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The Seventh Republic - the debate rages on but for some it is half term!

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 22/05/2020 11:33

You are most welcome to this school staff support thread to get us through stressful times. It is meant for school staff. Baiters and bashers can jog on somewhere else.

If you are NOT staff and just have a general education query please start your own thread.

You can play here only if you are a member of one the following groups-

-ABBA - anti bashers and baiting association
-SWAB - school workers against bashers
-SWOT - school workers opposing teacherbashers
-STARS - schoolworkers together against ranting + slurs

Other requirements for staff room entry include the ability to find the staff room, the ability to find a clean mug in the staff room, knowledge of the photocopier codes, and the ability to sniff out where the toffee vodka is hidden.

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Piggywaspushed · 29/05/2020 21:13

I don't know the R (but can guess ) I know there have been 42 confirmed cases in the last 3 days and cases per 100000 is 378 which outs my area 12th in the country...

Sky News has a Coronavirus tracker.

Piggywaspushed · 29/05/2020 21:15

Sorry 22nd, not 12th!

WhyNotMe40 · 29/05/2020 21:19

Wow yes I think I would be very concerned with that.
I really think we should have red/green areas like France if there are huge variations infection rates

Piggywaspushed · 29/05/2020 21:22

We'd be in a green area though as my borough is different from all its surroundings, puzzlingly.

RigaBalsam · 29/05/2020 21:48

Thanks piggy checked. Mine is at 360.Sad

WhyNotMe40 · 29/05/2020 21:49

Do you think you might have a few badly hit care homes?

MsAwesomeDragon · 29/05/2020 21:59

My area has cases per 100,000 of 441. Which puts us 9th in the country. I don't know what the R is though, and looking at our graph, we were hit much earlier than a lot of other non-London areas. I do know there haven't been any covid deaths reported in our local hospitals for a few days. But I also know a nurse in the intensive care, and last time I spoke to her (bumped into her on a walk last week) she said the ITU was getting busier again, having been quieter for a couple of weeks. What that means remains to be seen.

It doesn't seem like the best time to be opening things up though.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/05/2020 22:00

If I got on a bus on one side of the road it would take me to the centre of an area on that list of pre-peak authorities. If I got on the bus on the other side of the road it would take me to the centre of a peaked already authority. Would take about the same time with way.

However my council tax is paid to, and bins collected by a third authority whose centre I’ve never been to and can’t get to by bus.

Cuspers like myself make a bit of a nonsense of the idea these are discrete areas. We’d have children who fall into all three authorities above. We can make our own little covid melting pot hotspot I guess. Hopefully not

MsAwesomeDragon · 29/05/2020 22:07

Yes honey my sister lives in an area that has peaked already and has got off relatively lightly. But the next village along (where her kids go to school) is in the top 10 most badly hit areas, which is yet to peak. Luckily, her kids aren't the right age to be going back to school, and both her and their dad are at home and able to help with school work.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/05/2020 22:13

It’s just asking for massive spread in situations like that MsAwe. Madness and not a soul saying, will ye think of the poor wee children lol.

FrippEnos · 29/05/2020 22:17

WhyNotMe40

The problem with the R value is that without a proper track and trace system and transparency as to how those that have survived and those that have are recorded its all just made up guess work.

Danglingmod · 29/05/2020 22:17

I do think some of these figures are so infuriatingly imprecise when it comes to areas: in my local paper online tonight was a story of a particular "important" local person who's died of Covid but because he'd been transferred to an out of county hospital, his death counts in their figures. Made me realise that more rural areas may even be worse hit than the figures show if the seriously ill are being moved to bigger hospitals and thus distorting the stats.

MsAwesomeDragon · 29/05/2020 22:25

That's an excellent point dangling. Thinking about my sister again, her "local" hospital is in the really hard hit area, but quite a lot of those people may well be from the "got off lightly" area, because they don't have a hospital. It would explain why my parents area is relatively lightly hit too, their hospital doesn't have an intensive care unit, so any critical cases would be sent to one of the 3 hospitals in the nearest city, which looks really badly hit. If they are only recording which hospital they died in, then of course areas with no major hospital are going to look good in the death rates, while areas with major hospitals will look a lot worse.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/05/2020 22:26

Interesting point dangling.

The trouble with track and trace, well one of the troubles, is they’ll only contact people the person says they’ve been in prolonged closer than 2m contact with. That means they’d have to admit to rule breaking and tell on others eg Mary had a party on Friday and all the mammies were there and the kids. They are not going to do that. Or it’ll be well yes I’ve gotten the bus every day this week and it’s been crowded but no I don’t know the name and phone number of every person including school kids who was on there.

It’s not a track and trace symptom

WhyNotMe40 · 29/05/2020 22:28

Fripp I get that. I do not have confidence in the data at all - too little testing is just the surface. Why weren't they using lockdown to start the contact tracing for example? Why aren't we tracking whether people are recovered? Why can't we know whether new infections are care home related or general community?
I find it so frustrating

TheHoneyBadger · 29/05/2020 22:33

Meant to say system not symptom. Even if the app comes out you can’t force everyone to have one and surely at Mary’s party they’d have left their phones at home or in the car or whatever to avoid evidencing their rule breaking?

