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The Ninth Republic - stand by for the return of Year 10

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 10/06/2020 16:24

You are most welcome to this school staff support thread to get us through stressful times. It is meant for school staff. Baiters and bashers can jog on somewhere else.

If you are NOT staff and just have a general education query please start your own thread.

You can play here only if you are a member of one the following groups-

-ABBA - anti bashers and baiting association
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-SWOT - school workers opposing teacherbashers
-STARS - schoolworkers together against ranting + slurs

Other requirements for staff room entry include the ability to find the staff room, the ability to find a clean mug in the staff room, knowledge of the photocopier codes, and the ability to sniff out where the toffee vodka is hidden.

If you are fed up with cakes and biscuits there is now a cheeseboard on offer

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motherrunner · 12/06/2020 08:38

Whenever I try to think of a solution, there always seems to be a problem and hate feeling so fatalistic about it.

What this has all shown is the definition of education over the last few decades. When I started teaching in 2000 my top set class was capped at 28 pupils, SEND at 10 with a TA. My top sets are now 33 in a class that seats 30 and my bottom set is 28 (no TA). My school already works on a two week timetable with staggered breaks and lunchtimes because we have been increasing our numbers but the space isn’t there in a Victorian building.

On a positive note I logged into my emails and the Deputy head had a meeting with the Parent’s Guild last night and he said all parents from pupils of all years groups couldn’t thank him enough for our hard work. I have to keep remembering that when I’m being battered by randoms!

Beawillalwaysbetopdog · 12/06/2020 08:38

motherrunner - just go on threads I'm on and hide them all (except this one ofc!)

I think nightingale childcare might just about work with new staff supervising remote learning, it would also reduce the numbers needed as some could still do the remote learning from home. But, it would need massive amounts of money for equipment - laptop etc for each child and staff. There'd need to be rapid first aid and safeguarding training plus dbs checks.

What we really need is a plan for sep, any plan will do just so we can start preparing to get around the unworkable ideas since they won't actual ask anyone with relevant experience to come up wit ideas

motherrunner · 12/06/2020 08:39

Decimation! Not definition. I am binning my iPhone ...

Appuskidu · 12/06/2020 08:51

I have just posted a long reply on the ‘This is what I would do with schools’ thread.

There is a doctor on there saying that she didn’t think medics would return to work in the crisis, but they did and teachers will, too. I honestly do not believe there will be more than a handful of ex-teachers returning to staff any sort of summer schools. Nurses returned to cries of heroism, being called angels-clapping, rainbows and skipping supermarket queues.

None of that will ever happen with teachers-the media (and most of MN, it seems) absolutely despise us! They probably want people in schools to teach their children for free.

Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2020 09:06

I really don't think that many actual frontlien medics returned and some of them died , medics are paid A LOT ...

My friend says she has two retired staff in her office atm in a hospital and they are literally there so the two trained nurses who work there normally could go back tot he wards : we really don't have that equivalent of being able to shuffle people around.

I do think my ex headteacher will be up for it, though. But he is an exception. The guy he replaced definitely won't : not enough cachet and none of the younger staff I know who left teaching would touch it again with a bargepole.

Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2020 09:08

mother, time for your school to get rid of setting! Mixed attainment classes give smaller class sizes, on the whole...

Flagsfiend · 12/06/2020 09:11

The nightingale school idea is interesting, but comparing a school with a hospital is a bit ridiculous. With a hospital you go there and stay, if you are really ill you probably don't care where it is as long as you are looked after. With a school the children have to get there and back each day, transport is a big headache as it is - I can't see this helping. Unless they are planning boarding schools...

RigaBalsam · 12/06/2020 09:11

Retired teachers would be so expensive if they left on UPS 3. The average Mumsnetter doesn't seem to realise this.

Appuskidu · 12/06/2020 09:14

Retired teachers would be so expensive if they left on UPS 3. The average Mumsnetter doesn't seem to realise this

Having read some posts on here recently, some MN probably think ex teachers should just ‘Step up’ and return as volunteers out of the goodness of their hearts!

RigaBalsam · 12/06/2020 09:16

Think you are right Appu.

twinkletoesimnot · 12/06/2020 09:21

Morning - I reported one last night that basically said we should work all summer as we have done nothing so far.

Just got an email from MNHQ to say they have deleted and banned her for inflammatory trolling on a number of occasions.

One down .......

ohthegoats · 12/06/2020 09:35

@DrMadelineMaxwell thanks. My partner grew up in Abergavenny, my family are from Swansea originally, I lived in Swansea for 7 years until 2005, but now hanging around the Thames valley. Why?! It's expensive and flat here! I wasn't a teacher when I was in Swansea, but worked in Cross Hands, so all very Welsh speaking. I still speak hardly any Welsh at all. I can sing Sosban Fach, but that's not the most useful.

Now partner doens't need to be in the office (he's been told no office until June 2021, at which point why would he go back?), we're thinking hard about whether it's time to head back to Wales. Maybe I'll find a course over the summer to learn the necessary Welsh.

ohthegoats · 12/06/2020 09:36

I reported one last night

I reported loads last night too. That's what they've told me to do instead of 'thrashing it out on the boards'. So, everything got reported.

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/06/2020 09:58

In hospitals you use bedpans.

Honestly, the toilet issues are massive logistically.

SallyLovesCheese · 12/06/2020 10:03

All this talk of 'Nightingale schools' has me thinking - who is our educational equivalent? KS1 pupils learn about Florence Nightingale, but which famous teacher would we name our super-schools after?

DrMadelineMaxwell · 12/06/2020 10:10

@ohthegoats I forget sorry...primary or secondary? The need for the welsh drops massively if a subject teacher at secondary.

