Ham pr disasters 60! ….they are mysterious and murky….mendacious and moany …..the markle family ….

[jeffgoldblum]

Well apparently this story isn’t going anywhere!

I was pondering on the last thread whether Meghan was in fact given the original letter. Stranger things have happened.

Fortunately, the IOPC investigation will uncover key details like this.

Edited to make some kind of sense.

Good point @smilesy.

VIctoria Ward is part of the Sussex PR WhatsApp group, @TearsAtTannhauserGate.

Oh yes! They're having a field day over at celebitchy as usual.

The Met reported to the Office of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Revoke the NDA's of the employees of that Office. Ask them whether they knew and what actions they were instructed to take.

Going to re post my post from five threads back because it's still relevant

Who reports something to the police* and then thinks 'haven't heard from them for months.. years.. Shall I contact them and ask how it's progressing? No, no need, I'll just assume it's all being dealt with and anyone who is vulnerable is being protected. No need to ask any more questions'.

*or is told it will be investigated, as per Meghan's statement

Also what did Meghan's siblings know at that time? Were they informed by their mother who wrote to Meghan? Did Meghan contact them? (via letter a la Markle style) ...
No point in trying to point fingers at the palce when TM has three children, he is their responsibility first & foremost

Very interesting @smilesy - can I build on this? The Met's reputation for being at worst corrupt and sleazy, and at best incompetent, has probably not escaped Meghan. Perhaps the claim that the letter was shared in summer 2018 had a further potential benefit: to test if the Met would say they had no record or had lost their record of handling the letter or the letter itself. If they found something, the discrepancy in dates can be explained as a simple error, due to stress. But if they say they have nothing, then it leaves the field clear for whoever did see the letter, and who has said they have a copy, to tell whatever story they like about who wrote it, what it said, what happened next and so on.

Didnt TMjr ship the boxes from Mexico to the Philippines and store them for 2 years? Surely it's illegal to import material like this and if you store it in your house when you become the owner of it? Isn't TMjr implicating himself.

True. Mail found a porn stash and shopped TM to FBI.

As far as this 'joint office' stuff, even if the letter was sent to a 'joint office' that doesn't necessarily follow that each letter was seen by both parties. It's quite possible that they even had separate staff handling their mail. So a letter comes addressed to the DssOS, gets routed to the staff handling Sussex mail and from there to MM herself. It's quite probable that the staff of the D&DoC never even saw the letter.

Musing on another subject, this has gotten so bad and so messy that I'm even more sure that the midnight flit was to get out of California before the shit hit the fan and hopefully under the 'protective wing' of the RF. MM (at least) knew that if she remained in CA she might very well be requested by the police or FBI for an interview and subject to a subpoena if she refused IF allegations were made that involved crimes in CA. And she would NOT have wanted that, if only for the publicity it would garner. There's always someone hanging around the PD and FBI offices looking for a scoop, and often someone inside who is willing to provide one. TBF as far as I know, there have been no allegations of crimes committed here by TMSr.

And I think that was the real reason for the meeting in July with KC. I doubt very much that KC was given the actual reason for wanting back in, but I do believe that the private conversation between KC and H was probably H begging and KC telling him politely to lie down on the bed HaM had made. And didn't M say she felt 'disrespected' not to be included in the private conversation? I'm sure the correct word is 'panicked' when she didn't get what she wanted, the inclusion in the RF and the PR machine that work for them

I must say I really don't understand whats going on. But I think there's blackmail involved.

As Ive said before I think the W&C part is irrelevant. What is relevant is the timing and context around the relentless pressure on the AMW issue in the decade before but especially in 2018/19 - which Sam Cohen as PS to QE2 was likely very attuned to and she was now H&M ‘s PS - my speculation is that she forwarded to the top dogs on a need to know basis. W&C not really relevant at that time as too far down the food chain in 2019.

I think there's some triple dealing as well.

Probably been mentioned before, but google images for rubbish pigeon nests. They pretty much sum up anything re HaM

Well, as someone who has had info to report, once the police were informed I didn't think I should follow up.

Ok, it wasn't a close relative. But if the authorities know (and if they were the ones notifying M then they knew) then they are the ones responsible for deciding further action.

