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I really think I'm done now.

79 replies

Shamazing · 13/02/2020 22:43

Horrendously behaved children with no manners. Zero support from SLT who seem to be scared of both the pupils and their parents. Staff morale is so low, I can't remember the last time I went into the staffroom and someone wasn't in tears. Oh and this is in a 'nice' area. Just emotionally exhausted with it all, so it looks like this is it for me.

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Bluewavescrashing · 15/02/2020 18:24

Yes, it's a shame when young teens are incapable of taking turns in conversation and being respectful. These skills are taught in early years for God's sake!

FlamingoAndJohn · 15/02/2020 18:34

Yes, it's a shame when young teens are incapable of taking turns in conversation and being respectful. These skills are taught in early years for God's sake!

The problem is that so many children are being stuck in front of a tablet at an early age and rarely engage in conversation. How many times have you seen a child at a restaurant table with a tablet while the adults talk? Even if they were colouring they would still be listening to the general ‘give and take’ of a conversation. With a tablet they are completely disengaged from the adult world.

Bluewavescrashing · 15/02/2020 18:42

True. I think now we are starting to see the effects of tablets on kids as they grow up and it's very worrying.

I know parents often just want a meal in peace, and it's so easy to put a screen in front of children and they become compliant zombies. But I think it can have a lasting effect if children are parked in front of a screen too often. Toddlers in pushchairs too- they could be singing and chatting to their parent or carer instead.

Corneliawildthing · 15/02/2020 19:32

I have 6 year olds who when asked what they did at the weekend say "Played Fortnite or Minecraft". Society will reap what parents have sown in the future. Sadly it's much easier nowadays to park your kids if front of a screen rather than think of activities to do with them. And then it will be the schools' fault when they have no idea how to interact or converse with real people in the future.

GreenTulips · 15/02/2020 19:36

That and the instant gratification.

I’ve noticed this with teens, not prepared to work for a longer term goals

AllPointsNorth · 15/02/2020 19:44

thecatfromjapan what you said reminds me of a Brazilian Archbishop in the 60s.
Camara said
‘When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist’

Most people don’t want to address the underlying issues, because it would cost them money, or time, or popularity or all three.
Easier to insist on Magic Teacher, or excuses such as They must be bored/provoked/it’s your fault. If you were any good as a teacher, it wouldn’t be a problem’

Bluewavescrashing · 15/02/2020 19:44

Perhaps that stems from gaming in some cases too- the instant gratification. Dopamine release by scoring points, moving up a level etc.

Gaming addiction and inappropriate content (eg Call of Duty), plus children watching graphic horror and porn unsupervised, plus tiktok and Snapchat etc. What a hellish mix.

My DCs are 9 and 6. Admittedly they do watch quite a bit of TV, all age appropriate though and not in their rooms. Neither have a phone or tablet. DD age 9 plays Sims and Roller-coaster Tycoon and we puld play for hours if I let her. She has one hour limits and everything is switched off at 6pm. Today we've made bath bombs, gone to gym club, eaten meals together, normal family stuff. We're not perfect and I'm shattered now after three days of solo parenting as DH has been away so DD is playing lego in her room whilst I mooch on my phone. But we do talk to each other and I think that's what's lacking in some families. The isolation from technology is sad and damaging.

AllPointsNorth · 15/02/2020 19:55

Thinking about it, a lot of the teens and older that I know who are good at sticking with things rather than giving up all have hobbies that require those skills. Crafters, makers, allotment holders...activities that aren’t junk food with an instant reward, or disposable, needing time and patience and resilience when something goes wrong.

Danglingmod · 15/02/2020 20:16

There is definitely a massive correlation between students who do hobbies out of school: cadets/scouts/dance/theatre/any kind of sports and those who know how to hold a conversation, stick at something, show interest in the wider world.

So many of our lower secondary pupils spend their entire lives on their phones/tablets/consoles and don't see the point of anything else at all.

I knew this was going to be a huge issue 15 years ago.

Mlou32 · 15/02/2020 20:23

Sadly poor behaviour is pervasive in society. You'll experience it in pretty much every line of work you go into. I'm a nurse and rude abusive people are a daily occurrence for me. Abuse, threats of violence, rude demands, entitled people....it is never ending.

I worked in customer service while I was a student and it was the same there. I have friends who are fellow nurses, doctors, receptionists, social workers, teachers, customer service advisors.. they all say the same thing. Bad behaviour and abusive people are everywhere and it is getting worse.

Corneliawildthing · 15/02/2020 20:26

What's Magic Teacher? Confused

thehorseandhisboy · 15/02/2020 20:39

Gaming culture has a massive impact on teens. The inability to have a face to face conversation or speak properly. The inability to understand that the world isn't like a game - you don't just hit, swear at, insult someone and move on to the next thing like it hasn't happened. The inability to understand that if something isn't going your way, you can't just switch games. Difficulty understanding that trying to beat everyone else or get one over on them isn't a helpful way to conduct yourself in the real world.

Oh, and you're probably not going to be a millionaire YouTuber, so you might as well do your GCSE homework (except you can't because you weren't listening in the lesson, don't have a clue what it's about, and have no skills whatsoever to try to work it out for yourself).

