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New pharmacy rules announced

166 replies

CoverMeInMarmalade · 04/02/2025 06:20

Pharmacies require stricter weight-loss jab checks www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yeklrer39o

We knew it was on the cards but really frustrating if this now causes problems for those of us who are genuinely obese and need this drug to help save our health/lives.

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Lighterlilly · 04/02/2025 18:18

Can you link to that, rhe trial Eli Lilly released showed rhe placebo group losing weight,

MJconfessions · 04/02/2025 19:03

WorriedRelative · 04/02/2025 12:42

None of those are reasons to omit medication from medical records. MJ may not be terribly relevant for some of these things but it isn't the only medication you can access privately and it could be in some cases.

In fact not informing the GP of medication for the first two reasons is potentially fraudulent.

The issue of others accessing medical records is rather different. There are good safeguards to prevent unauthorised access to medical records at the surgery. If you access them on your phone then the security on your phone is down to you, delete the access if it is problematic, or talk to your surgery about how they record things, it isn't a reason to falsify medical records or keep your GP in the dark.

I think you misunderstand the concept of GP records. GP records are not a catch-all to document every single medication you have ever taken. There is no requirement of individuals to report any medication they privately obtain to their NHS GP or else they are guilty of fraud. I would be very interested in a source to back your claims up otherwise.

Across the NHS, GP records do not include full hospital or dental records, just what the GP has involvement in ie what they choose to record. I had dental prescriptions, hospital prescriptions, dental hospital prescriptions - none of these medications show on my GP record. Beyond that, I have been to the GP about issues that we discussed or medication I have tried without success, that they haven’t noted in their own records.

It’s just how the NHS operates. I’m not falsifying medical records, being fraudulent or omitting information. What ridiculous accusations, that aren’t reflective of how the NHS themselves handle medication notes as standard. In addition sensitive matters like STI results/GUM clinic records, morning after pill or abortions don’t show on your GP medical record by default, therefore neither would details of medication.

There is no personal responsibility for members of the public to tell the NHS about every medication and insist it is recorded either. I doubt GPs would welcome that. We all constantly hear about the NHS being on their knees and shortages and waiting lists.

I can afford to bypass the NHS, whether it’s Mounjaro or a private dermatologist appointments with skin and hair medication privately prescribed. I have bought things like vitamins, supplements, antihistamines, sleeping tablets, cold remedies over the counter. I have paid for counselling, had private blood tests. Other people privately undertake things like surgery or fertility treatment etc. There never has been an expectation for any non NHS-treatment/medication to be reported to your GP, and it’s odd that you’re acting otherwise.

murraymcgill · 04/02/2025 19:19

What if I'm just reordering will I have to have a face to face

IrisPallida · 04/02/2025 19:36

Lighterlilly · 04/02/2025 18:18

Can you link to that, rhe trial Eli Lilly released showed rhe placebo group losing weight,

The trial showed that the placebo group did not lose weight but the 5mg most certainly did...

Look, it is the first, original trial. The one that caused the drug to be approved for prescription in the UK, the USA and around the world. You know, the one that showed that the drug worked.

And yes, I am laying that on with a bloody trowel because it frankly amazes me that people can post any old shit that they 'think' and any old shit from the cess pit of tiktok and facebook misinformation and not ACTUALLY MAKE ANY EFFORT TO VERIFY IT.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2206038

We can't post images at the moment because of the MN Incident, but the one to look at is figure 1 in that report.

MyNewLife2025 · 04/02/2025 20:07

Well I’ve just started the process of ordering my first pen… 🙄🙄🙄
I really hope they’re not going to ask fir GP approval tbh. I couldn't get an appointment to change my blood pressure medication so there is no way I’d get an appointment for that.
That they want a video call instead of photos, fine.
But a GP visit? That’s not going to happen tbh.

Lighterlilly · 04/02/2025 20:24

IrisPallida · 04/02/2025 19:36

The trial showed that the placebo group did not lose weight but the 5mg most certainly did...

Look, it is the first, original trial. The one that caused the drug to be approved for prescription in the UK, the USA and around the world. You know, the one that showed that the drug worked.