I think M (&H) are self serving and self obsessed. I don't think the time line is clear, but from what I have read she dumped TMS before she knew about the allegations, just as she has dumped other people when they are no longer useful.

Bit if the Met informed her of the allegations, I think she should have been able to assume they would deal with whatever should be done taking those allegations forward.

Sorry , life got in the way ….i was asked ( probably jokingly about my opinion) …I’m not one to type long answers as I’m on an iPhone but I feel the need to do so as I’m not entirely happy with the way the conversation is headed…..I don’t blame Meghan for cutting off her father or for any truth there is in these allegations….however, this is a personal matter that is nothing to do with the U.K. or the royal family ( especially wac) …why is this suddenly being pushed? …Thomas markle snr hasn’t visited the U.K. , hasn’t met the royal family, his alleged crimes were not done anywhere near the U.K. , yet despite the fact that Meghan herself has reported that she was the one informed and given this letter…we have this narrative about the rf covering up things ! , why? , why would they bother? , the markles behaviour is nothing to do with them , Meghan deliberately kept her family separated from them but suddenly they are now in the frame!
I would also point out that this isn’t coming from the usual republican voices either!
in short…as the rf them self has pointed out ….this is a personal matter for the Sussex’s!

Didn't the splitting of the offices start in November 2018? The Sussexes were already recruiting their own staff.

Are you saying HAM are not capable of running their own office? Why would the Cambridges get involved in a Markle family matter? Would HAM be responsible for a Middleton family issue? Surely it was for HAM to set their own policies and agenda.

The 10th July 2026 is certainly starting to seem like a spookily, coincidentally important date.

Tom Markle Jnr calls the FBI hotline about the Markle trove of evidence; and Harry, Meg, A and L meet the King at Highgrove for a private chat about something, that is followed shortly afterwards by a surprise return to England.

Yes indeed, @jeffgoldblum. It's most peculiar how it's being manipulated.
It's a Markle issue. That is all.

No much worse…she’s blaming the much maligned and bullied staff! , those poor buggers who get paid peanuts!

Just having a kind of “Sliding Doors” musing. I wonder what these threads, and the press commentary, would have been like if M hadn’t released that quick-fire statement a week ago. Would we have even known about the existence of this letter that’s thrown out so many different tendrils of comment and observation? That one little paragraph has ensured everything has gone from a snowball to an avalanche very quickly.

Also, as each little incident via HaM goes out in the media (am talking over the last few years), the less they get defended - on here, at least. The support is nowhere near as vocal as it was when I was last dipping into the board (release of Spare). And it’s dropped even more since their reverse ferret flight. It must be exponentially hard to try to find coherent ways of defending everything. On the flip side, I think we’ll see efforts put into threads aimed at the WRF instead - easier to find ways to dig at them rather than form good arguments to defend HaM.

I can understand that POV in regards to someone who wasn't a close relative - but c'mon - your Father??? When you're a self declared Daddy's Girl?

Nope, not buying it. Especially when you're a high profile member of the most famous Royal Family in the world who has just thrown a very public grenade into said Family and the world's media are constantly circling for stories.

Nope, no sale here.

You may be estranged from your dad, and decide to keep your own kids away from him, so strongly are you convinced he's a bad'un . But e.g. niece Noelle Rasmussen is left to find out fot herself.

Thank you @jeffgoldblum for the new thread, I have just caught up with the majority of the last and the 4 pages of this one.

A question I have, probably a rhetorical one for everyone here, unless someone works for the Met or RF - how many letters does the Met or RF receive per year with accusations or threats against the RF. Of that total, how many lead to investigations, and finally how many of the total are sent to the RF, meaning the offices of whichever family member the letter was aimed at?

My point being, all the conjecture about the letter sent in 2019 to the Met, and sent to the office of DDOS, maybe just one of many. It has only been highlighted due to the statement by TMjnr, leading to Meghan advising there was a letter in 2018.

Let’s all be realistic and frank here for a moment! , whatever you may think regarding the treatment of the Andrew case, there is absolutely no comparison here!! , if the rf where inclined to use smoke and mirrors then throwing the markles to the wolves would have been an excellent distraction from Andrew and Epstein! , I doubt very much that Meghan wanted them or her own husband to know just exactly how low her own family was and I think there is no one here who would blame her for that!!! , the whole side of that family is embarrassing!