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Thirteenth Republic - School’s out for summer, no more pencils no more books!

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 20/07/2020 15:06

You are most welcome to this school staff support thread to get us through stressful times. It is meant for school staff. Baiters and bashers can jog on somewhere else.

If you are NOT staff and just have a general education query please start your own thread.

You can play here only if you are a member of one the following groups-

-ABBA - anti bashers and baiting association
-SWAB - school workers against bashers
-SWOT - school workers opposing teacherbashers
-STARS - schoolworkers together against ranting + slurs

Other requirements for staff room entry include the ability to find the staff room, the ability to find a clean mug in the staff room, knowledge of the photocopier codes, and the ability to sniff out where the toffee vodka is hidden.

If you are fed up with cakes and biscuits there is now a cheeseboard on offer

If you come with a stick to beat us with then please do so elsewhere and not in the staffroom

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CallmeAngelina · 25/07/2020 18:28

I have been assuming that we will have class 'bubbles' of 30 (bad enough) but I've read something on an FB group whereby lots of primary parents are saying their schools are having whole year groups and Key Stages as bubbles. I am now anticipating not being allowed to isolate at all, however many kids test positive (even if they tell us).

Appuskidu · 25/07/2020 18:33

I can see us having to justify being in close proximity to anyone testing positive for longer than an hour (photo evidence emailed to the head? Grin) before letting any of us go home!

Piggywaspushed · 25/07/2020 19:41

Well, my holiday not holiday just entered a whole new pandemic crazy...

Usual suspects on MN devoid of any sympathy for anyone.

Mistressiggi · 25/07/2020 20:20

You could be a teacher living with someone wfh. Or in an office with half a dozen colleagues. Or have no dc.
Obviously you could also be living with a Covid-ward staff member... but I think a two teacher combo is fairly common and should be considered by the government.

minisoksmakehardwork · 25/07/2020 20:57

@Mistressiggi - in our scout group, 2 of the leaders are teachers/staff in different schools, and their members come from several different schools depending on which section they are in. It sounds like the government doesn't want extra curricular activities to run, because this would also apply to any out of school activity where a teacher volunteers.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 25/07/2020 21:44

www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain

Does this help, or not Piggy?

Piggywaspushed · 25/07/2020 21:59

Well,I hope it means I now get my money back rafa.

#prayforpiggy

phlebasconsidered · 25/07/2020 23:29

I'm in a primary, both my kids are secondary and my husband is an army base chef serving thousands. If we get it we could spread it rather a lot between us all. My school bubble of 3 classes across a yeargroup is utterly meaningless.

I've been looking at jobs. Some are creeping on for January starts. I've also signed up for other local public sector job sites away from teaching. All rather quiet.

Keepdistance · 26/07/2020 00:50

I think dc school is just doing year group bubble for reception. (60 where they cant distance or wash hands properly and play with lots of shared toys...)
Even out of the ones i know at school there are 2 shielding families 1 of which is a child. They havent got kids in reception though.

Saucery · 26/07/2020 07:30

There’s quite few cleaning jobs on our local support staff site. All minimum wage, only one specifically mentions knowledge of infection control. All in secondary too. Primary probably just shoving packs of wipes in existing staff hands.

EducatingArti · 26/07/2020 07:52

www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html
I don't understand why the sage report doesn't address this study.

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2020 08:15

The report, although circulated a couple of days ago is actually dated before this.

Also, they seems to be in denial about the fact that older children receive education and are just hoping adults somehow control their teenagers by not letting them out other than to attend school. And that every child will somehow miraculously walk or cycle to their schools.

motherrunner · 26/07/2020 08:31

@Piggywaspushed Any news about a refund????

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2020 08:42

I imagine I'll be waiting a while. A Facebook ally told me she got news about her holiday the day before she was due to travel. Load of travellers have been told by Villa Plus that they can't get a refund even during peak lockdown...

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2020 09:09

On another note does anyone know what kicked off on Edutwitter yesterday? All the main players are talking in code about it.

Is it anything to do with that awful Calvin Robinson man?

motherrunner · 26/07/2020 09:18

@Piggywaspushed What? That is awful treatment of customers. I hope you get the news you want.

