Teaching these days! Grrr

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So fed up of not being able to shout at a child in peace (as it were) without a) getting a load of posturing and lip and b) their parents complaining (about the teacher, obviously).

I used to love a good shout and it used to be rather effective.

That is all.

I wonder whether footballers complain to their mum when they get the hairdryer treatment these days??

Probably.

As soon as you start shouting, they stop listening. It demonstrates that they've won and they got to you. Never shout.

Well, I rather think if one can drown out their irritating backchat they may not be the ones who won.

I knew when I posted this that I would get some free CPD.

.. and actually sometimes they NEED to know they have pressed your buttons. Because they often refuse to accept that they have done anything at all that is infuriating, exasperating or downright bloody obnoxious.

Ineffective shouting is when you've run out of options/lost your rag and no one listens to it.

I think the OP was talking about a calculated bollocking that can silence a room, which definitely has its place (and on the few occasions I have achieved it is very satisfying )

I was cake. It was heard some distance away, apparently.

I prefer the stern tone of voice and slightly raised for a bollocking. I rarely shout as there’s really nowhere else to go once you’ve bawled at them.

I agree a hairdryer yell every now and then is needed but I don’t shout unless I absolutely have to as the shock of it wears off.

Oh yes, me neither. First time in ages.

I haven't taught since having children but before kids I used to like giving a good bollocking but now that I have children of my own I cringe at my former self and hope I'd never feel the need to do it again (if I ever go back into teaching) It was effective though. Guess I've gone soft.

How old are your own DDs ? Out of interest, do you never shout at them? Will happily swap them for DS1!!

I do agree having your own DCs puts a different perspective n teaching children. I possibly do shout less.

DCs not DDs ... sorry! not assuming! A typo!

I was thoroughly enjoying myself with a good rant today when I lost my place [grrr] and had to pretend to be speechless with rage.

My personal preference is for the ice whisper of doom, but you do need to change tactics every now and again.

God, how could you even consider damaging their self-esteem like this? You should listen to their objections about your conduct, engage in some serious self-reflection and work towards a more harmonious classroom where all opinions are considered valuable.

Unless it was a Y9. Or Y8 are a bit uppity these days. Probably allowable for Y10 and 11 too. And some really annoying Y7s.

A 'guru' (self styled) once informed me that a teacher ought to wait for all the chat in the class to die away naturally before beginning to speak, as it was disrespectful to pupils to interrupt their conversations.

It was a real exercise in restraint not to interrupt him, let me tell you.

I have 3 aged 4 and under so I do have my moments obviously but I always feel so guilty and try not to. I'd hate to think of anyone else shouting at them - I'm sure that will all change when they are miserable and argumentative teenagers though!! I do regularly use my teacher voice and stare though 😁

You do know that adolescent brains switch off when the shouting starts? They won't be listening to a word. But it makes you feel satisfied so that's ok I suppose

@PurplePhotoFrame no teaching would be done where I work then. The chat never stops,how do their mouths not get sore and throats dry?

Awesome great tyop. I did shout today. Not in anger, I had called the student's name twice and then I shouted it. He is a lovely student in a great class. My shout made them all stop and then gasp. I now use the phrase to other sorts of students 'I am not shouting, I am being assertive.'

Yes, I wasn't shouting . I was talking more loudly.

It is often noted that I am the only member of staff that doesn't need a mic in our huge hall so I can definitely project!!

We only get them from year 9 noble : it's somewhat draining....

The child was definitely listened as all the things I shoutedsaid have been repeated back verbatim (well, rather selectively actually )

Yes, that was my thoughts as well Rebel.

I have a particularly horrendous class who just seem to SCREECH all the time. I think they've acclimatised and performed some sort of mass deafening. They genuinely don't realise how incredibly noisy they are.

This is me being generous, mainly because I didn't see them today. On other days I just accuse them of never shutting up

Screeching is the new normal volume.

I don't really understand this "shouting has no effect / they just switch off" idea. If shouting is so ineffective, why do the armed forces do so much of it? Many of their new recruits have the same 'adolescent brain', yet a big man in uniform bawling at them seems to work pretty damn well...

All our trainees are told never to raise their voices. Trouble is they have no other strategies either and the kids walk all over them.