It's not their fault. They didn't create this world. But they're the ones who are going to have to navigate, heaven forbid.

likeafishneedsabike · 15/02/2020 21:25

Funny how the instant gratification technology has also rendered a lot of kids unable to watch and follow the thread of a TV programme eg Horrible Histories. Back when I trained, if you put on a DVD version of a studied book or something there would be silence and they’d be glued. Now I have to shut them with threats and even when they’ve shut up I have to keep reminding kids to actually watch. You know, with your eyes. Who knew that engaging with TV and catching the gist of a plot/joke was actually a skill??

Bluewavescrashing · 15/02/2020 21:40

Concentration levels are very poor in a lot of cases.

leccybill · 15/02/2020 21:46

@likeafishneedsabike Totally agree, I used to use lots of video clips in my teaching over the last ten years. These days, they can't hold their concentration in silence even for a 5 minute video. Some can't even look at the screen and it's 90 inches wide. I've stopped using clips, and pictures. Just make them read stuff in silence now. It's the only way.

eggofmantumbi · 16/02/2020 08:55

It's funny I was talking to my husband about this yesterday. I find it really difficult to come to terms with how difficult it is for students to watch something on screen. And I teach mfl so God forbid I ask them to watch and read subtitles at the same time!

ASureSign · 16/02/2020 10:08

I'm not a teacher but find this thread really interesting. I would find it really hard to deal with challenging kids. I think I'd want to swot them and I guess that would be frowned on 😂😂😂

We recently moved to the UK from South Africa and all four of my kids were astounded at the lack of respect that kids have for their teachers. They go to a really nice comprehensive in a nice area too. There were problems in their schools in SA - bullying etc but the basic behaviour was better. I don't know why.

Gwynfluff · 16/02/2020 10:15

Not a teacher but work in HE in support. Schools need good pastoral support within the school and it needs to be funded so it properly backs up and relieves teaching staff. Massive respect for what you are all doing everyday. Even in schools with good pastoral support the back up if usually lower paid who do admin and monitoring and then refer it to teaching staff to deal with. You actually need higher paid people who provide the support. Unis have got this after the recent issue with student suicides and more is being invested so academics are properly backed up.

nicenewdusters · 16/02/2020 13:39

I haven't been working in a school for that long, but reading this thread something just struck me. Several posters have written about pupils not being able to concentrate on a 5 minute video, or hold a conversation where you take turns. This has already become so commonplace I didn't even think to mention it. My bar is set so low for what constitutes interest or curiosity, that just being able to listen for a few seconds now seems like a major skill on the pupil's part.

CrocodileFrock · 16/02/2020 13:49

Behaviour in our school has deteriorated to a huge extent in recent years.

In the last half-term alone I've had the following:

-"I'm going to fucking kill you, you fucking bitch.Come any closer and I'll fucking hurt you!" (from a 7yr-old)

  • A stool thrown at my head. (The child was frustrated because they were trying to break a window with it but the glass was too strong).
  • Evacuating the rest of the class when 2 children were throwing chairs at each other and tipping over the tables to get to each other.

It's got to the point where I consider it to have been a good day if I haven't had any death threats or objects thrown at me. This is in a fairly normal mainstream primary with a good Ofsted rating.

One parent complained because their child had a bruise on their leg. When told that it had happened when the child had been trying to throw a chair at a member of staff but had dropped it on themselves instead, the parent just shrugged.

Concentration levels are at an all-time low. I have children yawning their way through the school day because they were up until all hours playing Fortnite and Roblox.

Staff morale is understandably low, and having someone go home early in tears is a regular occurrence.

Shamazing · 16/02/2020 14:20

@CrocodileFrock I can't remember the last day I walked into our staffroom and someone wasn't in tears. It really shouldn't be like that should it. 😥

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noblegiraffe · 16/02/2020 18:14

I think behaviour is the unspoken issue nationally in schools. Teachers are really struggling with it but SLT, LEAs and nationally it is not publicly recognised for the issue it is.

If you have a look on MN for threads about behaviour in schools, you are far more likely to see complaints about sanctions issued than you are complaints about how learning has effectively stopped because of poor behaviour in the classroom.

In the news it’s various people competing for the title of ‘Britain’s strictest head’ and poor little Jonny being sent home for having too cool a haircut or the wrong shoes.

At the same time the narrative from the DfE is that more children are in good or outstanding schools than ever.

And yet teachers are leaving in droves and behaviour is cited as one of the main reasons (along with workload).

Where are the unions? The main union, the NEU is spending its time lending its weight to ban the booths campaigns and arguing that children shouldn’t be permanently excluded from schools. It favours a Paul Dix style of restorative justice that places the blame for poor behaviour in classrooms and the expectation for solving it on the individual teacher and washes SLT’s hands of any responsibility.

The NASUWT have raised the issue of behaviour and restorative approaches in their magazine but god knows if they’re doing anything about it on a national scale.

Ofsted don’t seem to be picking up on it and also criticise schools who expel pupils.

The public narrative is that behaviour is no longer an issue in schools. It’s so pervasive that teachers are reluctant to speak up about their own issues because the tendency is to blame the teacher and ask them what they’re doing about it.

Piggywaspushed · 16/02/2020 19:01

Spot on noble, spot on.

thecatfromjapan · 16/02/2020 19:40

Well, I nodded along with all of that, NobleGiraffe.

Shamazing · 16/02/2020 20:48

@noblegiraffe 100% agree.

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