I need mounjaro to lose the weight because my body wasnt producing enough insulin so my fat metabolism was affected. Someone who is overweight might do really well on other methods and I am an nhs health professional so I see no harm in suggesting a much cheaper or free method that may work for someone who does not qualify for weight loss injections.

OP most prescribers don't contact your GP, they leave that up to you. So if you want to tell them you have high blood pressure / high cholesterol or a higher BMI than you actually have etc that is entirely your choice.

@Willowy1982 is spot on. So many posts on here from people not qualifying are shot down and to me it seems overly harsh.
I often see complaints about skinny people trying to put others off WLIs as if they didn't want them to be thin too. I feel the same when I see people judging someone who is overweight asking about getting WLIs. Maybe I see this differently because I was not extremely obese. My BMI was just over 30, and only 3 weeks in, it is just over 28... so what's the difference really with someone starting at 28?

This is about the idea of risk versus benefit at a population scale, not at any one individual level. The risks do not outweigh the benefits for people, en masse, who are not obese hence the decision made about the starting criteria for these prescription medications.

If these medications were allowed for anyone with an overweight or healthy BMI, there would overall be more harm done than good, because there are few or no health benefits to it, but a predictable proportion of people will experience side effects ranging from mild to serious.

The difference is its legally not allowed to be prescribed to anyone under bmi 30 or 27 with health conditions or ethnic minority. No-one is shooting anyone down we are quoting and following the legal prescribing guidelines, which everyone else should follow as they are there for a reason and I'm a health care professional so I would never advise anything otherwise as guidelines are there for a reason mainly for health and safety and to minimise risk. In the clinical trials, they would have been used on obese patients so anyone who isn't obese and uses it is taking a massive risk as there is no data for them so they don’t know how non obese people would respond and react. One day it may change but for now it is as it is and we have to abide by them or if people lie to get them then they are going against guidelines and have bigger risks than someone who is obese with more fat on them that this medication is made for, it literally is injected in fatty areas of the body.
If you want to promote misuse and someone is seriously ill or dies then that's on you and anyone else who does the same and there is a lot already who done it with counterfeit medicine too and end up with sepsis, serious organ damage or dead, its just irresponsible and foolish, not to mention downright dangerous to go against guidelines!

Its really not inaccessible, but it comes with some pretty solid risks, and some are not nice. My best friends sister has damaged her eyesight on this med as it made her blood vessels rupture behind her retina and now everything is blurry. She has 6 rounds of eyeball injections to go 😞 which might help somewhat.

@Dandelionsandseapinks that sounds like diabetic retinopathy, which is not a risk if you aren’t diabetic.

Unfortunately not OP. I was told they were doing trials on people in the overweight range though so hopefully it took become available soon if all that looks OK! I think prevention is better than a “cure” so if we can use the drug to STOP people reaching obesity levels than that to me is a good thing.

I would not recommend fibbing as most of them do check now as far as I’m aware?

How did MJ cause this!?

Exactly what I was thinking. I’ve been following the intermittent fasting regime for two years now, to shift the menopause weight increase. It’s working beautifully and pretty easy to do, I’ve slowly lost 10lbs and back down to a weight that I haven’t been at for quite a few years.

In the latest Womens Own magazine there’s a picture of Sharon Osbourne, she looks bloody awful. Apparently even though she stopped the injections a while ago she can’t gain any weight, which is a little worrisome. How much is actually known about all the side effects of these injections, I just wouldn’t do it.

Sharon Osbourne again. She obtained Ozempic in the US when she was already at a low end healthy weight and then took it until she was underweight. All of that is against all of the regulations and guidance in the UK, and she clearly has lots of other issues going on. Nothing of what she has done is representative of people being properly prescribed it for obesity in the UK. The side effects are well known, and she would never have been legally prescribed it in the UK.

I'm not promoting anybody lying to get it prescribed, I'm promoting kindness and empathy. No they can't get it prescribed, but I really disapprove of all the posts saying "why would you want to use it". We all marvel at the results, we all know why it's appealing, so we should say it with kindness and understanding of the struggle. Because at the end of the day, they may have worked really hard not to go over their current weight. I could understand if these were healthy weight people wanting to lose a couple of pounds, but this is not the case. Just be kind 🤷‍♀️

Some private weight loss clinics / Drs do prescribe to lower BMI than the manufacturers recommend, how else do you think the suddenly slim celebs are getting it? You have to pay though, it's not just an online service supplying the drug at a competitive price, think more like private consultations £££

It’s not the manufacturer recommending those criteria it’s the judgement of the MHRA. Any doctor or prescriber in the UK that goes against those criteria is risking their career if there are negative outcomes for the person they are prescribing to, if they have no justification for doing so other than patient demand.

I would think that a lot of celebs are accessing medication in countries like the US which have a very different model to the UK, or they are lying and accessing it fraudulently like other people who don’t meet the criteria but want to access these medications.

This. I think it’s quite hypocritical that people taking MJ are telling overweight people to just diet. As if it that’s easy, and they should know all about the difficulties with “just dieting”

As @AltitudeCheck said, these drugs are available for those with little to lose, I assume privately, if you have enough money:

"I wasn’t overweight. I just wanted to lose the bit that hadn’t budged after having children — I know, how vain of me. But even staying the weight I was then was a constant battle: intermittent fasting, protein to stay full, no carbs and “clean eating” until around 8pm every night when, once the kids were in bed, I would finish a packet of Percy Pigs. I thought about food, and how to avoid it, all day.
I feel no guilt now. I am happier and more energetic than I ever have been as I turn 40 this summer. And yes, thinner too, but after decades of diet yoyo-ing, I’m eating more and thinking about it less."

www.thetimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/article/our-mounjaro-diaries-6-months-on-has-it-changed-our-lives-58qk3nkc8

It’s not hypocritical, it’s the only legitimate option. And people are making suggestions based on what’s worked for them previously. Not telling people what to do.

@IDareSay that article is paywalled, would you be able to summarise how the author accessed Mounjaro?

I'm a bmi of 26. I would dearly like to lose 14 to 21lb. I need to up my steps and stick to two meals a day and no snacks.

You won’t change my opinion.

My previous link should have had a share token. Try pasting the URL into one of the archive sites; Mumsnet won't let me post an archive link for some reason.

Or see if the link works now:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/9cbcd60e-4cbf-4b69-afa4-1023793da754?shareToken=a2344fc49004f582764fdfc96583be84

Thing is most pharmacies that are being used are private pharmacies!?

they probably accessed it through a dodgy company. They’re so common. I watched a documentary on semaglutide which is wegovy and surprisingly 9/10 of the unlicensed batches were indeed semaglutide. Surprised me as I had assumed they’d all be duff!

obviously still a massive risk and NOT one worth taking.

Walker talks more about how she got the drug here:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a6e0f8c4-a407-4fc7-a781-d6966cba9a3a?shareToken=965998db77af834e7e5ed88e82c33258

It is hypocritical because to get to whichever weight you now are, you were once a 28 bmi and failed to do all of what you preach...

Gives a different perspective here... https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/ozempic-microdosing-wegovy-mounjaro-weight-loss-b2712936.html