DrMadelineMaxwell · 12/06/2020 10:10

And I now have sospan fach in my head.

Appuskidu · 12/06/2020 10:12

KS1 pupils learn about Florence Nightingale, but which famous teacher would we name our super-schools after?

Mr BronsonGrin

The Ninth Republic - stand by for the return of Year 10
Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2020 10:16

Ha!
I am more of the Bridget the Midget generation...

Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2020 10:18

I did ask this before and I can't think of one but buggered if I want schools to be named after that figure of the Crimean War. Anyone who has read their Agard will get the irony!!

Appuskidu · 12/06/2020 10:18

For the ORT lovers...

This is Mrs May.

It's safe to say, when Mrs May put together her lesson plans for the 2019-20 academic year, she had not a fucking clue what the next few months were about to throw at her, even in the context of the unpredictability of having worked on the front line of education and therefore at the whim of the DfE for the last 40+ years.

No, even the Department for Education would have struggled to throw a curveball at frontline teaching staff the size of a global pandemic, although that's not to say that some of their batshit lunacy over the years hasn't come close.

Mrs May has learnt a lot over the past few months, not least to stay the fuck away from any kind of mainstream media, who if they had their way it seems would quite like the general public to take to the streets (in a sensibly socially distanced manner, of course), waving banners and flaming torches to protest at the behaviour of these selfish fucking bastard teachers. Sat at home! In their slippers! Watching Netflix! While the schools were closed! ON FULL PAY! If Thursday has been known for Clap for Carers, Mrs May is pretty certain there are large swathes of the population who would be fully behind Fridays being re-monikered as Boo for the Bloody Teachers.

In fairness, Mrs May doesn't deny that there may well be some teachers out there who are indeed using this time to sit in their slippers and watch Netflix. Mrs May can only assume that these teachers must have left the teaching profession many years ago, because fucking hell, not only has Mrs May not had time to be sitting around watching Netflix; frankly, there have been days when Mrs May has barely had time to go for a shit.

While Mrs May is shielding, and therefore working from home, Mrs May also suspects that her non-shielding colleagues would strongly dispute the oft-pedalled statement that "the schools are closed". Most children are sadly unable to go to school right now, that is very much true, but with key worker children having been in school throughout, with the gradual return of children in certain years, and with all of the staff at Mrs May's school having spent weeks and weeks attempting to achieve the impossible and create a spacious, socially distanced environment which will magically enable all of the children the Government have announced should be able to return to school to do so without risk to either them or their teachers, all within a building which is falling apart, not fit for purpose, and has been chronically underfunded for years...a process which has at some point reduced every single one of Mrs May's colleagues to tears...no, the schools are very much not "closed".

Meanwhile, Mrs May is working from home, simultaneously attempting to rewrite an entire year of lesson plans to be deliverable remotely and somehow keep a class of 6-7 year olds engaged for more than thirty seconds; set daily activities for her class to carry out; mark and provide feedback on said daily activities; call and email the parents of the children in her class; listen to and respond to their queries; keep half an ear out for the daily Government briefings to ensure they haven't suddenly flung their previously stated goal posts fifteen miles to the right of sanity, which, let's be honest, sounds like entirely the kind of thing that they might do; and, alongside her colleagues, work out what the fuck the plan for September is.

Whatever the opposite of "Netflix and chill" is, Mrs May thinks that she might be doing it.

Mrs May gets lots and lots of questions from the parents of the children in her class.

Vaseline's daddy wants to know how the fuck he explains what a fronted adverbial is to Vaseline, when he wouldn't recognise a fronted adverbial if it came up to him and punched him in the face.

Durex's mummy sends Mrs May a message to say that Durex has only been completing ten hours' work a day, that she has been standing over Durex to ensure the work is of a satisfactory standard, and that she has now sought to enrol Durex on an Open University course to keep his mind active, but that she still worries this may be insufficient learning for a six year old and could Mrs May please advise?

Brassica's carer emails Mrs May at breaking point, because no matter how many times they have told Brassica that four plus four equals eight, Brassica holds firm in their conviction that four plus four actually equals ten, and refuses to listen to any amount of reasoning or factual evidence as to why this might not be the case.

Salsa-verde's mummy calls Mrs May to say that she doesn't know how teachers do it and thinks that everyone working in education should immediately receive a pay increase to at least a million pounds per hour.

And then there are the mummies and daddies who don't contact Mrs May at all. The children Mrs May hears nothing about, however hard she tries to get in touch, and, even as she follows up through the appropriate safeguarding channels, her heart contracts at the thought of what these children might be facing, right now.

Mrs May works hours which are many times in excess of those she is paid to work, in order to respond to all of the questions and queries and requests that she gets through, trying to support her children as well as she possibly can, in these strange, strange times.

And actually, Mrs May doesn't mind doing so, however exhausted she might feel, because she understands that all of these questions are coming from parents who are afraid. Genuinely afraid, for what all of this might mean for their children, for their future.

Mrs May understands this; because Mrs May is afraid, too.

DrMadelineMaxwell · 12/06/2020 10:20

Excellent!

SallyLovesCheese · 12/06/2020 10:23

@Appuskidu

KS1 pupils learn about Florence Nightingale, but which famous teacher would we name our super-schools after?

Mr BronsonGrin

Grin
Piggywaspushed · 12/06/2020 10:26

I was just thinking about this lost learning myth.

We are now going to be setting loads of lessons right up until the end of July (perhaps especially those of us who have a timetable of live lessons) : no sports days, no trips, no activity weeks no four weeks of watching films no step up days/ transfer days.

Has no one realised we are adding learning to the poor things??

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 12/06/2020 10:31

Keep up with the reporting everyone. At least some of the comments have been deleted - particularly the one that I thought bordered on actual reporting outside of mumsnet.

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