Has anyone ever managed to negotiate a full-time TLR on a part-time salary?

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Secondary. Tlr2b, I think it is - lowest. I work 0.6, I receive 0.6 tlr. I do all the work, the responsibility for all falls to me. Yet apparently it would be unfair on ft teachers. I'm not sure how.

I've challenged ht publicly twice on this; he isn't prepared to budge.

Has anyone managed to negotiate this? How?

What is the job? We have part time tlrs, but in departments where the work is part time, eg psychology, or where it is one of a team of tlrs in the same area.

Teachers pay and conditions document section 37.1 says TLRs should be pro rata for part timers.

Oops. Misread the question. Yes, pro rata is standard.

I've never really thought about this but can see your point. It's not like you're going to write 0.6 of a SEF or only analyse 0.6 of the exam results is it?

I don't think you'll get full time pay though.

Could you maybe approach it differently and ask what you don't need to do? Eg if SEF gets updated half termly, could you do it termly?

This was a few years ago, but in my last job I was HoD of two departments, history and RE and when I returned from maternity on a 0.6 my head agreed to pay me full whack for my responsibility points after I told him that if they didn't I'd only do 0.6 of the work....,,not in a nasty way , but I genuinely didn't see why they could only pay me 0.6 of the points when I was doing the same job as I'd done when I was full time.

The bursar wasn't happy, I lost count of the times she pointed out how unusual it was, but the Head agreed that I'd still be doing the same work as HoD and so paid me the full rate for it.

For me, going to three days a week meant I only lost one class so I was pretty much doing my usual full time teaching quota anyway.

OP, your thread has made me think. I am on an 0.8 and am subject leader for a sixth form subject, so get a TLR for that - pro rata, but now I think about it, obviously I am doing 100% of the work as I am the only subject teacher. pimms, I shall be bearing your argument in mind in any future pay negotiations!

Not me but a colleague. 0.6 but f/t TLR. She is Phase Leader for KS2.

Me.

I do work on my day off though often and answer email etc. Attend meetings if I can

We have 4 PT HOD's at our school, but all get full TLR as you're doing the full HOD job...

Hi
I know this is an old thread, but I'm wondering the same question.
I've been HoD on 0.66 for almost 2 years now. It is a large core subject department with large A-level numbers.
It is an 'acting' post (not sure how long you 'act' for but that is for another day) while the original post holder acts in an equivalent role.
So far as I can see, I'm doing the same work as the original postholder but saving them 1/3 of a TLR. Well, at least 95% of the job (close colleague reckons minimum of 98% - I don't start first thing each day so if anyone is absent (v. v. rare) she sorts out cover if needed (also v. v. rare)).
Did anyone successfully challenge this?
Union websites suggest paying the part-timer for a great proportion such that the total pay is for the original teaching contract + full TLR.
I'd be happy if they would accept they are getting a good deal and afford me a little flexibility elsewhere in return, but that isn't looking likely.
Any thoughts appreciated.

I'm impressed you have all found p/t in secondary as I'm really struggling. No easy answers sorry. Depends on how reasonable they are.
Yes you're doing the job but they need to ask someone else in your days off unless you're always available and that's not really a day off!

I work 0.8 but get a 100% TLR as all of the work is done at home anyway. They intitially pro-rated it until I asked which bit I wasn't going to be doing that the previous post-holder had.

May be about to take on a HOD TLR. Will need to negotiate delegating 0.2 of the role as they'll only pay 0.8 of the TLR. Although my 'day off' is usually a full day of work!

Does mean I have some time at weekend though.

Thanks! I do as much as the previous post holder. On the rare occasion that something can't wait until the following day they will call me at home anyway. My team know I will answer emails or calls on my landline.

Like you fourarms I spend most of my day off working!!

I have challenged them to find what part of the job I'm not doing. They just turn round and say that I'm not in all the time, but never actually come up with find anything that isn't being done! If anything I would say I am more available to my department than if I was full time. I have a late start each day but come in straight from the school run so am there to sort problems out every day where a full timer would be teaching.

So much HoD work can be done (and is!) from home anyway.

Kathsmum - I moved schools when I became part-time. I applied for everything going (full and part-time) but sent a covering letter saying (politely and with reasons) that I was only interested in a part-time role.
Our place rarely advertise for part-timers thinking no-one will apply, but often a part-timer would suit us better.

Thanks for your replies.

Write a job description of everything you do as HOD. Then ask SLT since you are being paid 0.6, which 40% aren't you going to do.

They won't be able to agree or if they do, it lightens your workload.