Appuskidu · 26/07/2020 10:00

I’ve been thinking about going back in September.

We have been in since June-all non shielding staff, in small and closed bubbles-no mixing at all, staff in small groups eating lunch spread out in the hall, meetings by Zoom, closing early one day for cleaning, leaving promptly so cleaners can get in, no visitors, parents not hanging around etc This was manageable because we had so few children in.

I wonder how quickly it will be before it starts to feel like we did in March? If people start getting ill with coughs and temperatures -which they will do,
Covid or not Covid, absence rates will be high, people will be anxious, ex-shielded people will be understandably more so, lots will hang on heads needing teaching staff in to keep things running as normal so bubbles don’t have to close.

Usually, we stagger in anyway, unwell because we know we’ll be letting the school down, but will be still feel like that if we have a temperature or cough? Pressure from the head to come in anyway, is usually high-will this change?

You can usually get supply teachers, but you couldn’t find them in that last week in March-will that be the same? If you were a supply teacher, would you want to go and cover a teacher in a class where there had been a positive case but the class was still in? What if three kids and the teacher were off with symptoms but no tests back yet? Would SLT honestly tell the supply the symptoms situation in the class, or would they fudge it, just to get a warm body in there? If you found out as a supply that there had been a
Covid symptoms but the school has omitted to tell you, how would you feel?

What if that class had one supply on Monday, then a different supply the next day, and the next? If you were doing supply with an underlying health condition, how would you feel about that? If you were a supply teacher going from school to school, staff room to staff room, as a daily supply-how many different schools could you spread to if you had it but hadn’t developed symptoms yet?!

Will we have parents evening end of September/October? This would involve meeting large numbers of new people in confined spaces. Would we need masks-if we do in shops, surely we will do in that situation? What about Ofsted? Will we still have book scrutinies if marking is going to be different? Lesson observations? Wall displays? Will they want us all off the site promptly to get deep cleaning done like in July or will we be back to late nights spent planning and having meetings as before?

I’m just waffling here, but I’m just wondering what you think the autumn term will look like?!!

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2020 10:08

I have all of those questions to. Unfortunately , I think all the answers are down to how cautious, careful and considered your won school's approach is : considering mine has a full in person training day, has already been having F2F meetings,has outlawed masks, has brought in paired duties and invited students on site to help with whole scale site remodelling and has no 'bubbles' (sorry, 'segmentation') to speak of, I lack confidence .

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2020 10:08

too

noblegiraffe · 26/07/2020 10:13

Piggy which row on edutwitter yesterday?

There was one about that article published in a research journal saying that trad edutwitter was a populist right-wing authoritarian movement?

Or the one debating whether OldAndrew is a misogynist?

Didn’t see anything about Calvin Robinson.

Howaboutanewname · 26/07/2020 10:24

As a former supply teacher, registered with 6 agencies and in a different school everyday, I would say that right now is the time for supply to go back under the control of local authorities and for schools to build relationships with individual supply teachers so there is some continuity. Not good for school or supply teacher to be walking into their 5th school of the week on a Friday - potentially 10 schools during every 14 day incubation period. I hope supply staff will get contracts to work exclusively in a couple of schools at most because they are clearly going to be essential in keeping schools open.

It will be a shambles, however, of that I am sure.

noblegiraffe · 26/07/2020 10:31

Supply teachers would definitely meet the requirement for needing masks - they’re in enclosed spaces with people that they would not normally meet. If Johnsons wore a mask in a classroom then so should they.

ohthegoats · 26/07/2020 10:32

I saw stuff about an edutwitter row. Secretheadteacher did a post about the craft of teaching, so I'm guessing it's about that shiz.

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2020 10:44

I don't know what the row was ; just been a load of veiled comments about it today. Katharine Birbalsingh was trying to stir something up but I think that is not it.

I think it might be the misogyny thing. Or possibly Mark Enser telling Teacher Tapp respondents they were wrong about discovery learning, but that's less likely.

They are always falling out!

Piggywaspushed · 26/07/2020 10:44

Don't these people get into trouble with their headteachers for these public spats?

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