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The Sixty-Sixth Republic - Who will be the medal winners on Results Day? Grade inflation predicted again

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Staffholidayclubrep · 06/08/2021 22:40

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Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 08:12

Tut.

Meanwhile the TES are being all DM with an article about how 2 in 5 / over 40% of 'people' thought it was 'easier' for exam age pupils this year.

Which means more than half didn't....

No explanation as to who these people were either.

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 08:13

In any given year , I reckon, 40 % of 'people' will say exams are too easy! (probably about 80% of MN...)

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 08:24

Wow

twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1430066291075862542

ChloeDecker · 24/08/2021 08:27

Really worried about that Piggy Sad

ChloeDecker · 24/08/2021 08:31

Anyone who knows a bit more about school staff Covid figures have any views on this?

I’m so tired of being gaslighted by people who keep repeating we are completely safe and to stop moaning-all because of the ONS and a very small sample of school staff (why were 500 odd school staff directly compared with over 2 and a half thousand ‘similar’ professions??)

twitter.com/enemyinastate/status/1429850445535711236?s=21

borntobequiet · 24/08/2021 08:44

Apparently it's CYPMHS now, not CAMHS.

It’s also less easy to say. This is either woefully stupid or it’s deliberate, adding another level of obscurity to something that’s hard to access.

noblegiraffe · 24/08/2021 08:47

That's a very random calculation, Chloe. Where are the figures from?

England only had 461,088 FTE teachers in 2020, so obviously more teachers than that as many are part time, but he's calculating that over a million teachers had covid by Easter and then taking 10% of that to find 1000 teacher deaths and claiming under reporting. He seems to be therefore supposing that every teacher had covid by Easter which we know, from antibody testing, isn't right.

That said, if we do have 461,088 FTE teachers and 114,000 have been reported as having long covid, then that's a big percentage.

Maybe he doesn't mean teachers? Maybe he isn't just talking about England?

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 08:48

They aren't gathering occupational data , unless specifically told to, so keep parroting pre Delta/during lockdown stats. There was a really interesting Twitter thread on this ages ago.

Given the size of the profession it is utterly reprehensible that they used such a small sample.

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 08:52

On e of the reasons for lower teacher fatalities is that our general health is good a s a profession (physical anyway) and we are a young workforce,and low BAME/ deprivation. But deaths are never the full story.

I really would liek to see what happened to bus driver/ taxi driver deaths after the initial concern. Not that I am diminishing it, but I am sure theirs went in the opposite direction, or bus drivers at least.

JanglyBeads · 24/08/2021 08:55

Chloe, yup, this is what the unions and some scientists said at the time that report was released: not valid because schools were closed for more than half the period studied and it excluded over 64s.

The union(s?) reported v different figures under a FOI request to LAs, will try and find it.

ChloeDecker · 24/08/2021 08:56

It’s annoying it is just a tweet with little background info but I was hoping that the reporting on long covid numbers itself was true but can’t find anything on that.
However, I also wasn’t aware just how badly the media and ONS under-reported the death rate back in January and it’s just fed into the abuse we have received.

DanglingMod · 24/08/2021 08:57

It defies all logic to think otherwise, doesn't it, re bus drivers etc? They got plastic screens, masks and have a window right next to where they sit. Surely (hopefully) their risk level dropped.

ChloeDecker · 24/08/2021 09:02

@DanglingMod

It defies all logic to think otherwise, doesn't it, re bus drivers etc? They got plastic screens, masks and have a window right next to where they sit. Surely (hopefully) their risk level dropped.
And in London at least, they taped up all the seats at the front nearer the bus drivers, so no one would sit near them.
ChloeDecker · 24/08/2021 09:03

Oh and for a big chunk of time, you couldn’t enter the front doors, only the rear doors and they limited numbers.

DanglingMod · 24/08/2021 09:10

Another thing that made me laugh when I saw it (ie a London centric thing) "all bus passengers will enter at the rear doors to protect drivers" Erm, not in the rest of the country where there's only one door! Journalists are as bad as politicians for assuming everywhere is the same.

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 09:22

There was still some of that on the recent thread about keyworkers chloe. MN hates keyworkers, unless they are proper working class, in which case they condescend to them ,ask where all the threads are about them , and then , as the genius who is born pointed out, never start one.. (but like with disadvantaged kids)

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 09:22

bit

ChloeDecker · 24/08/2021 09:34

Yes, it’s the gaslighty ol’ switcheroo isn’t it, Piggy that I have come to loathe. They cannot respond to a point you make but claim another different issue shows you are wrong Hmm

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 09:42

Well, they can't start a thread because then they wouldn't be right that there were no threads! Grin

JanglyBeads · 24/08/2021 09:51

I have found this which I hadn’t seen previously, from May 21 - very interesting and informative, although obviously not just about schools:

www.tuc.org.uk/research-analysis/reports/riddor-covid-and-under-reporting

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 09:55

yeah , that was in The Guardian. Therefore sneered at on MN!

Someone on that other thread mentioned how hard it had been to get compensation for a KW death because of burden of proof. How awful.

Piggywaspushed · 24/08/2021 09:58

There's that DVLA thing I keep banging on about in that!! It should be an absolute scandal!!

noblegiraffe · 24/08/2021 10:12

Starrynight’s teacher friend is discussed on there too. Bloody awful negligence.

ChloeDecker · 24/08/2021 10:32

Interesting read Jan -especially as I feel it is more like 500 odd deaths for education staff too if we include older staff that they missed out.
And look at the rate comparison with transport workers in the second column.
If it’s partly to do with compensation claims, it does explain a lot.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 24/08/2021 11:57

School shoes for girls are so impractical, expensive and can cause blisters or get wetter feet when it rains, so I would love her to stay in ‘school trainers’ like all the boys but peer pressure has started to rear its ugly head

Lands End had some great 'half trainer/half Mary Jane' shoes last year - proper grips on them, and they came higher up the foot than usual Mary Janes. Not available yet on the website, but Sketchers also do some more sturdy MJs too.

For my child it's all about the MJs. Normal ones are hopeless - she has soaking wet feet by the time she's walked across the park on the way to school.