And yes, I am laying that on with a bloody trowel because it frankly amazes me that people can post any old shit that they 'think' and any old shit from the cess pit of tiktok and facebook misinformation and not ACTUALLY MAKE ANY EFFORT TO VERIFY IT.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2206038

We can't post images at the moment because of the MN Incident, but the one to look at is figure 1 in that report.

Curious. As Eli Lilly themselves say the placebo group lost weight.

investor.lilly.com/news-releases/news-release-details/lillys-tirzepatide-shows-additional-211-weight-loss-after-12

PiggyPigalle · 04/02/2025 20:38

From what I heard on the news, the new rules are to prevent those with an eating disorder from using them.
Imagine how tempting for someone suffering with anorexia to use it.

dreamingbohemian · 04/02/2025 22:01

Just wondering if anyone else has had their prescription delayed?

Ordered mine last night (rotten timing!) Normally approved quickly but 24 hours later still showing as under review. Worried I won't get it before I need to take my next dose, no emails or anything from the pharmacy.

Lighterlilly · 04/02/2025 22:10

dreamingbohemian · 04/02/2025 22:01

Just wondering if anyone else has had their prescription delayed?

Ordered mine last night (rotten timing!) Normally approved quickly but 24 hours later still showing as under review. Worried I won't get it before I need to take my next dose, no emails or anything from the pharmacy.

It was only announced this morning.,,,

dreamingbohemian · 04/02/2025 22:15

Yes but every other time it's been approved within a couple hours. It's been all day and nothing, it doesn't seem like a coincidence?

TinyKittenPaw · 04/02/2025 22:32

Glorybox2025 · 04/02/2025 07:46

You'll still fall within prescribing guidelines if you've lost weight from obese on the drug.

Do you mind sharing where you saw this information as I’m concerned about this too.

TorturedParentsDepartment · 05/02/2025 18:35

dreamingbohemian · 04/02/2025 22:15

Yes but every other time it's been approved within a couple hours. It's been all day and nothing, it doesn't seem like a coincidence?

If anything mine's gone through faster than it usually does.

AccountCreateUsername · 05/02/2025 18:47

AlbertCamusflage · 04/02/2025 07:37

I notice that the new guidance is also aimed at cracking down on the illegal practice of offering discounts on the medication -- a practice that MN currently fully supports with a dedicated topic for discount codes.

From The Guardian:

The changes also stress online pharmacies must follow the law and guidance on the advertising and promotion of medicines ...
online pharmacies have been using loopholes in the rules to offer discount deals for weight loss “services” that include – and prominently feature – the jabs.

I hope this means that MN will now stop hosting these crowdsourced illegal adverts.

I agree, we should report every one we see. This guidance is well overdue. Online pharmacies putting patients at risk is unacceptable.

Finallydoingit24 · 05/02/2025 18:55

AccountCreateUsername · 05/02/2025 18:47

I agree, we should report every one we see. This guidance is well overdue. Online pharmacies putting patients at risk is unacceptable.

Yes I quite dislike the “use my discount” practice as it encourages people to recruit other users which should not be allowed for medication like this. Fair enough if pharmacies want to offer their own discounts but it’s wrong to set people up with a code where they are supposed to then get new customers for the pharmacy.

CoverMeInMarmalade · 05/02/2025 19:21

Totally agree. I hate the way personal discount codes cause people to 'need' others to sign up to a serious prescription drug in order to keep their own costs low. It's predatory.

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20bloodypounds · 05/02/2025 19:23

retreatingheadlights · 04/02/2025 07:15

I think it's a great idea. Too many people want to get around the rules that are there for their own safety.
I remember weighing someone as part of my job (nurse) and being amazed that he classed as obese as he just looked a bit chunky. Overweight yes, but not obese. You only need to read the threads on here to see that common sense is not that common at all and people are trying to get these drugs when they don't need them, or are injecting their own doses to suit their idea of what their weight loss should look like. The prescribing checks should have been watertight from the start.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people using WLI are doing it from a place of obesity. They have struggled for years. These drugs are literally a life saver. If you were actually part of that community you would read posts of people who have lost 3, or 4 or 5 stone. And who are maintianing that loss.

The prescribing checks are pretty good. Maybe some pharmacies less so. But if a very few people want to lie, that will always be the case with any on line pharmacy, for any kind of medication.

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