Just a note re "I did x and mine are fine"

[hunkermunker]

If the children to whom you refer aren't 85 (at least), it's not all that bright a statement.

That's all.

VVVQV my highly allergic DD also showed signs before she was vaccinated. She had eczema and wheezing.

Having extensively read on the subject I'm convinced that she was born with an intolerance to cow's milk protein but that vaccination (in her case DTP) interacted with her natural susceptibility and worsened the situation.

Pertussis toxin is known to affect gut permeability in susceptible individuals.

I only found out after the fact that cow's milk protein intolerance/allergy damages the gut lining and can set some people up for vaccine damage. I have found studies which suggest that babies who show signs of casein intolerance should be vaccinated with caution and later than normal. My doctor was aware of none of this and happily vaccinated DD despite her eczema flare up just prior.

For the record (completely anecdotal) DD2 was also born with dairy intolerance, she is completely unvaccinated and has no other allergies. At 2.5 she appears to be growing out of her dairy intolerance.

I'll tell you what I mean. I mean the thrill some people seem to get out of suggesting that even if you think your children are fine, they probably won't be. The glee with which people make totally unsubstantiated claims (re allergies, on this very thread) and say insane things like "Does it really matter if they are fine? Even at eighty five?
That's like saying 'I got hit by a car/stabbed in the chest/took ten grams of heroin and I'm ok' yeah, you might be, but not everyone is that lucky."
My objection is to telling people untruths about weaning and breastfeeding which do torment some people. It's mean and stupid and pointless.
Don't roll out that 'oooh, you are afraid of the truth' crap.

Then that's about you, not me. I'm not going to rein in my flippancy just because it grates your unmentionables.

Anyway, I'm only flippant about things that really matter

rofl at thrill. oh yes, they're pleasuring themselves in the worst way...

Yawn PC
Maybe you think it's hilarious that some women may find the style of this thread upsetting
Chortle away

Ah be damned with all this crap. I look at my baby, I listen to my baby and I follow alot of the time what feels right.

I have and do listen to current advice and guidelines and think you'd be a fool not to imo but i always rely heavily on what feels right to me.

I have 2 dc. Ds1 is 8 and lovely. I was pressured to wean him just before 4 months as he was a large baby. He was gaining weight, was healthy and exclusively bfed, I was also pressured and made to feel like a dreadful parent for continuing to offer him breast on demand and told in no uncertain terms that he should be on 3 meals a day, i was starving him and should offer him water instead of breastmilk as he was only likely wanting a quick drink. Am very cross and angry for the advice that was thrust on me. I was young and a first time mum and didnt have the benefit of experience or confidence to question. I also have PND. Ds1 is howver a happy healthy child with no allergies and eats a wide vairety of food. I also co-slept with him (very frowned on).

Ds2 is 10 months (tomorrow ) and I am exlc bfeeding on demand and I co-sleep with him. I didnt start to wean him, but he started to wean him self around 6 months (grabbing my food and having a go). He still has as much milk as he wants and recently started wanting a quick suckle mid play and then crawls off again. I love it. It feels the most natural thing in the world. I was told by hv to stop bfeeding when he is 2 as poeple might frown on it. I said i dont care what people think Ds2 loves him food too and I have avoided the whole puree stage and stress of encourgaing them to eat in case they starve. I dont have pnd this time and am loving this whole baby business (so much so we are planning on ttc no 3).

Anyway (babbling on) what i am trying to say is that if more women were empowered to follow instinct and naturally respond to child rather than child fitting into what mould society reckons the current parenting style should be i think we would have happier mummys and healthier babies.

who finds it upsetting? you? speak for yourself then, not for all these other women, so delicate from all that formula feeding and early weaning that they must seek your protection.

This thread was gearing up nicely to be quite hysterical, gleefully comparing formula feeding & four month weaning to giving heroin and people going on about allergies as if they knew anything about it.

"My objection is to telling people untruths about weaning and breastfeeding which do torment some people. It's mean and stupid and pointless."

Please point at where I have done this, on this thread or elsewhere.

I may be flippant, but I damn sure am not cruel.

did they mabana, i missed that. they were saying that formula is like heroin? well that's clearly nuts. (not peanuts)

What unsubstantiated claims would they be banana?

Ones like "it never did me/mine any harm?"

Within days her face had been taken off with Transpore and she looked like she had been garroted when someone put a wool bonnet on her. Her asthma is now so bad that she was given everything (steroids and antibiotics) for a cold last week because the GP doesn't trust her anymore to not end up seriously ill from one. I'm worried about her having my condition (which is basically an allergy to anything living) as she's showing a few signs of it already.

evening and thanks for nite message. Fireworks woke him in the end, alas tooth still not through and bothering lo but he managed to stand without holding on today bless him. OH and heaqr hear on the bollocks of protecting the feeling of those who might be feeling guilty.

Actually it really does piss me off in the whole bottle breast debate that often breastfeeders are often understanding that some mums would have loved to have bfed but havient for various reasons but we still get branded for being pouncy superior what nots.

The claims about allergies on this thread were unsubstantiated.

and then rebutted by you, mabanana... cos that's how it works, this internet forum lark...

Which claims were they? Go on - do a bit of fisking - you know you want to

Awen, it suits some to think of women who support breastfeeding as evil Nazis. Because if they aren't, if they're just kindly souls who want to help other women to have positive experiences - what then? Who can they rail against? Not the health professionals whose own practice is ropey, not the formula manufacturers who on the one hand provided the substance that fed their baby, but on the other hand used dubious methods to market that substance, so undermining the breastfeeding support that may have meant they had had their own positive experience.

It's a tricky one. Better blame the bf mafia. After all, they stand to gain, er...well...nothing from all this encouragement, publicising of research and guidelines to inform and empower women, etc.

This thread was designed to be divisive, wasn't it?
You are already being divisive, with your "Actually it really does piss me off in the whole bottle breast debate that often breastfeeders are often understanding that some mums would have loved to have bfed but havient for various reasons but we still get branded for being pouncy superior what nots."
Who are the 'we' here?

I am resting! This is the most comfortable seat in the house on my back, even when the PC is off I sit here. This is my first night without Tink and I'm relaxing without going to bed knowing that I won't be waken early in the morning.

the 'we' in that sentence is bfers, non? presumably awen is a bfer?

oh come on nana - i'm trying to watch a film here - which bits are unsubstantiated?

"It's a tricky one. Better blame the bf mafia. After all, they stand to gain, er...well...nothing from all this encouragement, publicising of research and guidelines to inform and empower women, etc."
Gosh, I must have missed all the research and encouragement and information in the OP then. And in the subsequent posts.
What I saw was sneering, untruths and exaggeration. That is what I found unpleasant.

sorry i should have worded that 'I feel I and other women who breastfeed'. That better?

Preceisely hunker

Sorry mab but it is late and i am not at my best so type the bast i can. Didnt reaslise this was a test...

yes am a bfer but almost feel like i shouldnt say out loud for upsetting those who arent. Tbh that annoys me that i have to be so careful on these boeards to say I BREASTFEED AND I AM VERY VERY PROUD AND I DONT FEEL GUILTY AND I LOVE IT AND I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD DO IT.

THere.

is this the first thread you've ever read, mabanana? i suggest you have a read of the other posts in this and the breast and bottle feeding sections, at the very least.