Ordering mountjaro without photos

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Does anyone have a recommendation of where does and does not require photos when ordering mountjaro in the uk?

Also, I need to collect it from a pharmacy rather than have it delivered. Can I only do that if I order from Superdrug or boots? But I imagine they will be more rigorous? What happens when you pick it up, do they weigh you or anything??

It’s to avoid those with eating disorders obtaining it, you start giving it to folks borderline overweight and it’s a slippy slope. The goverment has already issued a statement for doctors to check no one of a healthy weight is starting in it and for those prescribing to ensure they do their checks.

@Dragonflysparkles it doesn't matter, it's just the poster seemed familiar and I remember the previous thread. Plenty of people come back to the UK regularly from France and many for various health treatments too. I agree that the lack of a UK address and a lack of a UK GP would probably stop most online applications. It was the insistence on collection that I was curious about. But please ignore my posts if you think it's not likely to be the case. The too-low BMI is the pertinent issue.

Absolutely needs careful consideration. I just think there should be a level of subjectivity.

Which I think there is if you have co-morbidities etc.

No don’t get me wrong, you’re probably right. And if you are that’s concerning as this is likely someone desperate and has an eating disorder.

amd this is exactly the type of person who should never get the drugs.

Sure, and there will come a time when you can talk to a doctor about that and for some people get prescribed. But that times not now. They are treating rhe obese first.

There is a level of subjectivity. You can be prescribed it if your BMI is over 28 (27?) and you have weight related health issues, or if you are one of the ethnicities where you would qualify with a BMI of 28 instead of 30. What you can't be is not obese and without any weight related health issues, nor in one of the ethnicities as mentioned.

Chill out guys I don't have an eating disorder.

@SunQueen24 yes you get it. I should not have to actively try to gain weight to perfectly meet the criteria only to lose it again, it would be healthier to simply lose the weight first. And that's right, if people can keep taking it until they have a BMI under 23 then obviously it isn't dangerous to start taking it at a BMI of 27. In fact it is prescribed at that level but you just have to have extra health issues too. Which could technically make you more vulnerable not less. Just logic.

@SilenceInside you are right, it is the same poster, who can’t get the drugs in France and thought it more lax in the uk and is trying to bypass doctors,

With other ethncities except white British, obese starts from a bmi of 27. So they do count as obese. They aren't separate or exempted from starting as obese. Their threshold is lower due to having more weight/obese related issues from a lower bmi.

Be a pain in the ass to fly to a UK pharmacy every month.

"I agree. I’d rather start at a lower BMI, (still overweight) than have to wait until I gained more weight to start. If people can get it once they’ve hit a healthy BMI it can’t be dangerous to those with a lower BMI."

True MJ doesn't suddenly become dangerous when obese users BMI drops beneath 30. The drug is about getting them from obesity and the exponentially significant health issues back to normal weight. It is about benefit vs risk of staying obese vs risks from the drug, which is asignificantly different balance to "just" being overweight.

I wouldn't be injecting this and dealing with the side effects if I started at an overweight BMI.

if you have co morbidities at 27 you’d get it, but not wanting photos or to be weighed in person says you’re not anywhere near that level.

you will not bet the drugs. You might find some shonky supplier but you’d not know what you were injecting.

It's potentially dangerous to anyone. It has risks, some of them serious. But for someone obese, the risk of the medication is probably far lower than the risk of staying obese.

Also very risky to your health is weight cycling, eg losing and regaining weight repeatedly. So someone formerly obese, who became a healthy weight through injections is again probably at a higher risk of consequences if they come off the drugs and regain than if they continue on a low maintenance dose - if that's how it ends up working, currently there is uncertainty about maintenance once the weight is lost.

Someone who does not have the risk factors of being obese, or being recently obese and at risk of yo-yoing shouldn't take the injections because the danger of taking the drugs outweighs the benefit to their health.

UK Meds and mayfair weightloss don't ask for photos. But they don't do pharmacy collection. You could have it delivered to work or a freinds maybe?

People who are not obese don't have to gain weight, get injections, then lose weight. They can quite simply remain not-obese and be content that they aren't at risk of the health issues that obese people face. And they don't have to take the risk of the side effects of the injections. It's a win-win.

Sorry I might not have articulated myself very well. As someone who’s weight yo-yo’s between healthy - obese that’s the POV I was coming from. I’ve been slowly gaining (around 2lb a month) and gone back into the obese range. I would have preferred to “catch” myself on the upwards trajectory before I got obese again.

At some point, they may be able to open it up to overweight people to prevent obesity but for now, they've only opened it up to obese people. There's really nothing users can do - it's just the manufacturers' policy.

Someone is bound to feel it's unfair in some way, like obese people can't get it on the nhs unless your bmi is over 35 or 40 in some places and you have weight related issues, so you have to pay for it until they open it up to lower bmi obese people. There's nothing you can do but stick to the rules.

MJ is not licensed yet in France. You can get Saxenda and Wegovy on private prescription though. I imagine OP wants to use MJ and so is looking to source it here in the UK.

I collect my prescription, I have to provide photos for the online order and my details are verified by the pharmacist when I collect.

You can be a healthy BMI and legitimately get a prescription- many providers do maintenance plans.

Cannot imagine a pharmacy whipping out a set of scales. You might also be getting it for diabetes?

They know if it is doctor prescribed or via them, so either diabetes or weight loss, they only prescribe for weigh loss. And all pharmacies have scales,

I’m not trying to assist the OP I just don’t think this is logical. A pharmacy only dispenses the meds - they don’t prescribe them. Even if it was prescribed by that pharmacy it’s pretty unlikely that the person who prescribed (either Doctor or pharmacist) will also be dispensing the medication or know the background and rationale for that prescription.

You can also take a script to any pharmacy? So what then if OP just obtains the script and collects it from an entirely different pharmacy which is entirely possible.

Cmon the pharmacies that do collect like Asda Superdrug etc all know they prescribed, well not they but someone acting for them and it’s not a gp prescription,

i think it’s really dismaying people are already desperat3 to get their hands on the drugs when not eligible, dismaying and concerning,

My point is just that the assistants who actually dispense the medication aren’t go going to police prescriptions? The likelihood is they aren’t even medically trained to do so.

But it’s filed by a pharmacist. They know who it came from, the gp or otherwise and they know the checks required, whenever I pick up a prescription at a pharmacy I go to that counter, not the main shop.