Serious hobby athlete and weightloss injections

[Greedybugger]

Hello,
Any serious hobby athletes/ fitness fanatics who are using WLI?
I’ve started using Tirzepatide, I don’t need it for weightloss or for medical reasons but I want to quiet the food noise. I’ve lost 2kg but I think it’s muscles and I want to keep my hard earned muscles!
I eat around 500kcal less a day than I used to but still lots of protein and I do weights. Maybe it’s too much of a deficit? How do I keep my muscles??
I take training quite seriously but don’t have a race or a competition as a goal now. I do Hyrox type training and weightlifting.

I don't think I gained that amount of fat in a week, but the scales went up half a stone. I posted on a reddit forum actually for advice at the time but didnt get any responses. I'm very curious about what MJ does in the body separate to actual weight loss. My guess is that the half a stone was linked to inflamation coming back or similar.

yes certainly not in the interest of any UPF producers - pretty much all people on WLI I know say their tastes have changed and they don't fancy most unhealthy foods. But pharma lobby is strong too, so we will see who wins.

Big pharma vs big junk food, who will win??
I think if they play it right between them they can both clean up, obviously that would be at the expense of everyone's health . . . but that's a good thing since the weaker we are the harder it is for us to resist manipulation 🤷🏻‍♀️

Dunno they’ll be UPF meal replacement and a diet to have alongside WLI, supplements etc. Food industry will adapt.

It’ll take your muscles, fat where you don’t need to lose it and probably cause kidney problems. The risks are only acceptable if someone is obese.

Surely that's just what happens with any drop in food intake which leads to weight loss, ie you will also lose muscle tissue and you cant control which areas the fat is lost from.

Of course. But without the medication OP wouldn't be losing weight, which I suppose is the point.

I don’t compete anymore, I just like exercise and I believe WL drugs aren’t on the wada list ( yet)

I don’t think I’ve got better willpower than some obese people. Would you feel better if I gave in and gained weight to get to BMI of 27 or 30? Then I could say I’m entitled to WLI to control my eating

I don’t want to eat more, I just don’t want to think about food all the time and constantly be hungry, even on 2600kcal. Now when I’m taking it I can finally feel normal, eat normal sized portions and not fight against the food noise all the time. I don’t think about food obsessively like I did before and I have no desire to binge.

My worry about what you're doing is that you may struggle to eat 2100 a day and may end up losing more weight/more quickly/more muscle than you would want. But it's your risk to take. If your BMI is 27 but you're muscular then you'll have less body fat than I do at the same BMI. Less fat to lose = more muscle.

I hear you, I'm the same and I lift weights. I have lost 2 stone in 3 months and have not noticed any loss in strength, can lift the same.
This meta-analysis also says that sufficient protein intake and training will prevent muscle loss while losing weight:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39002131/

I agree with the muscle loss. It is the same as any body recomp, if you lift heavy and eat adequate protein you will be able to stave off muscle loss. This has been accomplished for many years - the traditional way - for those that can eat as they should. MJ is an extra tool for those who may be unable to turn off that food noise and make the right choices. Use MJ to build the good habits and have them in place so when the time comes to transition away from MJ, the new habits have been formed and we stand a better chance than the constant battle we have had before with our bodies.

Even if you do eat slightly under what you should, when it comes to being at the weight/BF% you want to be at, you slowly will increase your calories to keep you at maintenance. It doesn't stop there, it never stops once you get to your ideal weight. You will have periods when your weight fluctuates. Through daily/weekly weigh ins you will see the changes and will need to make the adjustments needed, could be increasing activity if weight goes up, could be eating more if weight goes down. MJ isn't going to solve all our problems but it's going to give us a fighting chance of being able to work with, rather than against our bodies.

So we're fraudulently accessing WLI now, are we? Cool, cool.

But it happens much more easily with WLI and then people go even further beyond their goals. With other methods it’s a struggle to get down the last bit of weight usually, so easier not to go too far.

Absolutely this, I can’t think of a single other medicine that someone would want to take if they didn’t need to.

People like the op are the ones who are going to make it more difficult for others to access because there will be even more stringent processes.

I’ve had to send pictures to every provider I have used for MJ. So I’m surprised the op got round this, or they’re not buying from a licensed provider. In which case it could be anything in the pen.

Interestingly I was listening to a podcast about body building and performance enhancing substances (mostly steroids) in women and a female competitor for the bikini category was talking about using ozempic to cut water weight and fat before a competition. I suppose if you are already using testosterone and anabolic steroids, a wli is nothing. I wonder if WLI are going to be used (and then banned) for sports where weight needs to be cut quickly (boxing, martial arts, wrestling etc) to make particular categories.

Have you spoken with your doctor about your battle with food noise? I’m wondering whether therapy would be effective if it’s an obsession that you can’t stop thinking about iyswim.

My DS (16) is a sprinter on his school team and his pediatrician is adamant about “refueling” adequately and not denying yourself treats sometimes. It’s so easy to start slipping towards an eating disorder if you dwell on food intake too much. Just be careful, OP. 💐

I can’t think of a single other medicine that someone would want to take if they didn’t need to.

What does 'need to' mean though? I might also not need to take painkillers for a similar condition and pain level someone else would take them, I wouldn't claim they're not needed. Even moderate overweight, below obesity levels, is associated with increased health risks like cardiovascular diseases, insulin resistance, fatty liver, sleep issues and so on.

Based on another thread the OP has a BMI of 23. Posters are enabling an eating disorder.

Fair enough, BMI 23 is normal weight and not associated with health risks indeed. Someone overweight, even if not obese, is a different matter.

WADA are monitoring and I suspect a ban is imminent: www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/2024-09/2025_list_monitoring_program_en_final_clean_11_september_2024.pdf

@VelociraptorsVelociRapping I definitely think that if their use isn’t carefully monitored, there’s potential for weight loss jabs to be used to further eating disorders. It’s similar to laxatives, for example, which are fine to use to relieve constipation, but anorexia sufferers have also been known to use them excessively to purge, which is very dangerous.

Is your bmi 23 op? You shouldn’t be taking this stuff if so.