And if one of the contacts they tell to isolate has kids in school will they know that and even if they did they wouldn’t know which school they attend and inform the school. It would just be assumed the parent would keep the child at home.

Sorry not having a very can do mentality am I?

TheHoneyBadger · 29/05/2020 22:38

It would be slightly encouraging if our local track and trace people were at least going to publish their figures daily. Obviously no names but eg.two new cases confirmed positive in the community area a, 14 contacts including one user of school b have been asked to isolate.

I doubt we’ll be able to have the data like that and make risk assessments accordingly.

FrippEnos · 29/05/2020 22:44

TheHoneyBadger

Sorry not having a very can do mentality am I?

You have nothing to apologise for.

Nobody should be forced to have a "can do" attitude. Those that are pushing this are just shutting down discussion and being arseholes.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/05/2020 22:58

I know drip but thanks. I feel frustrated by the infantilisation of “the public”. They do not address us as adults let alone as having any intelligence. Robotic repetition of, the right thing, at the right time. I find rishi particularly insulting with his slow, mantra repeating condescending speeches.

Sheffield’s statement applies anywhere I think. Very rational and sensible decision imo.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/05/2020 22:59

Fripp not drip. Autocorrect doesn’t like me tonight

IHateCoronavirus · 29/05/2020 23:34

My areas 7th with 445.3 cases Shock

Piggywaspushed · 30/05/2020 06:05

Just seen your genius fairytale on another thread ihate! Copy it across here : it's brilliant!

IHateCoronavirus · 30/05/2020 06:19

My dear Piggy I thought a fairytale would be more compelling for a certain few. After all they believed the gov’s tall tales. Wink

I shall see if I can track it down...

IHateCoronavirus · 30/05/2020 06:24

From another thread...

Once upon a time there was a school. An ordinary little school, in an ordinary town. It was run by ordinary teachers, and attended by ordinary little children who came from from ordinary families like yours and mine.

This schools’ name was St Boris of the Unattainable Pledge C of E Primary School.

Like many schools up and down the land St Boris’ was a happy place where staff and children lived within ‘the values’ and fostered a love of learning despite a crippling budget that saw off three TA’s and the part time teacher Mrs Fothersque, and cuts which sadly put an end to the heavily subsidised school trips.

However, these were no ordinary times. The land had fallen into darkness. A virus was sweeping the kingdom and causing men, women and children to become ill. Sometimes people would get ill and then get better. Sometimes they would scarcely know they had been infected at all. And sometimes, just sometimes the people of the land would become so ill that they would die. The people wept. Something had to be done.

To protect the kingdom, the rulers of the land decided to make new rules! “Hoorah!” shouted the people, “A little too late” heckled a few.

The nurses nursed like never before. The police policed, the shopkeepers kept shop, teachers found new ways to teach, the bus/train/lorry drivers drove and thousands upon thousands of people made little offices in their homes and worked in ways beyond their imagination.

Everyone agreed that the people were doing their best. They clapped and cheered and painted rainbows and for the smallest of moments, despite the sorrow and the pain the kingdom lived as one.

During this time, the rulers of the land decreed that some of the children of St Boris of the Unattainable Pledge C of E Primary School had to stay at home. Others could go to school. These were the Key Worker Children, loved by all for the special work their parents did. They played and read stories and painted rainbows and despite the sorrow and the pain the school worked as one.

The weeks went by and discontent began to set in. The less honest of the kingdom began to live outside ‘the values’ and those whose hearts were true felt something had to be done.

One dark day it happened. The most powerful man in the land, advisor and trusted aid, was also found to be dishonest and untrue. “No!” cried the people, but the leaders just shrugged. “Stop” bayed the angry mob but again the leaders would not listen. The crowed grew angrier still. Then, just as heads were about to roll. The ruler of the land realised his cunning plan.

“All schools shall open forthwith, and because I know all about schools having been a child once myself, I declare the following shall be put in place...”
And as if by magic he captivated the people with carefully woven words.

Meanwhile at St Boris of the Unattainable Pledge C of E Primary School the staff had listened and were getting worried. They missed their children dearly but they had done the maths (school staff are generally good at maths) and the promises made to the people just didn’t add up.

The rooms in their ordinary little school were too small to fit in 15 children at 2m intervals, and too few to fit in groups of less. The ordinary staff of the ordinary little school were also too few with the budget being so poor, and what staff they had were not equally qualified enough to satisfy the most disconcerted amongst their set. What were they to do?

The magical fairies that once granted the wishes of the good people of St Boris’ No longer existed. Well not since the EYFS unit was built to accommodate the 30 hours “free” childcare fiasco. So, only real solutions from ordinary non-magic folk would do.

“We know!” The staff cheered. “We will live by ‘the values’ and be honest. We will share our concerns and our struggles and just as before, when we clapped and cheered and painted rainbows we will work as a community to do the best for our children despite the sorry and the pain.

Oh how wrong they were! Times were strange. “No, I don’t want a place for my child!” meant “Yes, yes I do!” The people remained fixated on the carefully woven (yet ill thought out) words of the mighty puppet leader. Trust grew weak, people spied on their neighbours with a less than neighbourly attitude (and no concept of flexible working hours), brows became furrowed and all in the land, but the puppet and his master, sighed.

Any easier to understand?

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