Schools advertising for 'unqualified teachers'

[roamingespadrille]

This is what a number of our local schools are advertising. Very low pay attached to it. Job description is a full teaching job.

I think it is called missing the point completely.

at least you are thinking.

are you actually saying that you still go along with all that growth mindset crap?

user1497480444

I'm saying that I regularly have to change a child's mind from "I can't do that" to "I can't do that yet" to "I can do that" .

Call it what you like, but a piece of 'informed research' can do a lot to encourage a child and I will use whatever useful "bollox" helps me to do that.

Growth mindsets are ignorant and damaging. It was bad enough to foist them onto children when they were an accepted theory, but now they have been totally debunked, not only ridiculous, but cruel, and ofsted would possibly fail you.

Just had ofsted and they were fine.

ofsted no longer assess individual teachers or how they teach, and don't give feedback unless specifically requested by teachers on a 20 minute + observation.

But I am sure that you know that.

They might well be fine, they are very rarely accurate, but if your school has a policy of promoting "growth mindsets" and they have said you were "fine" then you were very very lucky indeed. They should have taken action against you, but then they rarely do anything useful or consistant

Ofsted want to see that children are making progress, they support using a range different strategies to do so.

We have a growth mindsets policy. We were Ofsteded this year and got an Outstanding judgement and glowing report. I'm not really a fan of some of the ways growth mindset is implemented in schools but in and of itself encouraging kids not to give up on stuff is hardly bad pedagogy. This thread has got very odd.

'The law is the Education (Specified Work) (England) Regulations 2012 . It allows maintained schools to use unqualified teachers if they are 'Instructors with special qualifications or experience' - defined as "a person appointed ... to give instruction in any art or skill or in any subject or group of subjects (including any form of vocational training), where special qualifications or experience or both are required in order to carry out the specified work'
Seems some maintained (rather than academies) have unqualified teachers but these will be on training programmes, such as Teach Direct etc. Illegal to have them teaching otherwise.
And even if it was legal I wouldn't want unqualified teachers practising on my child with no support.

We have a growth mindsets policy

absolutely dreadful.

We were Ofsteded this year and got an Outstanding judgement and glowing report.

there you go, shows how totally meaningless ofsted judgments can be. The last time I was in a school that got "outstanding" it was an equally bad school.

😂 Hilarious. We got Outstanding because our kids make better progress than students in more than 98% of schools.
What we needed was a failed TA who has never visited to pass judgement instead. You should let Ofsted know that they can be disbanded and you can hand out judgements on school quality via mumsnet. The government would love it, it will save millions.

what do you find hilarious about ofsted letting slip a system which is misguided and damaging at best, and truly oppressive and obsessive almost to the point of cultishness at worst?

It is totally obsolete, and so it should be.

Shame on you if you are still propagating this crap

A friend has mine has got a cover teaching job in her school. She has 2 years TA experience and a degree. But she's not a teacher. However, I would love her to teach my kids! She's late 40's, has a wealth of life experience, is clever, intuitive and passionate.
She wants to qualify and I hope get school can somehow help her, she's a real asset. So there are some pluses.
My kids go to an inner city primary academy and the school really struggles with recruitment as the area does not have many redeeming features. The school does really well considering.

Whataway - either Teach Direct or specialists like instrumental teachers. I think everyone accepts that you need specialist skills to teach the trombone (though ideally in my world at least they would also be qualified teachers)

Oppressive?
Tell me more about this oppression. I must admit I was a bit shocked when the SLT suggested that we start water boarding the kids when they said the word "can't" but they really are much more positive since we started doing it. Strapping them down to the chairs when we play positive videos to them in assembly has really helped too. Don't knock it until you've tried it!

It's odd that a poster who asserts that there's no right or wrong way to teach on one post could be so vehemently anti-growth mindsets as bullshit in another.

Noble- but then the only consistent then about user's posts is the inconsistency.

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That was a fast retreat on ofsted.

I'm interested in the comment up thread
"ITT providers don't seem interested in transferable skills"
Phineyj that very far removed from my experience. I applied to three SCITTs all were very enthusiastic about the transferable skills I would bring to teaching, these include extensive CP training/experience, managing teams of up to 20, a work specific teaching qualification, and regularly teaching/lecturing/assessing trainees, managing disruptive violent or aggressive adults and children and mental health in children.
I've also been told (in a world filled with jargon and abbreviations so rather confusing initially) that you don't need a PGCE to get the QTS. Many SCITTs offer a years training and you come out with the QTS but the PGCE is optional the actual on the job training/lectures are identical, the PGCE is just an extra layer. Apparently it's the QTS you need not the PGCE.

That was a fast retreat on ofsted.

not in the slightest, if you read what I said.

ofsted would possibly fail you.

because of course they should absolutely shoot you out of the water, but they don't exactly have form for consistency and standards, so it doesn't surprised me particularly much that they didn't notice.

"Growth mindsets" are an example of the disadvantages of too much training and too little experience. Conceived in cloud cuckoo land, repeated amongst the ignorant and inexperienced, it some how acquired a sheen of orthodoxy, imposed forcefully onto more experienced staff who could see it for the fantasy that it was, and quickly demonstrated to be utterly invalid. But not before damage was done. Its shocking that anyone is still using it. I've suffered and survived such tosh as brain gym, learning styles, mindfullness, etc, but nothing quite so harmful as the fascist "growth mindsets"

Apparently it's the QTS you need not the PGCE.

Yes, if you only ever want to teach in England.

user1497480444

As you like, the vast majority of your posts have been inconsistent.

Like I've said before. I have QTS and no PGCE. I can only teach in England. Which suites me but the Scottish woman on my course was rather upset!